SFOUT: Pre-Combine Mock

Wouldn't be too upset if it fell that way. Although I think Gerhart will go a little lower than that, and I'm not sure we'd take him that high. Would hope we get a different OG/C there.

I'm still not sold on Quick, especially as a late 2nd rounder. If we were really dead set on taking a receiver in the 2nd round, I think I'd reach for Stephen Hill just because I have a feeling he won't be around when we pick in the 3rd.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wouldn't be too upset if it fell that way. Although I think Gerhart will go a little lower than that, and I'm not sure we'd take him that high. Would hope we get a different OG/C there.

Agreed, I've seen too much fluctuation in the G/C ranks in the mid rounds and Gerhart is the one I've consistently seen with a 5th round grade so I guessed he'd improve rather then take a step back.

Originally posted by SF69ers:
I'm still not sold on Quick, especially as a late 2nd rounder. If we were really dead set on taking a receiver in the 2nd round, I think I'd reach for Stephen Hill just because I have a feeling he won't be around when we pick in the 3rd.

Hill would get my vote as the next option but I would need to see some really good route running and agility from him next week. Quick is raw but at this point is a more complete WR compared to Hill. If he runs well I'd gladly switch that pick from Quick to Hill :D

throw in a reasonably priced young CB FA and im as happy as can be

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Wouldn't be too upset if it fell that way. Although I think Gerhart will go a little lower than that, and I'm not sure we'd take him that high. Would hope we get a different OG/C there.

Agreed, I've seen too much fluctuation in the G/C ranks in the mid rounds and Gerhart is the one I've consistently seen with a 5th round grade so I guessed he'd improve rather then take a step back.

Originally posted by SF69ers:

I'm still not sold on Quick, especially as a late 2nd rounder. If we were really dead set on taking a receiver in the 2nd round, I think I'd reach for Stephen Hill just because I have a feeling he won't be around when we pick in the 3rd.

Hill would get my vote as the next option but I would need to see some really good route running and agility from him next week. Quick is raw but at this point is a more complete WR compared to Hill. If he runs well I'd gladly switch that pick from Quick to Hill :D

I have the same opinion on Quick as well. He's big, but just doesn't look like he'll be an explosive NFL player early on at least. I see the potential, but I worry he will just turn into a Michael Jenkins possession type of big receiver. I give him a late 3rd round grade. The NFL is quickly becoming a league of quick-twitch athletes where measurables like height and weight and to an extent -- straight line speed -- are starting to mean less and less, while quickness, strength/power, and technique mean more and more.

I mean, technique has always mattered, and NFL coaching is to develop it from wherever it currently is at, but when you get these small schoolers, there are often concerns with this, because at that level they can often get by on their pure athleticism and talent alone.

Manning's not a 3-4 LB, too small. I'm not a huge fan of Quick, he wasn't that great in the senior bowl practices. The only WR you targeted that I think really makes an impact is Garcon. So so mock IMO. I don't really like the draft, I don't think we get much better.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wouldn't be too upset if it fell that way. Although I think Gerhart will go a little lower than that, and I'm not sure we'd take him that high. Would hope we get a different OG/C there.

Agreed, I've seen too much fluctuation in the G/C ranks in the mid rounds and Gerhart is the one I've consistently seen with a 5th round grade so I guessed he'd improve rather then take a step back.

Originally posted by SF69ers:
I'm still not sold on Quick, especially as a late 2nd rounder. If we were really dead set on taking a receiver in the 2nd round, I think I'd reach for Stephen Hill just because I have a feeling he won't be around when we pick in the 3rd.

Hill would get my vote as the next option but I would need to see some really good route running and agility from him next week. Quick is raw but at this point is a more complete WR compared to Hill. If he runs well I'd gladly switch that pick from Quick to Hill :D

I have the same opinion on Quick as well. He's big, but just doesn't look like he'll be an explosive NFL player early on at least. I see the potential, but I worry he will just turn into a Michael Jenkins possession type of big receiver. I give him a late 3rd round grade. The NFL is quickly becoming a league of quick-twitch athletes where measurables like height and weight and to an extent -- straight line speed -- are starting to mean less and less, while quickness, strength/power, and technique mean more and more.

I mean, technique has always mattered, and NFL coaching is to develop it from wherever it currently is at, but when you get these small schoolers, there are often concerns with this, because at that level they can often get by on their pure athleticism and talent alone.

