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Pat Kirwan Measures Explosiveness

Pat Kirwan .. lol

He's Pete Carroll's butt buddy, was supposedly promised to be Carroll's GM in the pros once Pete left USC, and still didn't get the job. Shows what even people close to him think of him as an evaluator.

He also said JJ Arrington would be a pro-bowler as a rookie with the Cardinals.
Bench pressing 225 isn't about explosion for a professional football player, it's about endurance. The broad jump should be weighted, since an 11 ft broad jump is more impressive than a 30 inch vertical. Lame attempt at doing something useful.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Originally posted by Jesu80ncleats:
Michael Crabtree

Bench Press: Vertical: Broad Jump: Total:

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Hahaha
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Bench pressing 225 isn't about explosion for a professional football player, it's about endurance. The broad jump should be weighted, since an 11 ft broad jump is more impressive than a 30 inch vertical. Lame attempt at doing something useful.

Agreed...not sure what the hell benching 225 over and over shows in terms of explosion. If they want to test something they should set up a sled where players can "punch" and measure the force behind it. That would be actually related to something in the game.

Can't remember the last time I saw a player benching another player on the field for reps.
I would think 10m split would be much more important than bench. And youd need a correction factor for weight
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There is another formula that measures explosion. It is the Explosive Power: (VERT+3.5*BROAD)*(WEIGHT/HEIGHT)/3000

This is a metric that was developed, as far as I know, by Tony Wiltshire, a writer for BuffaloBillsDraft.com.

The Explosive Power metric focuses on lower body strength relative to a player's physique. This metric gives you a good idea of how strong a lineman is off the snap and the amount of pure physical force he can generate out of his legs.

A value over 1.05 is elite, a value over 1.0 is excellent, and anything over 0.95 is still very good.

I tried to use this but, I could not figure which numbers to insert and I am not sure of the order of operations to be used.




Originally posted by buck:
There is another formula that measures explosion. It is the Explosive Power: (VERT+3.5*BROAD)*(WEIGHT/HEIGHT)/3000

This is a metric that was developed, as far as I know, by Tony Wiltshire, a writer for BuffaloBillsDraft.com.

The Explosive Power metric focuses on lower body strength relative to a player's physique. This metric gives you a good idea of how strong a lineman is off the snap and the amount of pure physical force he can generate out of his legs.

A value over 1.05 is elite, a value over 1.0 is excellent, and anything over 0.95 is still very good.

I tried to use this but, I could not figure which numbers to insert and I am not sure of the order of operations to be used.

Thats a much better indicator, still impossible to test upper body explosiveness and reaction times with these measurements.... sounds like something "Sports science" should take up as a project and get the combine to adopt.

That new under armour indicator some players were wearing through drills will undoubtedly be used in the future of measurements as well.
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Originally posted by 5280High:
Thats a much better indicator, still impossible to test upper body explosiveness and reaction times with these measurements.... sounds like something "Sports science" should take up as a project and get the combine to adopt.

That new under armour indicator some players were wearing through drills will undoubtedly be used in the future of measurements as well.

It sounds like you understand math.

Terron Armstead had an explosion number of 1.06

He is 6'4 3/8 and weighs 306 lbs. He had a VJ of 34.5 inches. He had a broad jump of 9'4.

The formula is Explosive Power= (VERT+3.5*BROAD)*(WEIGHT/HEIGHT)/3000

.How do you use the above numbers to get this result?

Does anyone know?
Originally posted by buck:
It sounds like you understand math.

Terron Armstead had an explosion number of 1.06

He is 6'4 3/8 and weighs 306 lbs. He had a VJ of 34.5 inches. He had a broad jump of 9'4.

The formula is Explosive Power= (VERT+3.5*BROAD)*(WEIGHT/HEIGHT)/3000

.How do you use the above numbers to get this result?

Does anyone know?
I got 1.07 but who knows where they rounded....

(34.5+ (3.5*9.4 or ~32.9)) * (306/6.4 or 47.8) = ~3222 then divide that by 3000 and you get roughly the same number 1.07.
simplified: (67.4) * (47.8) = 3222
then /3000
[ Edited by 5280High on Mar 26, 2013 at 9:12 PM ]
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Originally posted by 5280High:
Originally posted by buck:
It sounds like you understand math.

Terron Armstead had an explosion number of 1.06

He is 6'4 3/8 and weighs 306 lbs. He had a VJ of 34.5 inches. He had a broad jump of 9'4.

The formula is Explosive Power= (VERT+3.5*BROAD)*(WEIGHT/HEIGHT)/3000

.How do you use the above numbers to get this result?

Does anyone know?
I got 1.07 but who knows where they rounded....

(34.5+ (3.5*9.4 or ~32.9)) * (306/6.4 or 47.8) = ~3222 then divide that by 3000 and you get roughly the same number 1.07.
simplified: (67.4) * (47.8) = 3222
then /3000


Thank you. I put that into my excel and it works.

I think the difference is the 3/8 inch on the height. 3/8 = .375 so the height number must be 6.4375. I will try that and see what happens.

Again thank you.
Originally posted by buck:
Thank you. I put that into my excel and it works.

I think the difference is the 3/8 inch on the height. 3/8 = .375 so the height number must be 6.4375. I will try that and see what happens.

Again thank you.

No worries, I just quit my job as a CPA because I couldnt look at an excel spreadsheet anymore

The formula would be something like "=((VERT+(3.5*BROAD))*(WEIGHT/HEIGHT))/3000" you could hard code the columns (vert, broad, weight and height) with a "$" next to the cell ref then copy and paste the formula for everyone once you have their measurements in each column.
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Originally posted by 5280High:
No worries, I just quit my job as a CPA because I couldnt look at an excel spreadsheet anymore

The formula would be something like "=((VERT+(3.5*BROAD))*(WEIGHT/HEIGHT))/3000" you could hard code the columns (vert, broad, weight and height) with a "$" next to the cell ref then copy and paste the formula for everyone once you have their measurements in each column.


Thank you again.

I am a total novice with excel. Now, I will try to learn how to hard code and use the cell ref.

Winter is approaching, well in late May, June. This will give something to do when it is wet and cold.
Tavon Austin-WR/RB/KR/PR-WVU-Based on fu@kin games and years of college dominance! And based on being thee most explosive player in the draft!
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
Tavon Austin-WR/RB/KR/PR-WVU-Based on fu@kin games and years of college dominance! And based on being thee most explosive player in the draft!

So, true!!!

But, no formulas to show it. That's bad.
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Originally posted by amg1713:
Pat Kirwan .. lol

He's Pete Carroll's butt buddy, was supposedly promised to be Carroll's GM in the pros once Pete left USC, and still didn't get the job. Shows what even people close to him think of him as an evaluator.

He also said JJ Arrington would be a pro-bowler as a rookie with the Cardinals.

On a real note, FYI, they actually were dating each other (secretly) in college. But, no hanky panky... just holding hands and light kissing (no tongue action).
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