My offseason priorities, agenda, and positions to address due to roster concerns

Dude, I think you mean David Akers?

Originally posted by PTulini:
Dude, I think you mean David Akers?

fixed thank you... sorry, worked so long on it. cant believe i missed that with as much work as i put into it hoping to provide a good read

Goodwin isnt a free agent (signed a 3 year deal so 1 more year). Still he makes like 5 next year and we can save 4.5 by cutting him so unless he restructures I could see us moving on with Kilgore or a draft pick. We don't have much cap space so don't expect any outside free agents. Maybe one or 2 small money ST or role players. We will concentrate on getting our own guys back.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
Goodwin isnt a free agent (signed a 3 year deal so 1 more year). Still he makes like 5 next year and we can save 4.5 by cutting him so unless he restructures I could see us moving on with Kilgore or a draft pick. We don't have much cap space so don't expect any outside free agents. Maybe one or 2 small money ST or role players. We will concentrate on getting our own guys back.

slight typo, meant to say isn't. thank you. I agree. We need some young talent that will contribute on special teams at a high level

CB - Tarell Brown will be a free agent after the 2013 season. He's been with us for awhile and has played on very very small deals (rookie deal and then 5yr, 8 mil). He will probably be looking for a pay day. Carlos is older and slowing but still solid. We might have to cut him in a few years due to his big contract. You can never have too many good cover corners so I think we need one within the 1st 3 rounds. Bump Cox from 4 to 5, get rid of Brock and make the whole group better.

OLB - Haralson will probably be back because if they didn't want him back we could have reached an injury settlement and he could have been cut. Still not sure what we will get from him and Fleming (coming off an acl). Might need to draft some depth.

DL - Tukuafu and Dobbs were nice finds and can hold in the run game but I think we need to draft a DL in the 1st (if goldson re-signs/gets tagged). Someone to replace Justin down the road and compete with Ray and backup both guys/give them breathers. We have guys who can hold their own but we need a pass rusher. Tukuafu and/or Dobbs could be gone after this year. Ian Williams could be gone as well or could end up the NT backup. If Sopoaga wants too much we can't re-sign him. It's either RJF (if re-signed), Williams or a draft pick. If Sopoaga and RJF re-sign then RJF should be NT backup/3rd or 4th DE.

ST - Dixon needs to be replaced with a power running back/ST player. Jacobs will be gone so we will need a power back behind Gore, Hunter and James. He's got great energy out there but he hasn't done much. McBath and Brock could be upgraded. Gooden and Grant are both FAs so expect one or maybe both to be gone. Ginn is afraid to get hit and is a good PR but that is it. He is being weeded out of the offense and he takes up a spot at WR that could be given to a better WR.

OL - You know my thoughts on goodwin (stated a few posts above). Will need to draft a 3rd tackle or sign someone. This way we don't have to shuffle the OL around if someone gets hurt although it is an option. Leonard Davis will be gone and replaced by Looney. Could use a versatile guy in the draft who can backup C and G.

WR - I agree we need a big tall physical guy to go with our quick guys. Doubt Randy is back. Ginn as well. I go with... Crabtree, Manningham, Jenkins, big tall physical wr, Kyle Williams.

FS - At the very least I tag Goldson. We have find room for his 7.5 mil (extra 1.25 compared to this year). If not we draft someone in the 1st. Still odds are very slim that player would come in and have Goldson's presence. Still, no way I let him go... maybe after tagging him and then him wanting 40 mil after next year with him being 30 years old. And also not sure about Robinson and Spillman. Might need a backup for both S spots.

K - I think Akers bounces back but if he does bad the rest of the season we might have to move on with him making 3 mil.

TE - I think we need to let Delanie go. He's a jack of all trades but I think we need more of a pass catching big tall TE who can still block. We need playmakers.

Bottom line is I think we need more playmakers on offense and defense. Guys who can rush the passer. Guys on offense who can catch balls and get 1st downs and tds. ST has to get upgraded... should be a lot of new blood next year. More depth all around and the coaches should start rotating the DL a bit. Don't worry about outside FAs for the most part; just get back our own FAs that we want.

One, good thread OP, will read fully in a second. I do believe we may purge some contracts, Goodwin and Haralson's need to be done, restructure or cut.

Originally posted by Gore_21:
CB - Tarell Brown will be a free agent after the 2013 season. He's been with us for awhile and has played on very very small deals (rookie deal and then 5yr, 8 mil). He will probably be looking for a pay day. Carlos is older and slowing but still solid. We might have to cut him in a few years due to his big contract. You can never have too many good cover corners so I think we need one within the 1st 3 rounds. Bump Cox from 4 to 5, get rid of Brock and make the whole group better.

OLB - Haralson will probably be back because if they didn't want him back we could have reached an injury settlement and he could have been cut. Still not sure what we will get from him and Fleming (coming off an acl). Might need to draft some depth.

