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If we got the 1st pick next year, do we take Luck even though we've got Kap?

Let someone trade the farm for him, either for the pick, or select the player and then trade later.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Niners99:
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You don't pass up the best QB prospect in years because you have a project. So yah, if that happens we better draft him.

Kaepernick isnt a project. We used an early 2nd rounder on him. Projects are more 4th-7th round guys. Kap has the tools to be very good.

So you think Kaepernick is a finished product, ready to start from day one?? All QB's are projects coming outta college. Only two QB's I've seen outta college could make the transition right away and that's Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. And Kaepernick is anything BUT a sure thing. Kaepernick absolutely falls under the project list, trying to turn a gimmick QB into a NFL starting QB is always a project, a strong arm and mobility doesn't exclude anyone from being a project.

It depends on how you define project then. I dont see an early 2nd round QB as a project. like another poster said, a project is someone like Nate Davis. just a stab in the dark at someone no one really wanted. Kap doesnt have nearly enough flaws to be considered a project. Harbaugh just has to tinker with his mechanics a bit, but the talent is all there.

If you base your definition of project in that criteria, then just about every draft pick is a project. nobody is a sure thing, and everyone needs some coaching to be molding into a successful NFL player. its not really fair to say "well, Kap isnt a surefire NFL star like Peyton Manning, hes just a project". i think theres a middle ground. "prospect" is more the word.

I agree with this. Klohe just said that every QB coming out is a project, then turns around and says Colin is because he is from a gimmick offense. So the correct word should be PROSPECT.

I dont see how a QB who ran a lot and played in a gimmicky pistol offense isnt a project. Just because you are talented doesnt mean you aren't a project. He is going to need to learn pro game footwork dropping back from center, the timing of the WCO, probably shorten up his delivery, work on staying in the pocket and being more of a pocket passer, learn how to read NFL defenses, and learn how to go through progressions in the WCO. Just because you're talented doesnt mean you're not a project. Project is a player who needs a lot of practice work before they can play and needs some coaching. Prospect is a player that hasn't been drafted yet and could be good. Therefor project is the correct title.

FYI plenty of talented QBs have been projects. Donovan McNabb was a project who didnt play at all in his first year, Alex SMith was a project who needed more time to learn and wasnt handled correctly and was somewhat damaged from that IMO, Aaron Rodgers was more pro ready than any of these guys and Kaepernick and he waited 3 years to start and he got better from all that practice, there have been plenty of talented QBs who were projects.

Thank You. And I think you said it much much better.


Thanks. I dont think it will change any opinions however, but I still stand by what I said.

I'm just trying to point out the double standard. People didn't want Tebow because he was coming from a gimmicky offense and had a slow release, and was considered by most a project who will take some time to develop. But now that we've drafted Kaepernick, hes not a project, but a prospect???WTF!!!

I have to disagree with my fellow Haw'n bruddha, as far as delivery, it has already been said by Harbaugh himself that CK's delivery is fine, in fact in the ESPN special on QBs, it showed how fast from the time the target is open till the time it took CK to throw it to the hoop was the fastest. Also in that drill he had to drop back from the line of scrimmage and couldn't throw till one of the three targets lit up. His footwork was fine, his reaction and delivery and touch was fine, actually better than fine. Harbaugh also said he won't tinker w/his delivery.

If anything, he has to learn is reading the schemes of the NFL and adjusting to tighter coverages and the speed of the game, but all QBs have to even Luck.He also has to learn the nuaances of the style that Harbaugh plans to run. This is the only edge Luck may have. CK has a stronger arm and is faster, bigger and stronger than Luck physically. Remember Luck has talent but was molded by JH, so Harbaugh will know if in the overall scheme of things if CK has a higher ceiling. The only thing we don't know is football intelligence when the game is on. Does everything slow down for him or does it seem like helter skelter as it does with Alex.

