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Idaho's Last Mock, trades included.

I don't understand this place sometimes. Nobody wants free agents..ok, nobody wants to keep our guys....ok going to be tough without a few free agents, but you can do it with a group of good high round picks. Now you all want to trade down in the draft and even trade into next year. So we're going to start a bunch of late rounders ?
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I don't understand this place sometimes. Nobody wants free agents..ok, nobody wants to keep our guys....ok going to be tough without a few free agents, but you can do it with a group of good high round picks. Now you all want to trade down in the draft and even trade into next year. So we're going to start a bunch of late rounders ?

I think this team needs players this year, and they need to maximize the amount they get between Round 2-4, where the true depth of this draft is at. The 49ers aren't looking for many starters, the primary areas I see where rookies could step in as starters are FS, WR and NT. However its entirely possible that Trent Robinson is a real possibility to start at FS and a rookie would be drafted to develop and eventually take over for Whitner. Additionally they could bring in a low-cost veteran to share time with a rookie at NT and at WR, you've got veterans in Crabtree and Williams, as well as a hopefully developing Jenkins, but its clear they need more in that regard.


Its also clear that their won't be any big money free agents coming in. I feel like anyone that will be signed is going to end up on a 1-2 year contract at best. The money just isn't there, it simply isn't and they're going to need every single dollar to re-sign all their own major free agents over the next two seasons.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Mar 3, 2013 at 3:17 PM ]
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Originally posted by bigwads:
Two safeties? Two rookies in the backfield? Do you have us keeping Whitner or releasing him? I think you can take Jesse Williams with your second 2nd rounder after he didn't test at the combine and only repped 225 30 times. With his short arms he needed to have 40 reps. Still a great 3-4 DE prospect, but I think his stocked drops 10-15 slots.

This draft prepares us if Goldson walks. I think Whitner will play out his contract and we'll have someone ready to step in a strong safety in 2014. I like the tactic of trading back for an extra second rounder. The way this draft is set up, we could have 5-6 future starters coming out of this 2013 class. My only issues are that we didn't draft a kicker and if we are going to get a returner/speedy receiver type, I'd rather go with Tavon Austin with either pick 31 or 34 than draft a guy who most likely will only be a returner specialist and wouldn't contribute nearly as much to our passing offense.

I know there is alot of dislike for Sanders around here, but i dont get it TBH. IMO the guy will be good in the NFL.

I dont really care about what he runs for 40 time. His vision is second to non in this draft, he has break your ankle lateral movment, and he simply makes people miss. He also plays more physical than his frame would imply that he can, and he is not very easy to bring down, real shifty, keeps his legs pumping.

In the 5th he could be one of the steals of the draft IMO.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I don't understand this place sometimes. Nobody wants free agents..ok, nobody wants to keep our guys....ok going to be tough without a few free agents, but you can do it with a group of good high round picks. Now you all want to trade down in the draft and even trade into next year. So we're going to start a bunch of late rounders ?

I think this team needs players this year, and they need to maximize the amount they get between Round 2-4, where the true depth of this draft is at. The 49ers aren't looking for many starters, the primary areas I see where rookies could step in as starters are FS, WR and NT. However its entirely possible that Trent Robinson is a real possibility to start at FS and a rookie would be drafted to develop and eventually take over for Whitner. Additionally they could bring in a low-cost veteran to share time with a rookie at NT and at WR, you've got veterans in Crabtree and Williams, as well as a hopefully developing Jenkins, but its clear they need more in that regard.


Its also clear that their won't be any big money free agents coming in. I feel like anyone that will be signed is going to end up on a 1-2 year contract at best. The money just isn't there, it simply isn't and they're going to need every single dollar to re-sign all their own major free agents over the next two seasons.

They will take the same approach they took in FA last year. Bring in ageing vets on 1-2 year contracts on the cheap while the young talent develops.
Originally posted by bigwads:
Two safeties? Two rookies in the backfield? Do you have us keeping Whitner or releasing him? I think you can take Jesse Williams with your second 2nd rounder after he didn't test at the combine and only repped 225 30 times. With his short arms he needed to have 40 reps. Still a great 3-4 DE prospect, but I think his stocked drops 10-15 slots.

Do you see williams as a DE?

I see him as a NT, that could play both spots in certain packages, or in a pinch.

I like him. I know alot has been made of his face tattos, but i dont care about that. He is from australia, and has tribal backround, so in his culture its just differant and not a big deal. By all accounts he has great character and a solid head on his shoulder. He also is pretty new to football, playing rugby i think when he was younger, so IMO, there is still alot of room to teach more solid fundamentals. He gets alot of push and penatration, but when he gets into the pocket, he lacks the technique and instincts to do much with it. The techniques could be tought, especially with a guy like Tomsula as coach, and the instincts will come with more experiance. I like the kid alot.

