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Curious why you seem so low on Johnathan Hankins?

Also I don't get the hype about Matt Glennon at all. Dude has a 58.5% completion rate and has thrown 17 interceptions. Also, Tyler Wilson seems a bit low imo.
Pretty Impressive list Sundevil. The one thing that stood out to me was Ogletree at ILB- he should be second on that list. He is the sleeper of the first round, whoever takes him is getting a stud middle linebacker.
Originally posted by D-Money:
Pretty Impressive list Sundevil. The one thing that stood out to me was Ogletree at ILB- he should be second on that list. He is the sleeper of the first round, whoever takes him is getting a stud middle linebacker.

Yeah I'll probably move him up, especially that he announced. Its an initial list, this stuff takes a ton of time and ILB was the last group I did before posting.
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Curious why you seem so low on Johnathan Hankins?

Also I don't get the hype about Matt Glennon at all. Dude has a 58.5% completion rate and has thrown 17 interceptions. Also, Tyler Wilson seems a bit low imo.

-Not really "so low" on Hankins. I have him as the #3 NT, Lotulelei will be a top 10 selection IMO. Jesse Williams and Hankins are mid 1st rounders. Hankins could slip to late 1st, based on the teams drafting. I just don't think he projects as well as a 4-3 DT. I think a 4-3 team would give him a 2nd round grade. IMO he shows very little ability when it comes to lateral quickness and struggles to generate penetration, with no pass rush to speak of. I know he played multiple spots in college but in the NFL I think he is more of a one-dimensional type player. I think he projects far better as a guy to eat up a double team and control the point of attack.

-Glennon - Reason people are high on his is he has cannon for an arm with a lightning release. He probably has the best arm of any QB in the draft. He does have a low completion percentage for a high draft pick, but he isn't entirely to blame for that. His O-Line struggled greatly during the year and his receivers weren't very good. He will have a much better chance to show his potential when he lines up with more talented players at the senior bowl.

-Tyler Wilson - I think he has very sloppy mechanics and is a bit of a project at QB. He is going to take time to clean up his technique and transition from his Arkansas offense to an NFL offense. Physically he isn't an elite prospect by any means. And he actually had a sub par year. I think his receivers have helped him quite a bit over the years look better than he is (3 4th round WRs last year and Hamilton this year). With that kind of supporting cast, his production is pretty underwhelming.
You don't see Sam Montgomery as a potential 3-4 OLB in the mold of Aldon Smith? I see very similar height/weight/speed pass rushers with long arms, solid-but-not-elite athleticism and excellent power. Neither stood up all that much in college, but Aldon has adapted pretty well (understatement of the year)...I just see a lot of similarities there.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
You don't see Sam Montgomery as a potential 3-4 OLB in the mold of Aldon Smith? I see very similar height/weight/speed pass rushers with long arms, solid-but-not-elite athleticism and excellent power. Neither stood up all that much in college, but Aldon has adapted pretty well (understatement of the year)...I just see a lot of similarities there.

He could be. But keep in mind what Aldon Smith did is incredibly rare for making his transition. Pre-Draft I would have projected Aldon Smith as a defensive end as well, and even though I loved the pick because I was a huge fan of him, I thought it would take 2-3 years to learn the linebacker position. And I think my projection of time for him to learn the position is accurate. But Aldon has earned his playing time with his uncanny ability to pass rush from virtually anywhere, thats pretty rare.

I'm a big fan of Sam Montgomery as well. But I see him more of a bull rusher and I think he is still raw in terms of how he pass rushes as he is a bit of a one trick pony with how he engages the lineman. One way he does remind of Aldon though is with the long arms and ability to overpower guys, use leverage, lock those long arms and beat up the tackles. Prettty impressive for a 260 pounder.

So I would say Sam Montgomery can make the transition but it would take him 2-3 years to learn OLB adn he wouldn't be makign the impact that Aldon Smith did., probably more like a 5-7 sack rookie season. With that in mind I don't think he is a top 10 value pick at OLB. If Aldon couldn't step in and make the crazy impact with situational pass rushing, he would have hardly seen the field which IMO is what would happen to Montgomery at OLB.

