Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I told you, people seem to think that we will/can feature (start) two TE's. NE used two TE's because they lacked a real WR threat, and, like the 49ers, were blessed with creative coaching to hide their WR weakness. This starting two TE's "nightmare" isn't going to happen. You can run that at Stanford against college talent and get away with it. But we are talking about the NFL.
Why would we want to recreate a scheme that clearly couldn't get it done in the SB (not saying that we should be like NY)? People are talking about NE's two TE thing as if they beat the world with it. I don't see it happening because NFL defenses are too sophisticated for that to be successful, especially if you don't have a threat at WR.
For a long time I have been making the same point as jreff22 has been making: 1st). In the 1st round teams draft for for players who will either start right away, or at least by year two. And 2nd). The rules say you can only field 11 guys, so if we feature 2 TE's the question begs, who comes off the field, a WR or the FB? By default teams field 5 lineman, 2 WR's, 2 backs (RB, FB), and one TE. Do we take Crabs or Moss off? Do we take our FB star Miller off and go single-back sets, despite the fact that Gore thrives with a FB? This is the problem with drafting an un-needed position in the first, especially on a team like the 49ers that already have one of the top 2 or 3 TE's in the league.
Now, I have been accused of lacking an "Imagination" because of my opposition to taking Fleener in the first. I know one thing though: As critical as I've been of the Moss signing I know we signed him mainly for one reason, and that's to stretch the defense. Though I'm not a fan of Crabs, just the sight of Crabs and Moss - no to mention Gore - on the field at the same time by itself changes the look of a defense. Finally, just the mere thought of Jim and Trent trying to bring in Manning indicates that they don't intend for this offense to toss 25 or 30 passes to a bunch of TE's running seam routes, drags, or out routes all game, not with Moss and Crabs on the roster (and whatever WR they bring in). I just don't see this 2 TE thing coming to San Fran. anytime soon.
LOL Gronkowski got hurt and was playing at 50% during the Super Bowl. Tom Brady's primary weapon.
If Victor Cruz got hurt for New York it's different ballgame too. Injuries can derail any offense.
This. And didn't New England draft Gronk and Hernandez in the same draft in the 2nd round? That would suggest that Billicheck planned on the 2 TE monster that they run.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
We ran 2 tight ends for a majority of the time last year and that same argument can be said about getting the ball to receivers. So unless Hill emerges as the number 1 he's not going to get a slew of opportunities because our lack of an offense doesn't allow for it.
Best case scenario this year he's our number 3 and that's pretty irrelvant in our offense. That's 20 catches on the year for us. Same production Delanie got.
New England doesn't have the full package either. You're severly overrating their supporting cast. Wes Welker is a unique receiver but that's it. Deion Branch is not that good. I'd put him on the same level as Josh Morgan.
The other problem is you're trying to force A and B. If the right receiver is there you take him but it's gotta to be the right guy because history shows that receivers are the easiest to bust on. You look at Green Bay, Pittsburgh they do just fine building an offense around mid round receivers. Don't assume you have to grab one in the 1st.
I have nothing against taking Hill if we're projecting him to be a starting receiver but I don't see your argument against taking Fleener.
And This. If Hill is the right WR then he will be great but who knows. If they don't go with Fleener it's fine but I think Harbaugh will see that Delanie will have to be replaced because he isn't a threat and yet he needs to be on the field for our 2 TE sets.
Originally posted by mkary12:
Originally posted by jreff22:
we played 2 playoff games and he did s**t in both of them
Garcon and Wayne both posted 950+ this year with Painter....its not always the QB
You do realize you're judging him on 2 games right? The first 2 playoff games of his career. I agree with you that we badly need WRs, but you want to get rid of Crabtree, a very talented WR who has shown progression, because of 2 games? Delusional.
And also This! We played 2 games. Crabs caught a Td but yeah he didn't play his best. For some reason the zone wants to get rid of any player that has a bad game. Crabtree in the playoffs, Kyle williams for his fumble, Nate Clements when he fumbled in Atlanta, etc...
No one seems to remember Delanie's fumble in the redzone when we played the Saints 2 years ago...(I think it was MNF). That game went to the wire and we could have used the 7 points?
Point being, who cares! If they played like that all the time then get them off the team, but they don't...
[ Edited by jacklegniner on Mar 17, 2012 at 19:24:26 ]