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AB's Final Mock before Free Agency

  • sfout
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yea AB what makes you think Sanu's stock is going to be boosted back in the 1st round? Even if there was run on WRs I would only want Sanu that early if he was somehow actually The best player available, IMHO As long as Jeffery runs a high 4.5, even a low 4.6 I still see Jeffery going before Sanu.

and like everyone on here is saying about Jackson, I dont see him dipping 1.5 below his starting asking price to come here, sure he could be looking for a SB ring but I still think it would be a stretch for him sign for $2M below his supposed market value.

But I do love how methodically simple this is. I would die if Jackson would sign with us for price.
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
My Last Mock before Free Agency starts tomorrow at 4PM eastern.

Current Signings/Re-Signings/Tenders:

SS C.J. Spillman- 3yr/$4.2M deal($1.08M 2012 figure)
OLB Ahmad Brooks- 6yr/$42.5M max($2.85M 2012 figure)
DE Will Tukuafu- 2yr Minimum deal, no bonus money($465K 2012 figure)
CB Tramaine Brock- 1yr/$540K deal
ILB Larry Grant- 1-year RFA tender of $1.26M
FS Dashon Goldson- 1-year Franchise tag of $6.2M
WR Randy Moss- 1-year deal, I'm gonna say for $1M

With the extra $1.6M from the uncapped year cheating, we have $20.444.264M under cap.

Now lets take Shawntae Spencer and release him, saving $2.91M, putting us up to $23,354,264M under.

I'm gonna take off $3M for draft picks, leaves us $20,543,264M under to start signings.

Obvious 2 signings begin.

QB Alex Smith- 3-year deal worth $22.5M, average of $7.5M, with some incentives, but not a lot. Includes a few roster bonuses each year, breakdown is.

2012- $750K base and $4M roster bonus = $4.75M
2013- $3.5M base and $5M roster bonus = $8.5M
2014- $4.25M base and $5M roster bonus = $9.25M

ILB Blake Costanzo- 4-year deal worth $6M

2012- $750K base and $375K in pro-rated SB = $1.125M
2013- $1M base and $375K pro-rated SB = $1.375M
2014- $1.225M base and $375K pro-rated SB = $1.6M
2015- $1.525M base and $375K pro-rated SB = $1.9M

Ok with those 2 signings, we have now $14,668,264M under. Also with these signings we would have $108,637,288M committed for 2013, including projection for 2012 draft picks.

Now is interesting part. I say sign Ginn and Snyder.

Ginn gets a 2yr deal worth $5M, Ginn gets $2M for 2012, $2.5M in 2013

Snyder gets 2yr deal worth $6M, Snyder gets $2.5M in 2012, $3.5M in 2013.

Now gives us $10,168,264M under, and committed for 2013 up to $114,637,288M.

Now also keep in mind we gain $390K each player we sign, so $390K times 4 is $1.56M, brings us to $11,728,264M under.

Now I am re-signing Rogers, might go a different route, but I'm hoping for Rogers.

He gets a 4-year deal worth $24M, a average of $6M.

2012- $750K base, $500K in pro-rated SB and $3M roster bonus = $4.25M
2013- $2M base, $500K SB and $4M roster bonus = $6M
2014- $3.5M base, $500K SB and $2M roster bonus = $6M
2015- $4.25M base, $500K SB and $3M roster bonus = $7.75M

Brings us down, with the added $390K, to $7,868,264M under.

Now, decision, sign Morgan or a big WR, I say Vincent Jackson. 5-year deal, averaging $8.5M, total of $42.5M. First year cap figure of $5M, lower us to, with extra $390K, to $3,258,264M under.

So, we signed the following, Spillman, Brooks, Moss, Tukuafu, Brock, Goldson(hope for long term deal), Alex, Rogers, Costanzo, Jackson, Snyder and Ginn, with Grant as toss up.

Draft:

Rd 1- WR M.Sanu, Rutgers
Rd 2- OG K.Zeitler, Wisconsin
Rd 3- CB D.Bentley, UL-Lafayette
Rd 4- OLB N.Bradham, Florida State
Rd 5- RB V.Ballard, Mississippi State
Rd 6- S C.Thompson, S.C. State
Rd 7- Development FB or CB who is on PS

2012 Depth Chart:

QB- Alex/ Kaepernick/ Tolzien
RB- Gore/ Hunter/ Ballard
FB- Miller
WR- Jackson/ Sanu
WR- Crabtree/ Moss/ Ginn
TE- Vernon/ Walker/ Reuland
C- Goodwin
OG- Iupati/ Snyder/ Kilgore/ Zeitler
OT- Staley/ Davis/ Boone/ Person

DE- McDonald/ J.Smith/ Tukuafu/ Dobbs
NT- Sopoaga/ Jean Francois/ Williams
OLB- Brooks/ Aldon/ Haralson/ Bradham
ILB- Willis/ Bowman/ Gooden(Re-Signed)/ Costanzo/ Grant(if not signed away)
CB- Rogers/ Brown/ Culliver/ Bentley/ Brock
S- Goldson/ Whitner/ Spillman/ Jones/ Thompson

ST- Akers/ Lee/ Jennings


I like most of what you did here. Although I agree with everyone about Sanu. One question though, after all these moves what would our final 2013 salary projection be? I saw you said 114.6mil, but I'm not sure if that incudes your signing of Rogers,and Jackson.

