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National Football Post 3 round mock

Originally posted by DaDivaRecieva15:
Hill and Turbin



Both of these players have high ceilings, something Baalke covets. I would cream my shorts if the first three rounds went this way.
~ I only like 1st pick.
~ He won't be there. So we won't get him anyway. LOL.
~ Where is the RG?
I think whoever we pick up, is going to have a tough time getting playing time (unless it's a stud RG). . . . which is a good thing. The rookies you hear about getting immediate playing time, are usually on teams with needs . . . which we are not anymore.

Assuming Moss is at least 80% of what he used to be, and Manningham and Crabtree play like they did last year, I think Hill will have a hard time getting regular time on the field . . . . but where he can really make a difference is in the red zone going up for jump balls. Red Zone effiecency is more of a problem than any one position and if we pick him, this is where I see him getting the most action.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
~ I only like 1st pick.
~ He won't be there. So we won't get him anyway. LOL.
~ Where is the RG?

I'd like for us to get Hill or even Jenkins with that first pick, but we really need a RG. I think there has to be a lineman taken in the first 2 picks. I'm pulling for Zietler or Konz personally.
I dont like any draft that does not have us taking an OG in the first 3 rounds. PASS
Originally posted by saniner:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
~ I only like 1st pick.
~ He won't be there. So we won't get him anyway. LOL.
~ Where is the RG?

I'd like for us to get Hill or even Jenkins with that first pick, but we really need a RG. I think there has to be a lineman taken in the first 2 picks. I'm pulling for Zietler or Konz personally.

I'm really starting to believe that Hill and Fleener are gone by the time we pick. I think Zeitler is a 28 - 35 guy. So I think it's really possible he is there. Maybe even probable. And I further have come around to the fact that maybe solidifying the RG once and for all may be the best option. Chilo taught me that a weak RG can implode all your offensive plans....
Wouldn't be bad but I'd like better.

I just don't think Hill is going to be anything special. Just a gut feeling.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by blm7754:
Don't like it. Those are 3 guys that would not even sniff the field as rookies on our team. We need a more polished WR than Hill that can contribute right away. Hayward and Turbin are solid prospects... but we are stacked at those positions. I'd rather see OG and Safety at those spots.
What makes you think Hill wouldn't see the field his 1st year on a team that still needs a WR? Hill would be no worse than #2 on this current roster. And since when in the NFL do teams sit 1st round (or any round for that matter) WR's for reasons other than hold-outs, injury, or just outright busts? I just don't get what you base that on. Do you honestly believe that our WR corps is filled with absolute studs and worldbeaters that even a first round prospect like Hill won't see the field at all? Please tell us thats not what you think.

Hill is a very inexperienced WR that ran very limited routes in G Techs offense. There is no evidence to suggest that he will pick up an NFL playbook and be able to run the routes effectively with a professional CB covering him. He has shot up the draft boards because of his good measurables (I always worry about drafting guys like that). He is a bust or boom type of pick... bust for teams that need him to play right away and boom for teams that can sit him and let him learn how to be a pro WR.

I'm not saying that we have talented WRs on our roster... quite the opposite. So we need guys that can step in now and be effective. Right now, Ted Ginn is a faster and better route runner than Hill. We need good football players. Not guys that only have potential to be good football players.

I see Kendall Wright, Alshon Jeffery, and Rueben Randle as all much safer draft bets than Hill.
he promotes hayward as a cover 2 guy, yet the niners dont play cover 2 much if at all, as i understand their defensive schemes

i dont see taking turbin when you sign jacobs
Originally posted by blm7754:
Hill is a very inexperienced WR that ran very limited routes in G Techs offense. There is no evidence to suggest that he will pick up an NFL playbook and be able to run the routes effectively with a professional CB covering him. He has shot up the draft boards because of his good measurables (I always worry about drafting guys like that). He is a bust or boom type of pick... bust for teams that need him to play right away and boom for teams that can sit him and let him learn how to be a pro WR.

I'm not saying that we have talented WRs on our roster... quite the opposite. So we need guys that can step in now and be effective. Right now, Ted Ginn is a faster and better route runner than Hill. We need good football players. Not guys that only have potential to be good football players.

I see Kendall Wright, Alshon Jeffery, and Rueben Randle as all much safer draft bets than Hill.
1st. The route trees of all college WR's are limited. College coaches have progressively over the years asked less of their WR (and QB's). So that's a bad metric to evaluate this kid on.

2nd. You are right, there is no "evidence" he'll be able to pick-up an NFL playbook. But then again, there isn't any that he won't be able to either. People should stop using NFL standard on players that have never played an NFL down.

3rd. I don't get your "bust or boom" scenario. The draft is still yet somewhat of a gamble. Players are extensively evaluated ad nauseum by numerous scouts, et al. But when it's all said and done you really won't know until they suit up and get on the field. I doubt JH & Co. are using vague or trivial metrics like "boom or bust" to evaluate players.