Yea I am sort of being obstinent with Quick, I'd much rather draft Hill, both are raw but I'm just waiting and watching to see who shows up the better player next week.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Manning's not a 3-4 LB, too small. I'm not a huge fan of Quick, he wasn't that great in the senior bowl practices. The only WR you targeted that I think really makes an impact is Garcon. So so mock IMO. I don't really like the draft, I don't think we get much better.

Calculated risk on Manning, if I had to change it I'd probably say Brandon Lindsey from Pitt or Jonathan Massoqoi from Troy.

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by sfout:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Wouldn't be too upset if it fell that way. Although I think Gerhart will go a little lower than that, and I'm not sure we'd take him that high. Would hope we get a different OG/C there.

Agreed, I've seen too much fluctuation in the G/C ranks in the mid rounds and Gerhart is the one I've consistently seen with a 5th round grade so I guessed he'd improve rather then take a step back.

Originally posted by SF69ers:
I'm still not sold on Quick, especially as a late 2nd rounder. If we were really dead set on taking a receiver in the 2nd round, I think I'd reach for Stephen Hill just because I have a feeling he won't be around when we pick in the 3rd.

Hill would get my vote as the next option but I would need to see some really good route running and agility from him next week. Quick is raw but at this point is a more complete WR compared to Hill. If he runs well I'd gladly switch that pick from Quick to Hill :D

I have the same opinion on Quick as well. He's big, but just doesn't look like he'll be an explosive NFL player early on at least. I see the potential, but I worry he will just turn into a Michael Jenkins possession type of big receiver. I give him a late 3rd round grade. The NFL is quickly becoming a league of quick-twitch athletes where measurables like height and weight and to an extent -- straight line speed -- are starting to mean less and less, while quickness, strength/power, and technique mean more and more.

I mean, technique has always mattered, and NFL coaching is to develop it from wherever it currently is at, but when you get these small schoolers, there are often concerns with this, because at that level they can often get by on their pure athleticism and talent alone.

Yea I am sort of being obstinent with Quick, I'd much rather draft Hill, both are raw but I'm just waiting and watching to see who shows up the better player next week.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Manning's not a 3-4 LB, too small. I'm not a huge fan of Quick, he wasn't that great in the senior bowl practices. The only WR you targeted that I think really makes an impact is Garcon. So so mock IMO. I don't really like the draft, I don't think we get much better.

Calculated risk on Manning, if I had to change it I'd probably say Brandon Lindsey from Pitt or Jonathan Massoqoi from Troy.

Yeah that'd be better, I'm a big fan of Lindsey, Jake Bequette, Cam Johnson, and a few other guys.

There is a lot to like here, sfout... Appreciate the work that went into this too...

My only qualm with your mock (and I like Quick, only in the third round instead of the second), is the pretty obvious need of getting some D-line depth somewhere in the first 4 rounds. Justin Smith, McDonald, and Brooks played virtually every defensive snap this past year so getting an additional DE as well as an OLB that can hold the edge (probably a guy that weighs 245-255 lbs. or so and runs in the 4.7 - 4.8 range at least. Those type of OLBs are not easy to find hence the necessity of re-signing Brooks.

This draft is stacked with really good DL prospects so passing up one of them would be a big mistake IMHO.

Now, I don't have any problem with your late round picks (or Fleener....love that pick!) but I would probably adjust rounds 2-4 to try to give those key guys on defense a breather...

Given that the Niners are indeed able to re-sign their key FAs.....here are some possibilities for a slightly modified version of your draft...

Round 1....TE Fleener
Round 2....DE J. Crick or OLB V. Curry or DT Kendall Reyes or DT Brandon Thompson (whomever falls to them)
Round 3....WR Quick or DE/OLB Cam Johnson or DE T. Guyton
Round 4....OLB Jake Bequette or OLB Jacquies Smith or DE/OLB Brett Roy or RB Vick Ballard or WR T. Streeter or OG Lucas Nix
Rounds 5-7 As you posted...

Cheers!

Originally posted by nw9erfan:
There is a lot to like here, sfout... Appreciate the work that went into this too...

My only qualm with your mock (and I like Quick, only in the third round instead of the second), is the pretty obvious need of getting some D-line depth somewhere in the first 4 rounds. Justin Smith, McDonald, and Brooks played virtually every defensive snap this past year so getting an additional DE as well as an OLB that can hold the edge (probably a guy that weighs 245-255 lbs. or so and runs in the 4.7 - 4.8 range at least. Those type of OLBs are not easy to find hence the necessity of re-signing Brooks.

This draft is stacked with really good DL prospects so passing up one of them would be a big mistake IMHO.

Now, I don't have any problem with your late round picks (or Fleener....love that pick!) but I would probably adjust rounds 2-4 to try to give those key guys on defense a breather...