At DE I think he can make an immediate impact and is top 10 value. I think the demand at DE will be way more than putting him at OLB. But then again maybe Aldon's success makes it happen for Montgomery?
Hey guys long time reader first time poster. Sundevil I noticed you had both Leon Mcfadden and Travis Johnson in both top tens from their repsective postions, you think these guys both make the small(er) school transition to the pros? I happen to like both as 3rd and 5th round talents respectively. Both seem to do things very well for their position ball hawk and pressure the QB.
Originally posted by Niner79:
Hey guys long time reader first time poster. Sundevil I noticed you had both Leon Mcfadden and Travis Johnson in both top tens from their repsective postions, you think these guys both make the small(er) school transition to the pros? I happen to like both as 3rd and 5th round talents respectively. Both seem to do things very well for their position ball hawk and pressure the QB.

I think Leon McFadden could go as early as the 2nd or in the 3rd. McFadden is a terrific athlete, one of the most athletic CBs in this years draft. I expect him to time pretty well in the 40. I'm pretty confident McFadden can make the transition, he will be in the Senior Bowl so we will see how he does against better competition.

Travis Johnson - He is an underdog and a late rounder of UDFA. I have him at #10 because the OLB position is weak this year, but he could slide some more as I go over more prospects. He lacks the explosiveness, quickness and pass rushing moves you would want. His produciton though is from a very high motor who consistently stays in the play tracking the ball and not giving up on plays. I think he may be training camp fodder.
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
You don't see Sam Montgomery as a potential 3-4 OLB in the mold of Aldon Smith? I see very similar height/weight/speed pass rushers with long arms, solid-but-not-elite athleticism and excellent power. Neither stood up all that much in college, but Aldon has adapted pretty well (understatement of the year)...I just see a lot of similarities there.

He could be. But keep in mind what Aldon Smith did is incredibly rare for making his transition. Pre-Draft I would have projected Aldon Smith as a defensive end as well, and even though I loved the pick because I was a huge fan of him, I thought it would take 2-3 years to learn the linebacker position. And I think my projection of time for him to learn the position is accurate. But Aldon has earned his playing time with his uncanny ability to pass rush from virtually anywhere, thats pretty rare.

I'm a big fan of Sam Montgomery as well. But I see him more of a bull rusher and I think he is still raw in terms of how he pass rushes as he is a bit of a one trick pony with how he engages the lineman. One way he does remind of Aldon though is with the long arms and ability to overpower guys, use leverage, lock those long arms and beat up the tackles. Prettty impressive for a 260 pounder.

So I would say Sam Montgomery can make the transition but it would take him 2-3 years to learn OLB adn he wouldn't be makign the impact that Aldon Smith did., probably more like a 5-7 sack rookie season. With that in mind I don't think he is a top 10 value pick at OLB. If Aldon couldn't step in and make the crazy impact with situational pass rushing, he would have hardly seen the field which IMO is what would happen to Montgomery at OLB.

At DE I think he can make an immediate impact and is top 10 value. I think the demand at DE will be way more than putting him at OLB. But then again maybe Aldon's success makes it happen for Montgomery?

I'm with you in that I thought Aldon would be an incredible 4-3 DE in the mold of a young Justin Tuck (DE with the ability to rush inside as a DT on passing downs) and didn't see him at all as an OLB. But I think some smart defensive coordinator will see the Aldon Smith (and to a lesser extent, Chandler Jones) similarities and turn him into a 3-4 backer. Plus, I hear/read Montgomery is closer to 250 than he is 260-265, so that might factor in for some teams as well.
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It looks like you forgot free and strong safeties.
Keep an eye on Southern Utah QB Brad Sorensen. I have him as the number three QB on my board, after Smith and Manuel. He is going to be a major riser soon, in my opinion.
Updated, has safeties now.

Have not factored in senior bowl, will wait until after its played then update again.
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Wow, you really think Vaccarro is the 4th best FS? He's the best all around S in the draft, Duane Akina's track record is damn good too.
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Do you really like T.J. McDonald? From what I've seen he looks like a slightly better player than Taylor Mays.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Wow, you really think Vaccarro is the 4th best FS? He's the best all around S in the draft, Duane Akina's track record is damn good too.

He likely will be one of the earlier safeties drafted, but IMO he is over rated. He is a fiesty player with a lot of speed, not afraid to mix it up with blockers. But I don't like his zone coverage, he is better with man coverage. I think he shows low football IQ, agressiveness often misused and takes him out of the play. Poor technique on tackling, often looking for the big hit rather then wrapping up. I'm curious how well he would do playing as corner.

Originally posted by DVDA:
Do you really like T.J. McDonald? From what I've seen he looks like a slightly better player than Taylor Mays.

They are completely different players.
I think Vance McDonald deserves to be somewhere in the top 10 list of TEs.