4th. I'm sorry, but Ted Ginn is not known for his route running. In fact, he's been rather bad at it his whole career. You can't compare a prospect, who's never played an NFL down, to a guy who's had 5 NFL seasons of lack luster WR stats. (And speaking of Ginn, he's a WR in-name-only who's main job will be to return kicks and punts.)

5th. At this point, potential is all that any draft prospect has to offer a team, no matter where they go in the draft. Don't harp against the potential of a draft prospect when we still have WR's on the 49ers roster who's still showing nothing but potential after 3 full seasons.

Look, Hill is a draft prospect, not an NFL vet. I think you are judging this kid unfairly. In fact, the only reason this kid is getting flack, especially from some Zoners, is because he had the mis-fortune of playing in the triple option. But here's what we do know about Hill other than his measurables: He's a perfect WC WR because he's one of the better blocking WR's coming out of college, he has a very strong - but not sudden - release off the line of scrimmage (meaning he can deal with the press), excellent high-point catcher, and he is very strong after the catch. Will he need to work on some things? Sure, but what rookie don't? But this guy has a very high ceiling and extremely good intangibles (he works hard, durable, no diva factor, or off-the-field issues at all), the type of guy that Baalke and JH likes. I think with our coaching staff this kid would come in and contribute right away. It isn't like we're oozing with WR talent.
Originally posted by valrod33:
I would fly out to Wes Buntings house and blow him if thats how our draft went

You would blow a hallway in an old house with a draft .
[ Edited by ChaunceyGardner on Apr 20, 2012 at 5:12 PM ]
Hate this draft...

Turbin is the most overrated "sleeper" of this draft. A big, but non-elusive small school player.

Hill is the most overrated first rounder of this draft. A 3rd rounder on tape with a first rounder combine.

Casey Heyward's lack of athleticism will prevent him from ever being a first cb. He may be an average starter in the right scheme, but is not a good scheme fit and not a good enough athlete for the 2nd round. I'd much rather take Josh Norman in the third and go BPA in this spot.
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by blm7754:
Hill is a very inexperienced WR that ran very limited routes in G Techs offense. There is no evidence to suggest that he will pick up an NFL playbook and be able to run the routes effectively with a professional CB covering him. He has shot up the draft boards because of his good measurables (I always worry about drafting guys like that). He is a bust or boom type of pick... bust for teams that need him to play right away and boom for teams that can sit him and let him learn how to be a pro WR.

I'm not saying that we have talented WRs on our roster... quite the opposite. So we need guys that can step in now and be effective. Right now, Ted Ginn is a faster and better route runner than Hill. We need good football players. Not guys that only have potential to be good football players.

I see Kendall Wright, Alshon Jeffery, and Rueben Randle as all much safer draft bets than Hill.
1st. The route trees of all college WR's are limited. College coaches have progressively over the years asked less of their WR (and QB's). So that's a bad metric to evaluate this kid on.

2nd. You are right, there is no "evidence" he'll be able to pick-up an NFL playbook. But then again, there isn't any that he won't be able to either. People should stop using NFL standard on players that have never played an NFL down.

3rd. I don't get your "bust or boom" scenario. The draft is still yet somewhat of a gamble. Players are extensively evaluated ad nauseum by numerous scouts, et al. But when it's all said and done you really won't know until they suit up and get on the field. I doubt JH & Co. are using vague or trivial metrics like "boom or bust" to evaluate players.

4th. I'm sorry, but Ted Ginn is not known for his route running. In fact, he's been rather bad at it his whole career. You can't compare a prospect, who's never played an NFL down, to a guy who's had 5 NFL seasons of lack luster WR stats. (And speaking of Ginn, he's a WR in-name-only who's main job will be to return kicks and punts.)

5th. At this point, potential is all that any draft prospect has to offer a team, no matter where they go in the draft. Don't harp against the potential of a draft prospect when we still have WR's on the 49ers roster who's still showing nothing but potential after 3 full seasons.

Look, Hill is a draft prospect, not an NFL vet. I think you are judging this kid unfairly. In fact, the only reason this kid is getting flack, especially from some Zoners, is because he had the mis-fortune of playing in the triple option. But here's what we do know about Hill other than his measurables: He's a perfect WC WR because he's one of the better blocking WR's coming out of college, he has a very strong - but not sudden - release off the line of scrimmage (meaning he can deal with the press), excellent high-point catcher, and he is very strong after the catch. Will he need to work on some things? Sure, but what rookie don't? But this guy has a very high ceiling and extremely good intangibles (he works hard, durable, no diva factor, or off-the-field issues at all), the type of guy that Baalke and JH likes. I think with our coaching staff this kid would come in and contribute right away. It isn't like we're oozing with WR talent.


I don't know how Hill would pan out, but yours is a mighty fine post!
Hill over Gilmore and Fleener = Crazy
Originally posted by nickbradley:
Hill over Gilmore and Fleener = Crazy
Gilmore will be gone by pick 20. And you know my feelings about a TE in the 1st.