Let us not forget that Lucks success is also based on the coaches setting him up to succceed by their game planning and not putting him in a bad position. For the same reason, some thought the niners might take the huskies QB, JH played and saw him enough to know that he wasn't his man. So we can't assume will take him and automatically put him ahead, they may take him but to trade him for a kings ransom.

Also one thing to think about, athletes that play two sports, especially a sport that helps with what they do in another sport almost always succeed and CK as a pitcher goes a long way to helping shape him as a QB.

In the end there are different shades of grey or prospects.

Right on that's cool.

But how do we know how good his footwork/mechanics is at the next level, when there's no pass rush coming at him?? As for changing a QB's release/devlivery, most times its pretty much a thing NOT to do, you don't wanna make him more uncomfortable than he already will be at the next level, but it can be done, see Aaron Rodgers who used to hold the ball by his ear hole. And its been said, no QB is a finished product coming outta college, some need to work on more things than others - hence the word "project".

Pitchers that try to make it as QB's in the NFL usually don't succeed, see - Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson, lots of wear and tear on their throwing arms.

In the end, we'll just have to see how Kaepernick translates.

Bruddha Kolohe-really? Really? Really now....I'll see your low pair of quarterbacks with a pair of aces-how does Elway and Marino sound? Both were drafted in the same year, Marino actually in the 4th round by the Royals.

Plus Henson left to try his hand at pro baseball then tried to comeback against Brady, who pretty much did to him what he did to Bledsoe, took the whole nine yards when given an inch. Being out of football screwed him over. Plus he never had talent or Brady wouldn't have gotten the better of him.

Actually I lied, I have a full house Daunte Culpepper, Kerry Collins, Michael Vick. To be honest there are a lot more on both sides of the ball, however the ones that were high draft picks (meaning 1st two rounds) also were pretty much successful.

I agree that all QB's are unfinished products, that all including Luck is a project, but that there are different levels of projects, hence different shades of gray. Some need more work, and some have more potential like land, room for growth.
[ Edited by WildBill on May 12, 2011 at 2:45 AM ]
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Even Kaepernick says hes a project:

Quote:

I’m portrayed as a little bit more of a raw athlete than quarterbacks that run an NFL-style system, but this week I really wanted to show that my physical tools, my footwork is pretty fine tuned,” said Kaepernick, who passed for 10,098 yards, threw for 82 touchdowns and rushed for another 59 scores in his four seasons. “I’m not a long-term project going into the NFL.”

Mayock seems to think so too:

Quote:
"Kaepernick I think is a great project," Mayock said. "He's got mechanical issues, but he's got a big arm and someone is going to develop him."

Link

Uh kolohe- you need read what you posted in bold. Kaep says he "does not" think he is a project. He does say he know that he is portrayed as such.

He also said in one interview, he is shooting to start asap. Like the movie top gun when Viper says-pretty arrogrant considering the company you are in...Maverick/Colin-yes sir, Viper/Harbaugh-I like that in a fighter pilot/QB...
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Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Even Kaepernick says hes a project:

Quote:

I’m portrayed as a little bit more of a raw athlete than quarterbacks that run an NFL-style system, but this week I really wanted to show that my physical tools, my footwork is pretty fine tuned,” said Kaepernick, who passed for 10,098 yards, threw for 82 touchdowns and rushed for another 59 scores in his four seasons. “I’m not a long-term project going into the NFL.”

Mayock seems to think so too:

Quote:
"Kaepernick I think is a great project," Mayock said. "He's got mechanical issues, but he's got a big arm and someone is going to develop him."

Link

Uh kolohe- you need read what you posted in bold. Kaep says he "does not" think he is a project. He does say he know that he is portrayed as such.

He also said in one interview, he is shooting to start asap. Like the movie top gun when Viper says-pretty arrogrant considering the company you are in...Maverick/Colin-yes sir, Viper/Harbaugh-I like that in a fighter pilot/QB...

