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If we got the 1st pick next year, do we take Luck even though we've got Kap?

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Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Chief:
You don't pass up the best QB prospect in years because you have a project. So yah, if that happens we better draft him.

Kaepernick isnt a project. We used an early 2nd rounder on him. Projects are more 4th-7th round guys. Kap has the tools to be very good.

So you think Kaepernick is a finished product, ready to start from day one?? All QB's are projects coming outta college. Only two QB's I've seen outta college could make the transition right away and that's Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. And Kaepernick is anything BUT a sure thing. Kaepernick absolutely falls under the project list, trying to turn a gimmick QB into a NFL starting QB is always a project, a strong arm and mobility doesn't exclude anyone from being a project.
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Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Chief:
You don't pass up the best QB prospect in years because you have a project. So yah, if that happens we better draft him.

Kaepernick isnt a project. We used an early 2nd rounder on him. Projects are more 4th-7th round guys. Kap has the tools to be very good.

So you think Kaepernick is a finished product, ready to start from day one?? All QB's are projects coming outta college. Only two QB's I've seen outta college could make the transition right away and that's Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. And Kaepernick is anything BUT a sure thing. Kaepernick absolutely falls under the project list, trying to turn a gimmick QB into a NFL starting QB is always a project, a strong arm and mobility doesn't exclude anyone from being a project.

I hate the word project. I rather say he's green. A project to me is someone like Nate Davis.
Originally posted by ghostrider:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Janitor:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Here's a novel idea, why dont we wait to see how Luck looks in a year without Harbaugh? Just a thought.

That's what I was thinking. What if Luck does awful this year? Then what?

Bradford didn't even play the season at Oklahoma and he still went #1 overall. Even if Luck stinks it up, he'll still go top #5.

For sure. If Locker can go #8 after his disappointing season and not be able hit the broad side of a barn, Luck will go top-5.

This is what I was thinking. Locker had about as bad a senior season as you could possibly have, 3 games with single digit completions, regression in just about every stat, and just plain looked horrible at times, and he still went 8th.
Yes. Move Kap to Cornerback where he belongs.
Originally posted by ritchie:
Yes. Move Kap to Cornerback where he belongs.

Put him at nose tackle because Franklin is leaving.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Chief:
You don't pass up the best QB prospect in years because you have a project. So yah, if that happens we better draft him.

Kaepernick isnt a project. We used an early 2nd rounder on him. Projects are more 4th-7th round guys. Kap has the tools to be very good.

So you think Kaepernick is a finished product, ready to start from day one?? All QB's are projects coming outta college. Only two QB's I've seen outta college could make the transition right away and that's Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. And Kaepernick is anything BUT a sure thing. Kaepernick absolutely falls under the project list, trying to turn a gimmick QB into a NFL starting QB is always a project, a strong arm and mobility doesn't exclude anyone from being a project.

It depends on how you define project then. I dont see an early 2nd round QB as a project. like another poster said, a project is someone like Nate Davis. just a stab in the dark at someone no one really wanted. Kap doesnt have nearly enough flaws to be considered a project. Harbaugh just has to tinker with his mechanics a bit, but the talent is all there.

If you base your definition of project in that criteria, then just about every draft pick is a project. nobody is a sure thing, and everyone needs some coaching to be molding into a successful NFL player. its not really fair to say "well, Kap isnt a surefire NFL star like Peyton Manning, hes just a project". i think theres a middle ground. "prospect" is more the word.
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by ritchie:
Yes. Move Kap to Cornerback where he belongs.

Put him at nose tackle because Franklin is leaving.

Not a bad idea at all sus...Our NT would have the best arm of any other NT in the NFL!!!
Originally posted by ritchie:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by ritchie:
Yes. Move Kap to Cornerback where he belongs.

Put him at nose tackle because Franklin is leaving.

Not a bad idea at all sus...Our NT would have the best arm of any other NT in the NFL!!!

Thats only a good idea if Fiago decides to run a 2-Gap 3-4.
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Originally posted by ritchie:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by ritchie:
Yes. Move Kap to Cornerback where he belongs.

Put him at nose tackle because Franklin is leaving.

Not a bad idea at all sus...Our NT would have the best arm of any other NT in the NFL!!!

Thats only a good idea if Fiago decides to run a 2-Gap 3-4.

i dunno i still think nedney would make the best NT
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Chief:
You don't pass up the best QB prospect in years because you have a project. So yah, if that happens we better draft him.

Kaepernick isnt a project. We used an early 2nd rounder on him. Projects are more 4th-7th round guys. Kap has the tools to be very good.

So you think Kaepernick is a finished product, ready to start from day one?? All QB's are projects coming outta college. Only two QB's I've seen outta college could make the transition right away and that's Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. And Kaepernick is anything BUT a sure thing. Kaepernick absolutely falls under the project list, trying to turn a gimmick QB into a NFL starting QB is always a project, a strong arm and mobility doesn't exclude anyone from being a project.

It depends on how you define project then. I dont see an early 2nd round QB as a project. like another poster said, a project is someone like Nate Davis. just a stab in the dark at someone no one really wanted. Kap doesnt have nearly enough flaws to be considered a project. Harbaugh just has to tinker with his mechanics a bit, but the talent is all there.