DL - Tukuafu and Dobbs were nice finds and can hold in the run game but I think we need to draft a DL in the 1st (if goldson re-signs/gets tagged). Someone to replace Justin down the road and compete with Ray and backup both guys/give them breathers. We have guys who can hold their own but we need a pass rusher. Tukuafu and/or Dobbs could be gone after this year. Ian Williams could be gone as well or could end up the NT backup. If Sopoaga wants too much we can't re-sign him. It's either RJF (if re-signed), Williams or a draft pick. If Sopoaga and RJF re-sign then RJF should be NT backup/3rd or 4th DE.

ST - Dixon needs to be replaced with a power running back/ST player. Jacobs will be gone so we will need a power back behind Gore, Hunter and James. He's got great energy out there but he hasn't done much. McBath and Brock could be upgraded. Gooden and Grant are both FAs so expect one or maybe both to be gone. Ginn is afraid to get hit and is a good PR but that is it. He is being weeded out of the offense and he takes up a spot at WR that could be given to a better WR.

OL - You know my thoughts on goodwin (stated a few posts above). Will need to draft a 3rd tackle or sign someone. This way we don't have to shuffle the OL around if someone gets hurt although it is an option. Leonard Davis will be gone and replaced by Looney. Could use a versatile guy in the draft who can backup C and G.

WR - I agree we need a big tall physical guy to go with our quick guys. Doubt Randy is back. Ginn as well. I go with... Crabtree, Manningham, Jenkins, big tall physical wr, Kyle Williams.

FS - At the very least I tag Goldson. We have find room for his 7.5 mil (extra 1.25 compared to this year). If not we draft someone in the 1st. Still odds are very slim that player would come in and have Goldson's presence. Still, no way I let him go... maybe after tagging him and then him wanting 40 mil after next year with him being 30 years old. And also not sure about Robinson and Spillman. Might need a backup for both S spots.

K - I think Akers bounces back but if he does bad the rest of the season we might have to move on with him making 3 mil.

TE - I think we need to let Delanie go. He's a jack of all trades but I think we need more of a pass catching big tall TE who can still block. We need playmakers.

Bottom line is I think we need more playmakers on offense and defense. Guys who can rush the passer. Guys on offense who can catch balls and get 1st downs and tds. ST has to get upgraded... should be a lot of new blood next year. More depth all around and the coaches should start rotating the DL a bit. Don't worry about outside FAs for the most part; just get back our own FAs that we want.

Brown is gonna want a good sized pay day. I can see him easily getting 3.5M a year on the open market. I think once the offseason hits, we should extend him. I think Rogers is here for 2013, but 2014 and 2015 not so likely. His deal is so F'd up.

Originally posted by AB83Rules:
One, good thread OP, will read fully in a second. I do believe we may purge some contracts, Goodwin and Haralson's need to be done, restructure or cut.


Brown is gonna want a good sized pay day. I can see him easily getting 3.5M a year on the open market. I think once the offseason hits, we should extend him. I think Rogers is here for 2013, but 2014 and 2015 not so likely. His deal is so F'd up.

Yeah, I could see Rogers gone the last year if not the last 2. Agreed about Brown. I think he wants to be here but he's been starting since 08 (?) and played in 9 games his rookie year (07) yet if he plays out his contract he would be at like 10-12 mil for 7 years. Way way below what a solid starting CB should be getting. Not sure how much buzz he will get because he isn't too big of an int guy but there should be interest. This season and next is a long ways away but if he is playing like he is now we could be interested in bringing him back. He will be 30 by then though so maybe not. Definitely need to think about drafting a CB these next few years and have a replacement for Rogers and Brown. Culliver is one.

i hadnt even thought of Brown at the time I wrote this. We may wind up in a dilema where we have to choose him or Goldson. Espwcially if he does wel in playoffs.

Originally posted by NTeply49:
i hadnt even thought of Brown at the time I wrote this. We may wind up in a dilema where we have to choose him or Goldson. Espwcially if he does wel in playoffs.

Yeah, if we tag Goldson this year he and Brown would be free agents after next season. Brown would want a lot less but isn't as good of a player. He's pretty solid though. Both will be 30 by then. Also, if not extended this offseason Justin Smith, Bowman and Whitner would all be free agents as well. Will be some tough decisions. Might have to move on from some really good players. So basically enjoy it while it lasts and hope we can make a superbowl run these next 2 years. After that we move into the new stadium and there will be a lot of new faces. Not saying our window will close because we are capable of reloading but now seems like our best chance. It's in our best interest to have guys ready to replace these great players for us. No room for mistakes in re-signing our own free agents and then the draft. With a 1, 2, 3 (early from carolina) and 3 we have to hit and get some solid backups and future starters.