He doesn't think hes a "Long term project", so what I got out of it, is that he thinks hes a short term maybe 1-2 years. Now I could see if he said he wasn't a project period, then of course I wouldn't have posted it.

WildBill and all the other Kaepernick hopefuls, I don't know why you guys get so worked up when people consider Kaepernick as a project. For all we know, Kaepernick might start from day 1. I won't hold my breath though, but I won't deny his talent either.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Even Kaepernick says hes a project:

Quote:

I’m portrayed as a little bit more of a raw athlete than quarterbacks that run an NFL-style system, but this week I really wanted to show that my physical tools, my footwork is pretty fine tuned,” said Kaepernick, who passed for 10,098 yards, threw for 82 touchdowns and rushed for another 59 scores in his four seasons. “I’m not a long-term project going into the NFL.”

Mayock seems to think so too:

Quote:
"Kaepernick I think is a great project," Mayock said. "He's got mechanical issues, but he's got a big arm and someone is going to develop him."

Link

Uh kolohe- you need read what you posted in bold. Kaep says he "does not" think he is a project. He does say he know that he is portrayed as such.

He also said in one interview, he is shooting to start asap. Like the movie top gun when Viper says-pretty arrogrant considering the company you are in...Maverick/Colin-yes sir, Viper/Harbaugh-I like that in a fighter pilot/QB...

He doesn't think hes a "Long term project", so what I got out of it, is that he thinks hes a short term maybe 1-2 years. Now I could see if he said he wasn't a project period, then of course I wouldn't have posted it.

WildBill and all the other Kaepernick hopefuls, I don't know why you guys get so worked up when people consider Kaepernick as a project. For all we know, Kaepernick might start from day 1. I won't hold my breath though, but I won't deny his talent either.

Nah, I'm not getting worked up about Colin, I do consider any QB coming into the NFL a project. Just posting the other side of the coin to those who go the other extreme and say that Gabbert should have been the pick or Stanzi or Dalton. Or that Luck is going to be the next Marino or Manning from day one. No one knows that until they step on the field. Easy to blast someone when you are not on the hot seat and don't know whats going on like who Harbaugh wanted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just that people having making assumptions without the facts or knowing the sidtuation.

You watch local TV news anchor Joe Moore? He said, How do you keep from falling down real hard? Don't jump to conclusions. Kaep is who JH wanted and Baalke got the QB for him. As for Luck, all I said was that we don't know how Jim will view Colin after one year with him in comparision to Luck. Also that what JH saw in him has been validated in the press conferences by JH and Baalke and the show on espn just supports what Harbaugh is saying. Not saying Kaep don't make mistakes-you should remember the local boys beat Nevada and Mana Silva caught a deflected pass for an interception. I just love playing devils advocate. against some.
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Wild, he's not a project, he's a prospect.
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GUys,

I didnt have a chance to read every post so idk if anyone posted what I am about to add to the thread.

Please enough with Andrew Luck, the kid is amazing and will prob be an all-pro QB but to draft him we need to be picking top 1-2 depending on who has the top pick next year. We will not be. So let's please forget it.

This league is entirely about coaching, and specifically scheme and QB grooming, we may have in our Head Coach, one of the birghtest young minds in football who knows how to develop a QB.

Andrew Luck was not always "Andrew Luck", Jim Harbaugh molded that young man into one of the best QB prospects to be spoken of since Peyton.

Colin Kaeparnick, who is tremendously gifted as an athlete, who is 6'4.5 230 lbs and has a rocket launcher for an arm, is and was Harbaugh's guy the whole time, whom he personally wanted even over Andy Dalton.

CK can be developed into a QB that we as the fans will come to love if we just support him and stand behind him and let Harbaugh do his thing.