Actually I looked the contracts you gave those guys and if my math is correct that would push our 2013 cap number to about 129mil, is that right?I would really prefer not to go into next year over the cap.
  • sfout
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Originally posted by GorefullBore:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
My Last Mock before Free Agency starts tomorrow at 4PM eastern.

Current Signings/Re-Signings/Tenders:

SS C.J. Spillman- 3yr/$4.2M deal($1.08M 2012 figure)
OLB Ahmad Brooks- 6yr/$42.5M max($2.85M 2012 figure)
DE Will Tukuafu- 2yr Minimum deal, no bonus money($465K 2012 figure)
CB Tramaine Brock- 1yr/$540K deal
ILB Larry Grant- 1-year RFA tender of $1.26M
FS Dashon Goldson- 1-year Franchise tag of $6.2M
WR Randy Moss- 1-year deal, I'm gonna say for $1M

With the extra $1.6M from the uncapped year cheating, we have $20.444.264M under cap.

Now lets take Shawntae Spencer and release him, saving $2.91M, putting us up to $23,354,264M under.

I'm gonna take off $3M for draft picks, leaves us $20,543,264M under to start signings.

Obvious 2 signings begin.

QB Alex Smith- 3-year deal worth $22.5M, average of $7.5M, with some incentives, but not a lot. Includes a few roster bonuses each year, breakdown is.

2012- $750K base and $4M roster bonus = $4.75M
2013- $3.5M base and $5M roster bonus = $8.5M
2014- $4.25M base and $5M roster bonus = $9.25M

ILB Blake Costanzo- 4-year deal worth $6M

2012- $750K base and $375K in pro-rated SB = $1.125M
2013- $1M base and $375K pro-rated SB = $1.375M
2014- $1.225M base and $375K pro-rated SB = $1.6M
2015- $1.525M base and $375K pro-rated SB = $1.9M

Ok with those 2 signings, we have now $14,668,264M under. Also with these signings we would have $108,637,288M committed for 2013, including projection for 2012 draft picks.

Now is interesting part. I say sign Ginn and Snyder.

Ginn gets a 2yr deal worth $5M, Ginn gets $2M for 2012, $2.5M in 2013

Snyder gets 2yr deal worth $6M, Snyder gets $2.5M in 2012, $3.5M in 2013.

Now gives us $10,168,264M under, and committed for 2013 up to $114,637,288M.

Now also keep in mind we gain $390K each player we sign, so $390K times 4 is $1.56M, brings us to $11,728,264M under.

Now I am re-signing Rogers, might go a different route, but I'm hoping for Rogers.

He gets a 4-year deal worth $24M, a average of $6M.

2012- $750K base, $500K in pro-rated SB and $3M roster bonus = $4.25M
2013- $2M base, $500K SB and $4M roster bonus = $6M
2014- $3.5M base, $500K SB and $2M roster bonus = $6M
2015- $4.25M base, $500K SB and $3M roster bonus = $7.75M

Brings us down, with the added $390K, to $7,868,264M under.

Now, decision, sign Morgan or a big WR, I say Vincent Jackson. 5-year deal, averaging $8.5M, total of $42.5M. First year cap figure of $5M, lower us to, with extra $390K, to $3,258,264M under.

So, we signed the following, Spillman, Brooks, Moss, Tukuafu, Brock, Goldson(hope for long term deal), Alex, Rogers, Costanzo, Jackson, Snyder and Ginn, with Grant as toss up.

Draft:

Rd 1- WR M.Sanu, Rutgers
Rd 2- OG K.Zeitler, Wisconsin
Rd 3- CB D.Bentley, UL-Lafayette
Rd 4- OLB N.Bradham, Florida State
Rd 5- RB V.Ballard, Mississippi State
Rd 6- S C.Thompson, S.C. State
Rd 7- Development FB or CB who is on PS

2012 Depth Chart:

QB- Alex/ Kaepernick/ Tolzien
RB- Gore/ Hunter/ Ballard
FB- Miller
WR- Jackson/ Sanu
WR- Crabtree/ Moss/ Ginn
TE- Vernon/ Walker/ Reuland
C- Goodwin
OG- Iupati/ Snyder/ Kilgore/ Zeitler
OT- Staley/ Davis/ Boone/ Person

DE- McDonald/ J.Smith/ Tukuafu/ Dobbs
NT- Sopoaga/ Jean Francois/ Williams
OLB- Brooks/ Aldon/ Haralson/ Bradham
ILB- Willis/ Bowman/ Gooden(Re-Signed)/ Costanzo/ Grant(if not signed away)
CB- Rogers/ Brown/ Culliver/ Bentley/ Brock
S- Goldson/ Whitner/ Spillman/ Jones/ Thompson

ST- Akers/ Lee/ Jennings


I like most of what you did here. Although I agree with everyone about Sanu. One question though, after all these moves what would our final 2013 salary projection be? I saw you said 114.6mil, but I'm not sure if that incudes your signing of Rogers,and Jackson.

