Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by Pick6:
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, Kenny Britt, Robert Meachem, Braylon Edwards are all busts?
What football are you watching?
These may not be #1 receivers, but they are all very solid receivers. Edwards was a bust this year for us, but before that he has been pretty productive. Percy Harvin is a great slot receiver when he has a QB to get him the ball. Maclin caught ten TDs last year. Demaryius Thomas looked great in the playoffs, so you cant say he is a bust for a few years at least. Dez Bryant is a beast. This argument is pretty weak if you are using these guys as your example. A few of them had injuries or bad QB play this year, but you cant base it off that.
I said earlier ANYONE picked since 2009 still has a chance to have first round value, but IMO they haven't done it yet.
"Busts" may not be the best word, BUT which one of these players has produced like you would want your first round pick? Why would you draft a #2 or less WR in the first round? Do you want a SOLID WR or a stud with your first round pick? My point is why waste a first round pick on talent that you can get in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc...
Thomas - injuries have slowed him, but 834 yds and 6 td's in 2 years - first round production?
Bryant - He is probably going to be a stud, but 1489 and 15 in two years - no 1000 yet. he was probably the toughest call, but NO 1000 yard season.
Crabtree - come on - 625, 741 and 874 - 2, 6 and 4 tds? IS THIS WHAT YOU EXPECTED WITH THE 10th pick in the draft? (looks similar to a 6th rounder I know)
Maclin - 3 years ZERO 1000 yard seasons... was he drafted for 10 td's ONCE? he has 4 and 5 in the other two years
Harvin - 3 years ZERO 1000 yard sesons (common point) 17 tds. His PRO BOWL was as a returner... is that why he was drafted first round?
Britt - injuries have killed Britt. In three years he has 1765 (775 high in yards) 15 tds - ZERO 1000 yard seasons
Meachem - Really?? 289, 722, 638, 620 yards - 3, 9, 5, 6 tds. 4 years ZERO 1000 yard seasons.
Edwards - One great yr doesn't make him worthy IMO - One 1000 yard season in 9 years (904 and 7 is second best year) He's avged 590 yards and 4.3 TD's
This is not the type of production I want with my first round pick... if you think this is adequate for a first round pick, then obviously our expectations are far different.
AGAIN - some of these guys might end up being worth the pick, but right now IMO they haven't produced enough to warrent where they were selected.
If our first round pick turned out to be the caliber of D. Thomas, Maclin, Harvin, Britt, or Dez Bryant - I would be very happy.
Most of those guys are too young to really see where they're going, thomas hasn't had anywhere near a 1000 yd season mostly due to injury but looks to be a solid guy. But if he continued to be a 10 game/year guy I wouldn't want him with that high of a pick. Several of those guys are actually fairly close to crabtree level, 800-900 yd guys. But again they're young and could blow up into more than that.
Most aren't extreme freaks like a calvin or fitz would be, guys that can get ten touchdowns and 1100+ yds. I think the OP's mistake was labeling solid receivers "busts", but I think what he was getting at is that you want your 1st round picks to not just get the occasional pro bowl season, but actually be considered up there with the elite top 5-10 wrs in the league. Guys like calvin but also nicks, jennings, welker, colston, solidified #1s who put up the big stats.
I see the cause for concern when it seems like the best passing teams have legit 1000+ yd receivers taken later than the 5th round while we get an 800 yd guy with foot problems in the first.