Remember when JH was with the Raiders he graded Romo as a 2nd round QB and Carr as a 6th round QB. He may see something in Kaep that we may not see yet, but I am ready to give this kid a chance after "redshirting" this year.
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Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Even Kaepernick says hes a project:

Quote:

I’m portrayed as a little bit more of a raw athlete than quarterbacks that run an NFL-style system, but this week I really wanted to show that my physical tools, my footwork is pretty fine tuned,” said Kaepernick, who passed for 10,098 yards, threw for 82 touchdowns and rushed for another 59 scores in his four seasons. “I’m not a long-term project going into the NFL.”

Mayock seems to think so too:

Quote:
"Kaepernick I think is a great project," Mayock said. "He's got mechanical issues, but he's got a big arm and someone is going to develop him."

Link

Uh kolohe- you need read what you posted in bold. Kaep says he "does not" think he is a project. He does say he know that he is portrayed as such.

He also said in one interview, he is shooting to start asap. Like the movie top gun when Viper says-pretty arrogrant considering the company you are in...Maverick/Colin-yes sir, Viper/Harbaugh-I like that in a fighter pilot/QB...

He doesn't think hes a "Long term project", so what I got out of it, is that he thinks hes a short term maybe 1-2 years. Now I could see if he said he wasn't a project period, then of course I wouldn't have posted it.

WildBill and all the other Kaepernick hopefuls, I don't know why you guys get so worked up when people consider Kaepernick as a project. For all we know, Kaepernick might start from day 1. I won't hold my breath though, but I won't deny his talent either.

Nah, I'm not getting worked up about Colin, I do consider any QB coming into the NFL a project. Just posting the other side of the coin to those who go the other extreme and say that Gabbert should have been the pick or Stanzi or Dalton. Or that Luck is going to be the next Marino or Manning from day one. No one knows that until they step on the field. Easy to blast someone when you are not on the hot seat and don't know whats going on like who Harbaugh wanted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just that people having making assumptions without the facts or knowing the sidtuation.

You watch local TV news anchor Joe Moore? He said, How do you keep from falling down real hard? Don't jump to conclusions. Kaep is who JH wanted and Baalke got the QB for him. As for Luck, all I said was that we don't know how Jim will view Colin after one year with him in comparision to Luck. Also that what JH saw in him has been validated in the press conferences by JH and Baalke and the show on espn just supports what Harbaugh is saying. Not saying Kaep don't make mistakes-you should remember the local boys beat Nevada and Mana Silva caught a deflected pass for an interception. I just love playing devils advocate. against some.

Good to see someone from Hawaii playing devils advocate, especially since we've seen him play against us for so many years. That's pretty much where my reasons of Kaepernick being a project at the next level. Shoot Colt Brennan would've definitely been a project if he came out his Jr. year and he was considered a late 1st-early 2nd round pick back then. And not to show my bias or anything, but Colt Brennan in college (keywords "in college"), was a much better passer than Kaepernick, and it definitely was taking time for him to adjust to the Pro's.

But with that aside, getting back to the original topic to this thread, Yes, if Alex Smith and Kaepernick do indeed struugle next year, we MUST draft Andrew Luck.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Even Kaepernick says hes a project:

Quote:

I’m portrayed as a little bit more of a raw athlete than quarterbacks that run an NFL-style system, but this week I really wanted to show that my physical tools, my footwork is pretty fine tuned,” said Kaepernick, who passed for 10,098 yards, threw for 82 touchdowns and rushed for another 59 scores in his four seasons. “I’m not a long-term project going into the NFL.”

Mayock seems to think so too:

Quote:
"Kaepernick I think is a great project," Mayock said. "He's got mechanical issues, but he's got a big arm and someone is going to develop him."

Link

Uh kolohe- you need read what you posted in bold. Kaep says he "does not" think he is a project. He does say he know that he is portrayed as such.

He also said in one interview, he is shooting to start asap. Like the movie top gun when Viper says-pretty arrogrant considering the company you are in...Maverick/Colin-yes sir, Viper/Harbaugh-I like that in a fighter pilot/QB...

