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2014 Draft Picks

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Lost track...did the niners trade their own third?

Nope, buck missed that one. Nice when you have so many picks you leave one out. A little different than 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 :)
[ Edited by Gore_21 on Apr 28, 2013 at 8:22 AM ]
No we didn't trade our own 3rd for next year. Also we lost Goldson,Soap, and RJF but we signed Skuta,Dorsey and Dahl. We won't get any draft compensation for Soap or RJF and I'm not sure on Goldson. But at this moment the best we could get is 1 compensation pick.
Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
No we didn't trade our own 3rd for next year. Also we lost Goldson,Soap, and RJF but we signed Skuta,Dorsey and Dahl. We won't get any draft compensation for Soap or RJF and I'm not sure on Goldson. But at this moment the best we could get is 1 compensation pick.

Not true.
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Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
No we didn't trade our own 3rd for next year. Also we lost Goldson,Soap, and RJF but we signed Skuta,Dorsey and Dahl. We won't get any draft compensation for Soap or RJF and I'm not sure on Goldson. But at this moment the best we could get is 1 compensation pick.

Soap and Dorsey cancel each other out. Goldson will be a 3rd. With RJF and Delanie we will be getting something. i cant find dahl's numbers and skuta wont count.
So, at best:
1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7

And worst:
1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7

Somehow I thought there was another 3rd...?
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
So, at best:
1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7

And worst:
1, 2, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7

Somehow I thought there was another 3rd...?

The other third would have to be the Goldson comp pick. If that happens and the KC pick is a third (which it most likely will be) then the niners could find themselves with 4 third round picks next year.
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Okay, try this again.
Goldson------3rd or 4th
RJF-----------Dawson = nothing
Walker-------Dorsey = nothing
Sopoaga-----Dahl = nothing
Ginn-----------Skuta = nothing
Grant ( if signed) ---- Marlon Moore (if not cut) = nothing

Correct?

Personally I think we would cut Moore if it meant getting a 3rd or 4th

"Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Draft#Compensatory_picks
[ Edited by KID9R on Apr 28, 2013 at 8:51 AM ]
Originally posted by walker807:
The other third would have to be the Goldson comp pick. If that happens and the KC pick is a third (which it most likely will be) then the niners could find themselves with 4 third round picks next year.

Thanks!
This thread is full of people who don't understand compensation picks.
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Originally posted by redrathman:
This thread is full of people who don't understand compensation picks.


agreed
Yeah, there should be another 3rd rd pick listed...KC's, Titans and ours.
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
I've posted this many times, but this is the way comp selections work.

1) Total # of FAs lost - total # of FAs signed determines the # of comp picks. (you can see this for yourself with the FAs signed and lost and comp picks this year)

2) Contract size and PT determine round of the comp pick by matching out FAs signed to FAs lost.

3) Sometimes even if you have the same or more FAs signed as lost but what you lost was of significantly higher value, you still get a comp at the end of the 7th round.


We signed more FAs than we lost. At most we're getting 1 comp pick at the end of the 7th.


EDIT: I know people will refuse to believe me on this, but see 2013:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000151670/article/nfl-awards-32-compensatory-draft-picks-to-16-teams

FalconsLost: 4Gained: 0Comp Picks: 4Ravens:Lost: 6Gained: 2Comp Picks: 4Bengals:Lost: 5Gained: 3Comp Picks: 2Lions:Lost: 2Gained: 0Comp Picks: 2Packers:Lost: 2Gained: 1Comp Picks: 1Texans:Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Colts (see above, gained as many as they lost, but the lost was assigned at higher value than the gained by the formula, so they get 1 pick at the end of the 7th)Chiefs:Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Dolphins:Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Giants: (same as Colts above, equal number of lost gained, but loss was higher value due to formula, so they get one comp at the end of the 7th)Raiders: Lost: 4Gained: 3Comp Picks: 1 Eagles:Lost: 2Gained: 1Comp Picks: 1Steelers:Lost: 1Gained: 0Comp Picks: 1 9ers:Lost: 3Gained: 1Comp Picks: 2 + 1 at the end of the 7th for having lost better value than they gained according to the formula(if Manningham had played all year they wouldn't have gotten the bonus end of the 7th pick). Seahawks: Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Titans:Lost: 3Gained: 0Comp Picks: 3

We actually signed 4 lost 5, signed Skuta, Dahl, Dorsey, Dawson and lost Goldson, Walker, Jean Francois, Sopoaga and Ginn. So we should get a 3rd and another pick.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
I've posted this many times, but this is the way comp selections work.

