Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Hill and Turbin
Both of these players have high ceilings, something Baalke covets. I would cream my shorts if the first three rounds went this way.
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Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Hill and Turbin
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
~ I only like 1st pick.
~ He won't be there. So we won't get him anyway. LOL.
~ Where is the RG?
Originally posted by saniner:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
~ I only like 1st pick.
~ He won't be there. So we won't get him anyway. LOL.
~ Where is the RG?
I'd like for us to get Hill or even Jenkins with that first pick, but we really need a RG. I think there has to be a lineman taken in the first 2 picks. I'm pulling for Zietler or Konz personally.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by blm7754:What makes you think Hill wouldn't see the field his 1st year on a team that still needs a WR? Hill would be no worse than #2 on this current roster. And since when in the NFL do teams sit 1st round (or any round for that matter) WR's for reasons other than hold-outs, injury, or just outright busts? I just don't get what you base that on. Do you honestly believe that our WR corps is filled with absolute studs and worldbeaters that even a first round prospect like Hill won't see the field at all? Please tell us thats not what you think.
Don't like it. Those are 3 guys that would not even sniff the field as rookies on our team. We need a more polished WR than Hill that can contribute right away. Hayward and Turbin are solid prospects... but we are stacked at those positions. I'd rather see OG and Safety at those spots.
Originally posted by blm7754:1st. The route trees of all college WR's are limited. College coaches have progressively over the years asked less of their WR (and QB's). So that's a bad metric to evaluate this kid on.
Hill is a very inexperienced WR that ran very limited routes in G Techs offense. There is no evidence to suggest that he will pick up an NFL playbook and be able to run the routes effectively with a professional CB covering him. He has shot up the draft boards because of his good measurables (I always worry about drafting guys like that). He is a bust or boom type of pick... bust for teams that need him to play right away and boom for teams that can sit him and let him learn how to be a pro WR.
I'm not saying that we have talented WRs on our roster... quite the opposite. So we need guys that can step in now and be effective. Right now, Ted Ginn is a faster and better route runner than Hill. We need good football players. Not guys that only have potential to be good football players.
I see Kendall Wright, Alshon Jeffery, and Rueben Randle as all much safer draft bets than Hill.
Originally posted by valrod33:
I would fly out to Wes Buntings house and blow him if thats how our draft went
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by blm7754:1st. The route trees of all college WR's are limited. College coaches have progressively over the years asked less of their WR (and QB's). So that's a bad metric to evaluate this kid on.
Hill is a very inexperienced WR that ran very limited routes in G Techs offense. There is no evidence to suggest that he will pick up an NFL playbook and be able to run the routes effectively with a professional CB covering him. He has shot up the draft boards because of his good measurables (I always worry about drafting guys like that). He is a bust or boom type of pick... bust for teams that need him to play right away and boom for teams that can sit him and let him learn how to be a pro WR.
I'm not saying that we have talented WRs on our roster... quite the opposite. So we need guys that can step in now and be effective. Right now, Ted Ginn is a faster and better route runner than Hill. We need good football players. Not guys that only have potential to be good football players.
I see Kendall Wright, Alshon Jeffery, and Rueben Randle as all much safer draft bets than Hill.
2nd. You are right, there is no "evidence" he'll be able to pick-up an NFL playbook. But then again, there isn't any that he won't be able to either. People should stop using NFL standard on players that have never played an NFL down.
3rd. I don't get your "bust or boom" scenario. The draft is still yet somewhat of a gamble. Players are extensively evaluated ad nauseum by numerous scouts, et al. But when it's all said and done you really won't know until they suit up and get on the field. I doubt JH & Co. are using vague or trivial metrics like "boom or bust" to evaluate players.
4th. I'm sorry, but Ted Ginn is not known for his route running. In fact, he's been rather bad at it his whole career. You can't compare a prospect, who's never played an NFL down, to a guy who's had 5 NFL seasons of lack luster WR stats. (And speaking of Ginn, he's a WR in-name-only who's main job will be to return kicks and punts.)
5th. At this point, potential is all that any draft prospect has to offer a team, no matter where they go in the draft. Don't harp against the potential of a draft prospect when we still have WR's on the 49ers roster who's still showing nothing but potential after 3 full seasons.
Look, Hill is a draft prospect, not an NFL vet. I think you are judging this kid unfairly. In fact, the only reason this kid is getting flack, especially from some Zoners, is because he had the mis-fortune of playing in the triple option. But here's what we do know about Hill other than his measurables: He's a perfect WC WR because he's one of the better blocking WR's coming out of college, he has a very strong - but not sudden - release off the line of scrimmage (meaning he can deal with the press), excellent high-point catcher, and he is very strong after the catch. Will he need to work on some things? Sure, but what rookie don't? But this guy has a very high ceiling and extremely good intangibles (he works hard, durable, no diva factor, or off-the-field issues at all), the type of guy that Baalke and JH likes. I think with our coaching staff this kid would come in and contribute right away. It isn't like we're oozing with WR talent.
Originally posted by nickbradley:Gilmore will be gone by pick 20. And you know my feelings about a TE in the 1st.
Hill over Gilmore and Fleener = Crazy