He doesn't think hes a "Long term project", so what I got out of it, is that he thinks hes a short term maybe 1-2 years. Now I could see if he said he wasn't a project period, then of course I wouldn't have posted it.

WildBill and all the other Kaepernick hopefuls, I don't know why you guys get so worked up when people consider Kaepernick as a project. For all we know, Kaepernick might start from day 1. I won't hold my breath though, but I won't deny his talent either.

Nah, I'm not getting worked up about Colin, I do consider any QB coming into the NFL a project. Just posting the other side of the coin to those who go the other extreme and say that Gabbert should have been the pick or Stanzi or Dalton. Or that Luck is going to be the next Marino or Manning from day one. No one knows that until they step on the field. Easy to blast someone when you are not on the hot seat and don't know whats going on like who Harbaugh wanted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just that people having making assumptions without the facts or knowing the sidtuation.

You watch local TV news anchor Joe Moore? He said, How do you keep from falling down real hard? Don't jump to conclusions. Kaep is who JH wanted and Baalke got the QB for him. As for Luck, all I said was that we don't know how Jim will view Colin after one year with him in comparision to Luck. Also that what JH saw in him has been validated in the press conferences by JH and Baalke and the show on espn just supports what Harbaugh is saying. Not saying Kaep don't make mistakes-you should remember the local boys beat Nevada and Mana Silva caught a deflected pass for an interception. I just love playing devils advocate. against some.

Good to see someone from Hawaii playing devils advocate, especially since we've seen him play against us for so many years. That's pretty much where my reasons of Kaepernick being a project at the next level. Shoot Colt Brennan would've definitely been a project if he came out his Jr. year and he was considered a late 1st-early 2nd round pick back then. And not to show my bias or anything, but Colt Brennan in college (keywords "in college"), was a much better passer than Kaepernick, and it definitely was taking time for him to adjust to the Pro's.

But with that aside, getting back to the original topic to this thread, Yes, if Alex Smith and Kaepernick do indeed struugle next year, we MUST draft Andrew Luck.

In Harbaugh I trust..at least when it comes to luck. Harbaugh knows the kid...if Alex and Colin don't show signs of life and Harbaugh doesn't make a move...it tells me something...and I won't be mad. If he sells the draft to get the kid, then that'll tell me something also. It didn't work out so bad for the Giants.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Wild, he's not a project, he's a prospect.

still with this bs?
Originally posted by mayo49:
Wild, he's not a project, he's a prospect.

You say toe may to and I say toe ma toe...toe may to, toe ma toe.lalalalalala
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Even Kaepernick says hes a project:

Quote:

I’m portrayed as a little bit more of a raw athlete than quarterbacks that run an NFL-style system, but this week I really wanted to show that my physical tools, my footwork is pretty fine tuned,” said Kaepernick, who passed for 10,098 yards, threw for 82 touchdowns and rushed for another 59 scores in his four seasons. “I’m not a long-term project going into the NFL.”

Mayock seems to think so too:

Quote:
"Kaepernick I think is a great project," Mayock said. "He's got mechanical issues, but he's got a big arm and someone is going to develop him."

Link

Uh kolohe- you need read what you posted in bold. Kaep says he "does not" think he is a project. He does say he know that he is portrayed as such.

He also said in one interview, he is shooting to start asap. Like the movie top gun when Viper says-pretty arrogrant considering the company you are in...Maverick/Colin-yes sir, Viper/Harbaugh-I like that in a fighter pilot/QB...

He doesn't think hes a "Long term project", so what I got out of it, is that he thinks hes a short term maybe 1-2 years. Now I could see if he said he wasn't a project period, then of course I wouldn't have posted it.

WildBill and all the other Kaepernick hopefuls, I don't know why you guys get so worked up when people consider Kaepernick as a project. For all we know, Kaepernick might start from day 1. I won't hold my breath though, but I won't deny his talent either.