I like Lavar Edwards potential as a possible replacment for Cowboy, and a good rotational guy to help keep him fresh. He has alot of potential for development iMO. Though if Gholston fell some, hich he may i wouldnt be opposed to takeing him either.in rounds 4-5.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Depending on how they view Trenton Robinson, I don't mind 2 safeties: one for this year, and Wilcox to replace whitner when his contract is up.

Need a kicker, though, and I hat spending our highest pick on a DL that can't rush the passer. I don't like Ace Sanders at all.

Even If Robinson works out, we would be extremely thin at S if Goldson walks, and whitner can definately be upgraded, though i would keep him this next season while we develope the youth.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Depending on how they view Trenton Robinson, I don't mind 2 safeties: one for this year, and Wilcox to replace whitner when his contract is up.

Need a kicker, though, and I hat spending our highest pick on a DL that can't rush the passer. I don't like Ace Sanders at all.

Even If Robinson works out, we would be extremely thin at S if Goldson walks, and whitner can definately be upgraded, though i would keep him this next season while we develope the youth.

I was supporting you for drafting 2 safeties, but questioning the absence of a kicker and the choice of Jessie Williams (I think DL that strictly function as run-stoppers should not go in the 1st round or early 2nd in this current NFL).
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Depending on how they view Trenton Robinson, I don't mind 2 safeties: one for this year, and Wilcox to replace whitner when his contract is up.

Need a kicker, though, and I hat spending our highest pick on a DL that can't rush the passer. I don't like Ace Sanders at all.

Even If Robinson works out, we would be extremely thin at S if Goldson walks, and whitner can definately be upgraded, though i would keep him this next season while we develope the youth.

I was supporting you for drafting 2 safeties, but questioning the absence of a kicker and the choice of Jessie Williams (I think DL that strictly function as run-stoppers should not go in the 1st round or early 2nd in this current NFL).

Oh i understand. I was agreeing ith you as well. I think S is a huge need.

Williams is one of the those guys that you either love or hate. I think he still has alot of developmental upside and could become a damn good NT in the NFL. Alot of people will disagree with me. I went into more dpeth as to why i like williams and sanders in a couple posts above.

I also agree we need a kicker, and will likely draft one. I had kickers drafted in all my previous mocks, and with this one i was more focusing on potential movments and prospects targeted with those movments. I still think ultimately we do draft a K, i just didnt with this particular draft.

There is also a possibility of brining in some UDFA K and letting them battle it out for a spot.
[ Edited by IdahoNiner on Mar 3, 2013 at 7:07 PM ]
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I don't understand this place sometimes. Nobody wants free agents..ok, nobody wants to keep our guys....ok going to be tough without a few free agents, but you can do it with a group of good high round picks. Now you all want to trade down in the draft and even trade into next year. So we're going to start a bunch of late rounders ?

I think this team needs players this year, and they need to maximize the amount they get between Round 2-4, where the true depth of this draft is at. The 49ers aren't looking for many starters, the primary areas I see where rookies could step in as starters are FS, WR and NT. However its entirely possible that Trent Robinson is a real possibility to start at FS and a rookie would be drafted to develop and eventually take over for Whitner. Additionally they could bring in a low-cost veteran to share time with a rookie at NT and at WR, you've got veterans in Crabtree and Williams, as well as a hopefully developing Jenkins, but its clear they need more in that regard.


Its also clear that their won't be any big money free agents coming in. I feel like anyone that will be signed is going to end up on a 1-2 year contract at best. The money just isn't there, it simply isn't and they're going to need every single dollar to re-sign all their own major free agents over the next two seasons.

They will take the same approach they took in FA last year. Bring in ageing vets on 1-2 year contracts on the cheap while the young talent develops.
Hey I am down with not bringing in big free agents or overpaying some guys we already have here....its the trading into next year or giving up second and thirds to drop back that I think is a bridge to far. We should be packaging those late picks with our current early rounders to move up...not back. We could need aas many as 4 starters this year with around 4 future starters in waiting. Thats 8 guys that we will need to have make the team if we let go all the guys some suggest and bring nobody in to fill holes before the draft. If you want quality at those positions you will need those 15 picks to move up...not slide back or worse punt into next year.
Trade all 15 picks and 8 picks next year for 4 1sts and a 2 2nds next year.

Sorted. We'll do poor next year but the year after and year after BOOM
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I don't understand this place sometimes. Nobody wants free agents..ok, nobody wants to keep our guys....ok going to be tough without a few free agents, but you can do it with a group of good high round picks. Now you all want to trade down in the draft and even trade into next year. So we're going to start a bunch of late rounders ?

