Originally posted by eonblue:
This is dumb. I GUARANTEE we don't pick either of those guys.
Well, if you GUARANTEE that Matt Miller of ESPN is dead wrong, I guess nothing else needs to be said on the subject. /thread
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Originally posted by eonblue:
This is dumb. I GUARANTEE we don't pick either of those guys.
Originally posted by eonblue:This is dumb. I GUARANTEE we don't pick either of those guys.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by buck:
There is one year of film of Jessie Williams starting at nose tackle and another year of film with him starting at 3-4 defensive end.
Notice that I didn't say he couldn't play 3-4 DE, I said I didn't see him as a 3-4 DE for the 49ers.
Originally posted by GNielsen:
I guess I don't understand why a 6'4", 320 lb. player with a non-stop motor can't play 3-4 DE.
Originally posted by GNielsen:I guess I don't understand why a 6'4", 320 lb. player with a non-stop motor can't play 3-4 DE.
Originally posted by SFL49ER:Why do you believe that? We can have both of the team wants them both. ..
Serious question.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
Why do you believe that? We can have both of the team wants them both. ..
Serious question.
Because I believe the front office is smarter than that. I don't have any idea what the FO is thinking but I GUARANTEE they're not thinking about spending the 1st two rounds on two prospects that can't make it to the passer. If they can't make it to the passer they're not playing the nickle. That means they're playing 30% of the densive snaps. I mean they can go to FA and draft a vet that could START playing 30% of the d snals on day one because neither ot these guys would.
Originally posted by eonblue:
Yes those stats are nice buy not impressive considering he was in D2 where a majority of the players stand no chance of going pro. I'm not trying to minimize his accomplishments but his competition is in no way comparable to the competition the players you compared him to faced week in and week out.
Thats his senior bowl. He got one pressure. He was easily blocked out on the double team. He was blocked out of run plays. Warford easily held him on passing downs.
Im a visual learner and there was nothing in his senior bowl game that leads me to believe he can replicate those rushing stats in the NFL. I'm not saying he doesn't have ability to be a great player but he would be very far down my board if I was picking. If he was more dynamic then I would be more inclined to agree but he's going to be playing 30% of the snaps imo and you need more value out of your early picks. Kwama geathers and Montori hughes will be theres in the 4-5 range and we could sign a cheap vet. We would be getting the same production for a cheaper price.
Originally posted by buck:Making the transition from D2 can be difficult, I will grant you that. You may be correct in your assessment of Brandon Williams. Not sure what you mean by very far down my board; that lacks precision and concreteness. To me that sounds at least below the fourth round. I have him as a solid third round pick, and quite possibly, depending on how the draft unfolds, a second round pick.
Sopoaga played around 30% of the snaps, but I think that was a result of his not being able to get sacks or collapse the pocket. If we had a nose tackle that could seriously harry the quarter back, our pass rush would improve. If Brandon Williams could do that, and I believe that he could, he would make it more difficult for the opposing team to double Justin Smith or Aldon Smith. The importance of an inside pass rush can not be denied. If B Williams can provide that inside pass rush he would play more than 30% of the snaps, i.e., his relative value would increase.
But, I will make no guarantees, I am not that intelligent.
But, you made a guarantee--a guarantee about what the SF front office was not going to do, not what you would do.
Baalke is also a visual learner. He has access to and values the game tape of a player over the career of that player more than the game tape of the Senior Bowl. For him the Senior Bowl is one small piece of information that needs to be processed.
We will see how it works out.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I like Jesse and Brandon Williams but I would not take both of them.
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by eonblue:
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
Why do you believe that? We can have both of the team wants them both. ..
Serious question.
Because I believe the front office is smarter than that. I don't have any idea what the FO is thinking but I GUARANTEE they're not thinking about spending the 1st two rounds on two prospects that can't make it to the passer. If they can't make it to the passer they're not playing the nickle. That means they're playing 30% of the densive snaps. I mean they can go to FA and draft a vet that could START playing 30% of the d snals on day one because neither ot these guys would.
You claim that Brandon Williams cannot get to the passer. (see highlighted section of your post.)
Brandon Williams made his college career living in the opponents backfield.
If there is any defensive lineman, tackle or end, in this draft that has proven he can get sacks, it is Brandon Williams.
In 42 games, he had 27 sacks, 18 quarterback hurries, and 50.5 TFL.
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Compare his disruptive function with some of the other defensive linemen in this draft class.
Kwame Short 50 games 18.5 sacks, 0 quarterback hurries, 50 TFL.
Datone Jones 51 games 12.5 sacks, 3 quarterback hurries, 36.5 TFL,
Sylvester Williams 25 games 8.5 sacks, 11 quarterback hurries, 20.5 TFL.
You might want to reconsider that guarantee you are offering. ...
Here are a few more:
Alex Okafor 52 games 23 sacks, 29 quarterback hurries, 34 TFL
Damontre Moore 38 games 26.5 sacks, 13 quarterback hurries, 45 TFL
Jarvis Jones 26 games 28 sacks, 10 quarterback hurries, 44 TFL
Technically Jones is an OLB, but he might play DE in the NFL
Brandon Williams is among the best in this draft class at getting sacks.
Originally posted by eonblue:
I was kind of hoping we would get a good WR in this deep class. Or maybe Datone Jones with the first pick. We really need some CB depth to fall back on because that position seems uncertain. Eifert or Ertz are tempting options considering we need a tall RZ threat for Kaep. But I guess two NT that look incapable of rushing the passer against novice competition are equatable. I'm sure the FO will see the value in that with our picks in the first two rounds.