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Draft Grades: Kiper and others

Does anybody have access to Kiper's draft grades posted today?
Sorry I put this in the draft forum instead of the Niner forum
Not kipper, I quit watching Espn as I think Mayock and NFL network are more serious about the draft. Lombardi gave us a B grade which was the best in our division. They said we have added another element to our game(being speed) and there is still a wide gap between us and the other three teams. Does anyone think Seattle is just looking at who we like, they took Irvin in the first and he doesn't fit there system, and then in the sixth a few spots before we pick, they choose Jeremy Lane. Its like harbaalke is doing all the work, the Seahawks cheat off our notes and because they suck, they turn it in first. I want to smash the Seahawks. Oh yeah I forgot about the Turbin pick as well.

But yes as far as I know we have the best grade in our division which is suprising considering we were picking the lowest in each round and the rams had an insane amount of high picks and usually the " experts" favor those teams.
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From what I have been seeing, we are getting poor grades, since we "reached" for Jenkins. The 49ers weren't following the experts consensus on the best players, so they rated us lower.
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Found this summary of draft grades for the 49ers.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2012/4/29/2986147/nfl-draft-grades-2012-mel-kiper-pete-prisco-49ers-draft-grades
I don't even know how to think about Baalke drafts anymore other than that he has come through once and we really can't say anything until these guys actually perform compared to the guys we didn't pick.
It was a weird draft. The play at OG will be a determining factor on how to grade this.
Originally posted by jreff22:
It was a weird draft. The play at OG will be a determining factor on how to grade this.


I disagree, the draft will be evaluated on if the Niners offense improves on gaining more yards, first downs, and TD's over field goals. CLEARLY the niners saw that the chance of repeating such a favorable turn over ratio, and stout defense is impossible. The offense needed to imrpove, they needed speed on the outside, a deep threat, a back who can line up like a WR (see sproles and woodhead).

The niners also have declared on defense they believe that getting to the passer is the way to go, speed and OLB's is the key rather than relying on CB's and DB's to cover for 4-5 seconds so you get coverage sacks.

If the Niners wanted to get a good draft grade, they could have traded their 1 and 2 to move up to get De Castro or stay put and got guard at 1st round pick. This drat also shows that Baalke and company have thrown out BPA drafting, this was drafting for what direction the team wants to move in the future.
WAY too early.

On the surface, we got faster and added depth.

Let's see how many of them make the team and how they play.

I feel AJ will surprise a lot of people.
I really, really wanted them to trade up for Decastro, but if they had they probably would have had to use the 2nd they needed to take Jenkins. Or Jenkins may have been hone.
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Kiper

Top needs: RG, WR, S, CB, RB GRADE: C+ VALUE: B- OVERALL: C+


Summary: San Francisco is working a "no excuses" plan. Meaning, the 49ers have added enough pieces to this offense via both free agency and the draft that Alex Smith should continue to develop. If he can't get to the next level with this group, my guess is Jim Harbaughwill look for someone who can. A.J. Jenkins was a bit of a reach on my board, but I know the 49ers really liked him. I'm a huge fan of LaMichael James, and I had a change-of-pace running back as one of their needs. Joe Looney is a decent player, though he's no immediate upgrade like I felt they needed. Trent Robinson has a chance to be a starter at some point, but I thought they could have used a corner. Not a bad draft at all, and you could see their strategy. It's tough to add early impact to a good roster.

RoundPickPositionPlayerCollege(1)30WRA.J. JenkinsIllinois(2)61RBLaMichael JamesOregon(4)117GJoe LooneyWake Forest(5)165LBDarius FlemingNotre Dame(6)180STrent RobinsonMichigan State(6)199CJason SloweyWestern Oregon(7)237LBCam JohnsonVirginia
[ Edited by sfout on Apr 29, 2012 at 9:25 AM ]
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On offense we secured needs. On defense we drafted our "type" of defender. I don't care about the grade because the guy who picked them helped get us to the NFL championship.
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by jreff22:
It was a weird draft. The play at OG will be a determining factor on how to grade this.


I disagree, the draft will be evaluated on if the Niners offense improves on gaining more yards, first downs, and TD's over field goals. CLEARLY the niners saw that the chance of repeating such a favorable turn over ratio, and stout defense is impossible. The offense needed to imrpove, they needed speed on the outside, a deep threat, a back who can line up like a WR (see sproles and woodhead).

The niners also have declared on defense they believe that getting to the passer is the way to go, speed and OLB's is the key rather than relying on CB's and DB's to cover for 4-5 seconds so you get coverage sacks.

If the Niners wanted to get a good draft grade, they could have traded their 1 and 2 to move up to get De Castro or stay put and got guard at 1st round pick. This drat also shows that Baalke and company have thrown out BPA drafting, this was drafting for what direction the team wants to move in the future.

If we take a step back and it looks like Chilo is back out there it will be a failure. Nothing works if Alex is on his back and that starts upfront. The FA additions on O will be a bigger factor scoring IMO. Not a knock on Jenkins but I hope Moss really shows up because he could be dangerous. Not getting DeCastro, passing on Konz, Glenn, Jones etc is the biggest risk IMO. If the position is "fixed" then the draft goes up another grade for me. If we are back drafting more OL next year we have a problem.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by jreff22:
It was a weird draft. The play at OG will be a determining factor on how to grade this.


I disagree, the draft will be evaluated on if the Niners offense improves on gaining more yards, first downs, and TD's over field goals. CLEARLY the niners saw that the chance of repeating such a favorable turn over ratio, and stout defense is impossible. The offense needed to imrpove, they needed speed on the outside, a deep threat, a back who can line up like a WR (see sproles and woodhead).

The niners also have declared on defense they believe that getting to the passer is the way to go, speed and OLB's is the key rather than relying on CB's and DB's to cover for 4-5 seconds so you get coverage sacks.

If the Niners wanted to get a good draft grade, they could have traded their 1 and 2 to move up to get De Castro or stay put and got guard at 1st round pick. This drat also shows that Baalke and company have thrown out BPA drafting, this was drafting for what direction the team wants to move in the future.

If we take a step back and it looks like Chilo is back out there it will be a failure. Nothing works if Alex is on his back and that starts upfront. The FA additions on O will be a bigger factor scoring IMO. Not a knock on Jenkins but I hope Moss really shows up because he could be dangerous. Not getting DeCastro, passing on Konz, Glenn, Jones etc is the biggest risk IMO. If the position is "fixed" then the draft goes up another grade for me. If we are back drafting more OL next year we have a problem.

I agree with you, for once. Lol. Guard was the closest thing we had to a real need and we barely addressed it in the 4th. They must feel really confident in Kilgore's development.

I'm not as high on Moss as you are though. I don't see how he can be any better than he was with 3 teams in 2010 after taking an entire year off from football.(Even if he kept working out, that's a lot of time away from the game). Since there is no risk for the 9ers with Moss having no guaranteed money, I see them cutting him as soon as any rookie is even close to being better than him because it's always better to give rookies more playing time so they can develop faster. Moss also has no value on special teams so he won't even stick around because of that.