Actually I looked the contracts you gave those guys and if my math is correct that would push our 2013 cap number to about 129mil, is that right?I would really prefer not to go into next year over the cap.

We wont be over the cap at that #. I believe next season the cap increases to $130M so we'd be right under it.
Originally posted by sfout:
yea AB what makes you think Sanu's stock is going to be boosted back in the 1st round? Even if there was run on WRs I would only want Sanu that early if he was somehow actually The best player available, IMHO As long as Jeffery runs a high 4.5, even a low 4.6 I still see Jeffery going before Sanu.

and like everyone on here is saying about Jackson, I dont see him dipping 1.5 below his starting asking price to come here, sure he could be looking for a SB ring but I still think it would be a stretch for him sign for $2M below his supposed market value.

But I do love how methodically simple this is. I would die if Jackson would sign with us for price.

I've just always liked Sanu, I went back and forth between Sanu and Hill. I'm worried Hill won't make an impact, being from a run first offense.

I'm not sold on Fleener in rd 1, we don't need a TE, if anything trade up for Konz. Zeitler, I think might make it there, if not, there is always Amini Silatolu, Nate Potter, Brandon Brooks, etc.. in rd 2 or 3.

Originally posted by sfout:
We wont be over the cap at that #. I believe next season the cap increases to $130M so we'd be right under it.

Yeah, plus there will be players who dont make the team, and wont be a part of that committed salaries. Some extensions to lower cap figures it possible next season.
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Originally posted by AB83Rules:
I'm not sold on Fleener in rd 1, we don't need a TE, if anything trade up for Konz. Zeitler, I think might make it there, if not, there is always Amini Silatolu, Nate Potter, Brandon Brooks, etc.. in rd 2 or 3.

What a coincidence I've got us taking Silatolu in round 2 in my next mock :D
I LOVE the cap number break down, put the job of the GM in a little more perspective as to what they have to work with. I struggle with the numbers you have assigned for C Roger, A Smith and Snyder. I think those numbers are reflective of present offers hypotehically on the table, and I would assume at least one (C Rogers would potentially walk.).

If Rogers is gone, I would question cutting Spencer until you have his replacement in the draft or FA. I think the FO thinks the same way. I believe he can seek a trade, maybe a team will give up a 7th rounder for him in 2013, but I doubt it.

Sanu supposedly has the sure hands of the WR class, this is something the 9ers need, and he is a New Jersey Rutgers product, Bill Bellicheck love the Rutgers program, so maybe their is something from that school for the niners.

If the Niners sign Snyder before the draft, I think OG should not be in round 2. I would much rather get a CB or trade down to pick up two third rounders and pick up RB Turbin in the high 3rd round and the next C/OG prospect.
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Wide receiver overkill up in here AB. How do you expect the 49ers to keep all those receivers happy? Harbaugh isn't exactly the biggest fan of the forward pass. Moss to the bench is also a very good way to kill team chemistry.
I like your choice of Reuland as the third TE this year. I think he will start being able to contribute to the team this year. Since i've been going to Stanford football games for almost 20 years now, and watched nearly all of Reuland's play there, I was pretty impressed by him.
AB - that's a LOT of work. Thanks.

My big concern is Rogers being 31. Quality CB are harder to get than quality WR.

Do you think a young, 26, Brandon Carr who is VERY healthy - would be a better long term investment than a 31 year old Rogers - dollar for dollar?
Sorry, but I think you are way low on Alex.

And we are not going to resign Ginn and Morgan and get Vjax with Moss already on board. Too many chefs in the kitchen. Ginn and Morgan are probably gone if we want to sigh another WR, say a Meachem.
As much as I want the Niners to re-sign Rogers, I think someone will give him a more lucrative offer.
double post
[ Edited by adrenaline on Mar 13, 2012 at 12:21 PM ]
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Originally posted by adrenaline:
As much as I want the Niners to re-sign Rogers, I think someone will give him a more lucrative offer.

By signing Cox we're telling Rogers to move quickly if he wants to come back. IMHO the damn Rams or other losers of the Finnegan/Carr bidding wars will overpay rogers.
love it AB!