Given that the Niners are indeed able to re-sign their key FAs.....here are some possibilities for a slightly modified version of your draft...

Round 1....TE Fleener
Round 2....DE J. Crick or OLB V. Curry or DT Kendall Reyes or DT Brandon Thompson (whomever falls to them)
Round 3....WR Quick or DE/OLB Cam Johnson or DE T. Guyton
Round 4....OLB Jake Bequette or OLB Jacquies Smith or DE/OLB Brett Roy or RB Vick Ballard or WR T. Streeter or OG Lucas Nix
Rounds 5-7 As you posted...

Cheers!

I like this mock better, but I hope we can retain the core of our FA's, especially Rodgers, Morgan, and Brooks. Alex will stay for sure. Same with the ST guys

Originally posted by nw9erfan:
There is a lot to like here, sfout... Appreciate the work that went into this too...

My only qualm with your mock (and I like Quick, only in the third round instead of the second), is the pretty obvious need of getting some D-line depth somewhere in the first 4 rounds. Justin Smith, McDonald, and Brooks played virtually every defensive snap this past year so getting an additional DE as well as an OLB that can hold the edge (probably a guy that weighs 245-255 lbs. or so and runs in the 4.7 - 4.8 range at least. Those type of OLBs are not easy to find hence the necessity of re-signing Brooks.

This draft is stacked with really good DL prospects so passing up one of them would be a big mistake IMHO.

Now, I don't have any problem with your late round picks (or Fleener....love that pick!) but I would probably adjust rounds 2-4 to try to give those key guys on defense a breather...

Given that the Niners are indeed able to re-sign their key FAs.....here are some possibilities for a slightly modified version of your draft...

Round 1....TE Fleener
Round 2....DE J. Crick or OLB V. Curry or DT Kendall Reyes or DT Brandon Thompson (whomever falls to them)
Round 3....WR Quick or DE/OLB Cam Johnson or DE T. Guyton
Round 4....OLB Jake Bequette or OLB Jacquies Smith or DE/OLB Brett Roy or RB Vick Ballard or WR T. Streeter or OG Lucas Nix
Rounds 5-7 As you posted...

Cheers!

So what you're saying is that besides his draft picks, you like his draft? lol

I like both Mocks above however Nw9er may be a little optomistic about that 2nd round pick, hard to see one if any of those players falling to the bottom of the second.

Sfout's mock probably has Quick a bit high, great physical speciman but I want to see if he can catch the ball away from his body more in workouts before penciling him in there. The one worrisome thing I've noticed about his tape is how he lets almost everything into his body which leads to him double catching the ball quite a bit. That wont work in the NFL or even preseason (see RoJo).

What do you guys think about Tank Carder anywher after the 4th? If he's there he could be the BPA, and could take Goodens spot by being a special teams demon while much more capable as a backup possibly at both ILB & OLB spots (but not being counted on as the primary rushing OLB). Amazing tackler with speed, a ballhawk who find a way to make plays, and has shown some ability to rush the passer... He could start off as a swiss army knife type backup for the LB group and groomed into playing opposite Aldon as the OLB who will drop into coverage if needed allowing Aldon to do what he does best, rush the passer.

Originally posted by 5280High:
I like both Mocks above however Nw9er may be a little optomistic about that 2nd round pick, hard to see one if any of those players falling to the bottom of the second.

Sfout's mock probably has Quick a bit high, great physical speciman but I want to see if he can catch the ball away from his body more in workouts before penciling him in there. The one worrisome thing I've noticed about his tape is how he lets almost everything into his body which leads to him double catching the ball quite a bit. That wont work in the NFL or even preseason (see RoJo).

What do you guys think about Tank Carder anywher after the 4th? If he's there he could be the BPA, and could take Goodens spot by being a special teams demon while much more capable as a backup possibly at both ILB & OLB spots (but not being counted on as the primary rushing OLB). Amazing tackler with speed, a ballhawk who find a way to make plays, and has shown some ability to rush the passer... He could start off as a swiss army knife type backup for the LB group and groomed into playing opposite Aldon as the OLB who will drop into coverage if needed allowing Aldon to do what he does best, rush the passer.

I like the idea as long as Carder can get to 240 LBS or above.

Originally posted by SF69ers:

I'm still not sold on Quick, especially as a late 2nd rounder. If we were really dead set on taking a receiver in the 2nd round, I think I'd reach for Stephen Hill just because I have a feeling he won't be around when we pick in the 3rd.

Agree. Would really want Hill and Fleener in first two rounds.