Nah, I'm not getting worked up about Colin, I do consider any QB coming into the NFL a project. Just posting the other side of the coin to those who go the other extreme and say that Gabbert should have been the pick or Stanzi or Dalton. Or that Luck is going to be the next Marino or Manning from day one. No one knows that until they step on the field. Easy to blast someone when you are not on the hot seat and don't know whats going on like who Harbaugh wanted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just that people having making assumptions without the facts or knowing the sidtuation.

You watch local TV news anchor Joe Moore? He said, How do you keep from falling down real hard? Don't jump to conclusions. Kaep is who JH wanted and Baalke got the QB for him. As for Luck, all I said was that we don't know how Jim will view Colin after one year with him in comparision to Luck. Also that what JH saw in him has been validated in the press conferences by JH and Baalke and the show on espn just supports what Harbaugh is saying. Not saying Kaep don't make mistakes-you should remember the local boys beat Nevada and Mana Silva caught a deflected pass for an interception. I just love playing devils advocate. against some.

Good to see someone from Hawaii playing devils advocate, especially since we've seen him play against us for so many years. That's pretty much where my reasons of Kaepernick being a project at the next level. Shoot Colt Brennan would've definitely been a project if he came out his Jr. year and he was considered a late 1st-early 2nd round pick back then. And not to show my bias or anything, but Colt Brennan in college (keywords "in college"), was a much better passer than Kaepernick, and it definitely was taking time for him to adjust to the Pro's.

But with that aside, getting back to the original topic to this thread, Yes, if Alex Smith and Kaepernick do indeed struugle next year, we MUST draft Andrew Luck.

College is college...if he played for June Jones, his numbers would be out of this world, his numbers relegated to coach aults play calling, he scored what...20 TDs on the ground? I am honest when talking about Hawaii players, he didn't have the arm and his numbers are inflated as you know because of the scheme, Kaep's was not because the pistol didn't just shoot it also tried to pistol whip you upside the head.

Anyway, yes if the two fail and Luck is there then by all means, but what if Kaep is way ahead of what Luck was in his first year and go farther than Luck. Like take one step back to take two steps foward and two steps after that, where as the other guy is one step forward, then another step forward, meaning Kaep is steps from the line while Luck is two steps. Of course we don't know until after this year and only JH will truly have that insight and his actual actions will predicate his intentions.
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Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Even Kaepernick says hes a project:

Quote:

I’m portrayed as a little bit more of a raw athlete than quarterbacks that run an NFL-style system, but this week I really wanted to show that my physical tools, my footwork is pretty fine tuned,” said Kaepernick, who passed for 10,098 yards, threw for 82 touchdowns and rushed for another 59 scores in his four seasons. “I’m not a long-term project going into the NFL.”

Mayock seems to think so too:

Quote:
"Kaepernick I think is a great project," Mayock said. "He's got mechanical issues, but he's got a big arm and someone is going to develop him."

Link

Uh kolohe- you need read what you posted in bold. Kaep says he "does not" think he is a project. He does say he know that he is portrayed as such.

He also said in one interview, he is shooting to start asap. Like the movie top gun when Viper says-pretty arrogrant considering the company you are in...Maverick/Colin-yes sir, Viper/Harbaugh-I like that in a fighter pilot/QB...

He doesn't think hes a "Long term project", so what I got out of it, is that he thinks hes a short term maybe 1-2 years. Now I could see if he said he wasn't a project period, then of course I wouldn't have posted it.

WildBill and all the other Kaepernick hopefuls, I don't know why you guys get so worked up when people consider Kaepernick as a project. For all we know, Kaepernick might start from day 1. I won't hold my breath though, but I won't deny his talent either.