1) Total # of FAs lost - total # of FAs signed determines the # of comp picks. (you can see this for yourself with the FAs signed and lost and comp picks this year)

2) Contract size and PT determine round of the comp pick by matching out FAs signed to FAs lost.

3) Sometimes even if you have the same or more FAs signed as lost but what you lost was of significantly higher value, you still get a comp at the end of the 7th round.


We signed more FAs than we lost. At most we're getting 1 comp pick at the end of the 7th.


EDIT: I know people will refuse to believe me on this, but see 2013:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000151670/article/nfl-awards-32-compensatory-draft-picks-to-16-teams

FalconsLost: 4Gained: 0Comp Picks: 4Ravens:Lost: 6Gained: 2Comp Picks: 4Bengals:Lost: 5Gained: 3Comp Picks: 2Lions:Lost: 2Gained: 0Comp Picks: 2Packers:Lost: 2Gained: 1Comp Picks: 1Texans:Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Colts (see above, gained as many as they lost, but the lost was assigned at higher value than the gained by the formula, so they get 1 pick at the end of the 7th)Chiefs:Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Dolphins:Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Giants: (same as Colts above, equal number of lost gained, but loss was higher value due to formula, so they get one comp at the end of the 7th)Raiders: Lost: 4Gained: 3Comp Picks: 1 Eagles:Lost: 2Gained: 1Comp Picks: 1Steelers:Lost: 1Gained: 0Comp Picks: 1 9ers:Lost: 3Gained: 1Comp Picks: 2 + 1 at the end of the 7th for having lost better value than they gained according to the formula(if Manningham had played all year they wouldn't have gotten the bonus end of the 7th pick). Seahawks: Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Titans:Lost: 3Gained: 0Comp Picks: 3

We actually signed 4 lost 5, signed Skuta, Dahl, Dorsey, Dawson and lost Goldson, Walker, Jean Francois, Sopoaga and Ginn. So we should get a 3rd and another pick.

3rd for Goldson and another pick for RJF or Walker? That'd be great.

I thought we'd definitely get a 3rd for Goldson, but after looking at some of the past contracts, it looks like he might be right at the cutoff for a 3rd/4th round compensatory pick, salary-wise.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
I've posted this many times, but this is the way comp selections work.

1) Total # of FAs lost - total # of FAs signed determines the # of comp picks. (you can see this for yourself with the FAs signed and lost and comp picks this year)

2) Contract size and PT determine round of the comp pick by matching out FAs signed to FAs lost.

3) Sometimes even if you have the same or more FAs signed as lost but what you lost was of significantly higher value, you still get a comp at the end of the 7th round.


We signed more FAs than we lost. At most we're getting 1 comp pick at the end of the 7th.


EDIT: I know people will refuse to believe me on this, but see 2013:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000151670/article/nfl-awards-32-compensatory-draft-picks-to-16-teams

FalconsLost: 4Gained: 0Comp Picks: 4Ravens:Lost: 6Gained: 2Comp Picks: 4Bengals:Lost: 5Gained: 3Comp Picks: 2Lions:Lost: 2Gained: 0Comp Picks: 2Packers:Lost: 2Gained: 1Comp Picks: 1Texans:Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Colts (see above, gained as many as they lost, but the lost was assigned at higher value than the gained by the formula, so they get 1 pick at the end of the 7th)Chiefs:Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Dolphins:Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Giants: (same as Colts above, equal number of lost gained, but loss was higher value due to formula, so they get one comp at the end of the 7th)Raiders: Lost: 4Gained: 3Comp Picks: 1 Eagles:Lost: 2Gained: 1Comp Picks: 1Steelers:Lost: 1Gained: 0Comp Picks: 1 9ers:Lost: 3Gained: 1Comp Picks: 2 + 1 at the end of the 7th for having lost better value than they gained according to the formula(if Manningham had played all year they wouldn't have gotten the bonus end of the 7th pick). Seahawks: Lost: 4Gained: 2Comp Picks: 2Titans:Lost: 3Gained: 0Comp Picks: 3

We actually signed 4 lost 5, signed Skuta, Dahl, Dorsey, Dawson and lost Goldson, Walker, Jean Francois, Sopoaga and Ginn. So we should get a 3rd and another pick.

Will Grant and Gooden count for us since they are also two free agents we're losing or do they have to be signed by another team?
Originally posted by KID9R:

So I think are picks could be:
1st
2nd
3rd
3rd titans
3rd KC ( could be a 2nd)
3rd Goldson (hopefully)
4th
4th RJF
5th
5th Walker
6th
7th Panthers (Colin jones)
7th

For a grand total of 13......again



I can't even begin to imagine how ridiculously loaded this team will be with another draft class like 2013. This is like a super-dynasty.