Edit: AB, how much of a hit would we take if Rogers is cut before those last 2 years? Can't see us paying him like 14 mil (that's base, does he have bonuses?). I'd gladly use that money on Bowman, Whitner, Brown or extending AD, Iupati, etc over keeping Rogers. Not saying he isn't solid but maybe we get a draft pick to replace him at #3 CB which he will probably be next season.

Good post NTeply49.

I thoroughly disagree on your assessment of Brooks.

I think he's been playing better and better every week. Could you please be specific in that regard, I may not see what you do?

IMO, although we are only half-way through, Ray Mac is hot and cold and nearly getting the pressure he did last season. I don't know if he's dinged up or what. The lack of DLine pressure is opening up opportunities for the opposition. I think are A-1 priority is a DE similar to Justin. I know easier said than done.

Whittner look slow and old in the Rams game. As the in-house experts here in the Zone have said, this year should be rich in Safeties, so we should make our move.

I think Rogers is WAYYYYY over-rated, he may have been the best we could have signed but I don't feel he's worth the $. Brown is another guy who seems to be getting better all the time.

Agree on Delaine and a WR, we need a big guy who can fly. Who? I have no idea.

Thanks again.

Originally posted by Gore_21:

Originally posted by NTeply49:
i hadnt even thought of Brown at the time I wrote this. We may wind up in a dilema where we have to choose him or Goldson. Espwcially if he does wel in playoffs.

Yeah, if we tag Goldson this year he and Brown would be free agents after next season. Brown would want a lot less but isn't as good of a player. He's pretty solid though. Both will be 30 by then. Also, if not extended this offseason Justin Smith, Bowman and Whitner would all be free agents as well. Will be some tough decisions. Might have to move on from some really good players. So basically enjoy it while it lasts and hope we can make a superbowl run these next 2 years. After that we move into the new stadium and there will be a lot of new faces. Not saying our window will close because we are capable of reloading but now seems like our best chance. It's in our best interest to have guys ready to replace these great players for us. No room for mistakes in re-signing our own free agents and then the draft. With a 1, 2, 3 (early from carolina) and 3 we have to hit and get some solid backups and future starters.

Edit: AB, how much of a hit would we take if Rogers is cut before those last 2 years? Can't see us paying him like 14 mil (that's base, does he have bonuses?). I'd gladly use that money on Bowman, Whitner, Brown or extending AD, Iupati, etc over keeping Rogers. Not saying he isn't solid but maybe we get a draft pick to replace him at #3 CB which he will probably be next season.

It would best to cut him after 2013,. he has 1.7m of his 5.5m base in 2013 already guaranteed, and his fully base becomes guaranteed on april 1st 2013. We would only save 400K to use if able to designate for june 1st, where we can spread the proration over 2 seasons. If not it makes no sense to cut him, 400k isn't gonna help us.

Now if cut after 2013 we would save a ton of money, his proration would be $1.25m in 2014 and 2015 with june 1 cut. Also his workout and roster bonuses go away, meaning more savings. But if we can cut him this offseason and allowed for june 1 designation, than we would save over 4m, and take a 1.25m in dead money in 2013 and 2.5m in 2014, but save over 4m in 2014. And his 2015 salary is all saved. But if designated the money wont be available until june 1st, since he will still be considered a top 51 salaries player.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Good post NTeply49.

I thoroughly disagree on your assessment of Brooks.

I think he's been playing better and better every week. Could you please be specific in that regard, I may not see what you do?

He gets a lot of stupid penalties. At least one a game. If I had to put all my money on who our next player to get flagged for off sides would be, I'd put it on Brooks. Fortunately, he normally follows a mental mistake up by blowing a play up in the back field. He flashes talent, but he's not consistently dominate. Not saying we have to replace him, but he his one of the higher earners on our team.

The OLB position in general is something we need to address this off season due to lack of depth.

Goldson makes VERY stupid penalties too.

Personally, I see Brooks as one of the VERY bright spots on our talented D.

Fortunately, we'll have the rest of the season to see how they do.

Yeah, we don't know what is said behind closed doors but I'm not so sure Harbaugh is tough enough on guys like Goldson. How many stupid 15 yard penalties will the guy get before they put their foot down? You guys know I want us to tag Goldson after this year so it's not just someone hating. Enough is enough. Same with Brooks and jumping offsides; he's been doing it for 3-4 years consistently. You would think the coaches would talk to him and work on it. Same with him stopping after he jumps offsides and letting them have a free play while standing there. You would think in 4 years 1 coach would say Ahmad when you jump offsides if you can't get back just go after the Qb. They will blow it dead if you are about to hit him. Also, Whitner, Brooks and some other guys should spend extra time this offseason working on catching balls. They could probably do it now if they wanted. Whitner has like 3-4 dropped ints on the year. Brooks just made some nice plays and those are hard to catch but if he does get one we probably win the game.