Nah, I'm not getting worked up about Colin, I do consider any QB coming into the NFL a project. Just posting the other side of the coin to those who go the other extreme and say that Gabbert should have been the pick or Stanzi or Dalton. Or that Luck is going to be the next Marino or Manning from day one. No one knows that until they step on the field. Easy to blast someone when you are not on the hot seat and don't know whats going on like who Harbaugh wanted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, just that people having making assumptions without the facts or knowing the sidtuation.

You watch local TV news anchor Joe Moore? He said, How do you keep from falling down real hard? Don't jump to conclusions. Kaep is who JH wanted and Baalke got the QB for him. As for Luck, all I said was that we don't know how Jim will view Colin after one year with him in comparision to Luck. Also that what JH saw in him has been validated in the press conferences by JH and Baalke and the show on espn just supports what Harbaugh is saying. Not saying Kaep don't make mistakes-you should remember the local boys beat Nevada and Mana Silva caught a deflected pass for an interception. I just love playing devils advocate. against some.

Good to see someone from Hawaii playing devils advocate, especially since we've seen him play against us for so many years. That's pretty much where my reasons of Kaepernick being a project at the next level. Shoot Colt Brennan would've definitely been a project if he came out his Jr. year and he was considered a late 1st-early 2nd round pick back then. And not to show my bias or anything, but Colt Brennan in college (keywords "in college"), was a much better passer than Kaepernick, and it definitely was taking time for him to adjust to the Pro's.

But with that aside, getting back to the original topic to this thread, Yes, if Alex Smith and Kaepernick do indeed struugle next year, we MUST draft Andrew Luck.

College is college...if he played for June Jones, his numbers would be out of this world, his numbers relegated to coach aults play calling, he scored what...20 TDs on the ground? I am honest when talking about Hawaii players, he didn't have the arm and his numbers are inflated as you know because of the scheme, Kaep's was not because the pistol didn't just shoot it also tried to pistol whip you upside the head.

Anyway, yes if the two fail and Luck is there then by all means, but what if Kaep is way ahead of what Luck was in his first year and go farther than Luck. Like take one step back to take two steps foward and two steps after that, where as the other guy is one step forward, then another step forward, meaning Kaep is steps from the line while Luck is two steps. Of course we don't know until after this year and only JH will truly have that insight and his actual actions will predicate his intentions.

Kaepernicks were not??? C'mon man, that's just crazy, Kaepernick was in a zone read offense that didn't have progressions. It was pretty much one-read option. Kaepernick wasn't/isn't a pocket passer, Brennan was and still had a hard time adjusting to the NFL, why would Kaepernick have a easier transition?? Why, arm-strength, if that's the case Druckenmiller should've been an All-Pro sitting behind Steve Young with a cannon for an arm and QB guru Steve Marriucci as HC.

So in the end your basically telling me, Kaepernick will have no problem whatsoever transitioning to the NFL and could start from day 1??

Most people in the football world call Kaepernick a project, but us 9er fans think hes not, but a prospect.

Prospect - Players coming from college that can be good at the next level.

Project - Player that will take time to transition while IN the NFL.
Jakemall hit the nail on the head. The 9ers have the perfect person to evaluate Luck as an NFL prospect and if he decides to go after him I would give him carte blanche. If he passes we will know that his trust in CK and/or AS is real.

Luck's performance last year was special. He made extremely good decisions and was much better than Locker was the year before...in a pro style offense.

My hope would be that Harbaugh likes CK/AS so much that the 9ers can use the pick(s) on other needs...WR, CB, etc.
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by ritchie:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by ritchie:
Yes. Move Kap to Cornerback where he belongs.

Put him at nose tackle because Franklin is leaving.

Not a bad idea at all sus...Our NT would have the best arm of any other NT in the NFL!!!

Thats only a good idea if Fiago decides to run a 2-Gap 3-4.

i dunno i still think nedney would make the best NT

Not sure about Nedney, but i wouldn't bet against the kicker we got from the Steelers at the end of the season.