I think this team needs players this year, and they need to maximize the amount they get between Round 2-4, where the true depth of this draft is at. The 49ers aren't looking for many starters, the primary areas I see where rookies could step in as starters are FS, WR and NT. However its entirely possible that Trent Robinson is a real possibility to start at FS and a rookie would be drafted to develop and eventually take over for Whitner. Additionally they could bring in a low-cost veteran to share time with a rookie at NT and at WR, you've got veterans in Crabtree and Williams, as well as a hopefully developing Jenkins, but its clear they need more in that regard.


Its also clear that their won't be any big money free agents coming in. I feel like anyone that will be signed is going to end up on a 1-2 year contract at best. The money just isn't there, it simply isn't and they're going to need every single dollar to re-sign all their own major free agents over the next two seasons.

They will take the same approach they took in FA last year. Bring in ageing vets on 1-2 year contracts on the cheap while the young talent develops.
Hey I am down with not bringing in big free agents or overpaying some guys we already have here....its the trading into next year or giving up second and thirds to drop back that I think is a bridge to far. We should be packaging those late picks with our current early rounders to move up...not back. We could need aas many as 4 starters this year with around 4 future starters in waiting. Thats 8 guys that we will need to have make the team if we let go all the guys some suggest and bring nobody in to fill holes before the draft. If you want quality at those positions you will need those 15 picks to move up...not slide back or worse punt into next year.

I agree, i would look to stack as many picks in to round 2-4 as possible, then move into next year with our later round picks, stacking up picks for next season, which is what i did ith this mock.
[ Edited by IdahoNiner on Mar 4, 2013 at 4:38 PM ]
I'd substitute Sylvester Williams for Jesse...like Jesse, he can play inside or out, but he's cat-quick. I'd also substitute Logan Ryan for Alford. Like the rest of your picks, although I'm sure you're hearing cautionary words WRT Lattimore. If he can get totally healthy, he could be a real steal. Trouble is, that might not be 'til the 2014 season. Besides a K, also didn't see a QB, which will likely be on TB's list now that he's traded Alex. Tolzien's just not a pistol/read-option kind of QB.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I'd substitute Sylvester Williams for Jesse...like Jesse, he can play inside or out, but he's cat-quick. I'd also substitute Logan Ryan for Alford. Like the rest of your picks, although I'm sure you're hearing cautionary words WRT Lattimore. If he can get totally healthy, he could be a real steal. Trouble is, that might not be 'til the 2014 season. Besides a K, also didn't see a QB, which will likely be on TB's list now that he's traded Alex. Tolzien's just not a pistol/read-option kind of QB.

I would take Alford over Ryan in a heart beat. Not really high on sylvester either.

I do like Knile Davis alot at RB.

Tolzien is and ill be the backup IMO. I dont see a need to upgrade, and it is my beleif that neither does the coaching staff. This offenses strengths is its versitility. It can function in all sorts of differant ways.
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
This is my last mock draft. Changing it up slightly, although I was happy with my last mock. After predicting the AS for a second to KC trade successfully, Im predicting a trade out of the first round. Along with a couple other trades.


Notable Trades
-Alex Smith for KC second round pick.
-Trade with Jets for 49ers 1st round pick and two 6th round picks, 49ers gets jets 2nd round, and 3rd round Picks (Jets need to jump AZ and Philly to get their QB)
-Trade two third rounders for mid second pick
-Trade two 7th rounders for future 2014 pics.



Second Round- Trade with KC for AS
Jesse Williams- DT- Alabama- 6-3, 325, rJR

Second Round- Trade with Jets
Phillip Thomas- Fresno State- S- 6-1, 215, rSR

second round- trade for two thirds(Carolina, own)
Da' Rick Rogers- WR- Tennessee Tech- 6-3, 217, JR

Second round:Own pick
Robert Alford- CB- Southeastern Louisiana- 5-11, 185, rSR

Third Round- Jets
JJ Wilcox- SS- Georgia Southern- 5-11, 214, Sr

Fourth round:Own pick
Marcus Lattimore-RB- South Carolina- 6-0, 220, JR

Fourth Round- Likely comp
Lavar Edwards- DE- LSU- rSR- 6-4, 280

Fifth round:From Indianapolis in trade-back during 2012 draft
Ace Sanders- WR- South Carolina- 5-7, 173 Jr

Fifth round- own
Mark Harrison- Rutgers-WR- 6-3, 234

Seventh round: Likely compensatory selection
Travis Long- OLB- Washington State- 6-4, 245, Sr

Seventh round: Likely compensatory selection
Mark Jackson- OT- Glenville State- 6-6, 335, rSR



Possible UDFA Targets
Ben Obaseki, DE, Indiana State, 6-2, 260 SR
Luke Tasker- Cornell- WR- 5-11, 190, SR
Gary Walker- Idaho- S- 6-0, 200 SR.
Willie Jefferson-DE-Stephen F. Austin- 6-6, 230, SR
Brandon Kaufman – WR- Eastern Washington- 6-4, 214 -rJR
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