If you base your definition of project in that criteria, then just about every draft pick is a project. nobody is a sure thing, and everyone needs some coaching to be molding into a successful NFL player. its not really fair to say "well, Kap isnt a surefire NFL star like Peyton Manning, hes just a project". i think theres a middle ground. "prospect" is more the word.

Now why is Nate Davis more of a project than Kaepernick?? Why, because of draft status, seems to be the only reason. I mean both came from gimmicky offenses in college, both have the same inconsistent footwork/mechanics. And I think you just answered why Kaepernick is considered a project "Harbaugh has to tinker with his mechanics" BINGO.

But IMO, why Manning was such a surefire in so many eyes compared to Kaepernick??? Much easier transition from college to the NFL, Manning new how to read defenses like no other in college, mechanics didn't need to be touched, bloodline, only thing that was needed was him to master a NFL playbook. With Kaepernick, hes gonna need to know how to go through his progressions while taking a 3 and 5 step drop. Not to mention while dropping back hes gonna need to learn how to make timely passes, also something hes never done in college. Sure hes got some time with OTA's, minicamps and TC, but we all know game time is a much different tune than what they see in practice.
If Luck is there, you have to take him. I would not be suprised if they traded a few spots to get him. If Kap develops nicely and then you get Luck, then you could potentially have two good QB's heading into 2012. Luck is Harbaugh's guy, if there is even a chance to get him, he will take him.

The only way I don't see this happening is if Kap comes in midseason and just blows everyones socks off. If he has a stellar rookie season, they would not likely take a QB in the first or second. If he is still riding the bench, or plays little and shows work is still needed, they will take a QB early if available.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Chief:
You don't pass up the best QB prospect in years because you have a project. So yah, if that happens we better draft him.

Kaepernick isnt a project. We used an early 2nd rounder on him. Projects are more 4th-7th round guys. Kap has the tools to be very good.

So you think Kaepernick is a finished product, ready to start from day one?? All QB's are projects coming outta college. Only two QB's I've seen outta college could make the transition right away and that's Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. And Kaepernick is anything BUT a sure thing. Kaepernick absolutely falls under the project list, trying to turn a gimmick QB into a NFL starting QB is always a project, a strong arm and mobility doesn't exclude anyone from being a project.

It depends on how you define project then. I dont see an early 2nd round QB as a project. like another poster said, a project is someone like Nate Davis. just a stab in the dark at someone no one really wanted. Kap doesnt have nearly enough flaws to be considered a project. Harbaugh just has to tinker with his mechanics a bit, but the talent is all there.

If you base your definition of project in that criteria, then just about every draft pick is a project. nobody is a sure thing, and everyone needs some coaching to be molding into a successful NFL player. its not really fair to say "well, Kap isnt a surefire NFL star like Peyton Manning, hes just a project". i think theres a middle ground. "prospect" is more the word.

I agree with this. Klohe just said that every QB coming out is a project, then turns around and says Colin is because he is from a gimmick offense. So the correct word should be PROSPECT.
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Originally posted by ninernutt:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Chief:
You don't pass up the best QB prospect in years because you have a project. So yah, if that happens we better draft him.

Kaepernick isnt a project. We used an early 2nd rounder on him. Projects are more 4th-7th round guys. Kap has the tools to be very good.

So you think Kaepernick is a finished product, ready to start from day one?? All QB's are projects coming outta college. Only two QB's I've seen outta college could make the transition right away and that's Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. And Kaepernick is anything BUT a sure thing. Kaepernick absolutely falls under the project list, trying to turn a gimmick QB into a NFL starting QB is always a project, a strong arm and mobility doesn't exclude anyone from being a project.

It depends on how you define project then. I dont see an early 2nd round QB as a project. like another poster said, a project is someone like Nate Davis. just a stab in the dark at someone no one really wanted. Kap doesnt have nearly enough flaws to be considered a project. Harbaugh just has to tinker with his mechanics a bit, but the talent is all there.

If you base your definition of project in that criteria, then just about every draft pick is a project. nobody is a sure thing, and everyone needs some coaching to be molding into a successful NFL player. its not really fair to say "well, Kap isnt a surefire NFL star like Peyton Manning, hes just a project". i think theres a middle ground. "prospect" is more the word.

I agree with this. Klohe just said that every QB coming out is a project, then turns around and says Colin is because he is from a gimmick offense. So the correct word should be PROSPECT.

Yah nevermind scrolling down or anything.
Originally posted by ninernutt:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Chief:
You don't pass up the best QB prospect in years because you have a project. So yah, if that happens we better draft him.

Kaepernick isnt a project. We used an early 2nd rounder on him. Projects are more 4th-7th round guys. Kap has the tools to be very good.

So you think Kaepernick is a finished product, ready to start from day one?? All QB's are projects coming outta college. Only two QB's I've seen outta college could make the transition right away and that's Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. And Kaepernick is anything BUT a sure thing. Kaepernick absolutely falls under the project list, trying to turn a gimmick QB into a NFL starting QB is always a project, a strong arm and mobility doesn't exclude anyone from being a project.

It depends on how you define project then. I dont see an early 2nd round QB as a project. like another poster said, a project is someone like Nate Davis. just a stab in the dark at someone no one really wanted. Kap doesnt have nearly enough flaws to be considered a project. Harbaugh just has to tinker with his mechanics a bit, but the talent is all there.

If you base your definition of project in that criteria, then just about every draft pick is a project. nobody is a sure thing, and everyone needs some coaching to be molding into a successful NFL player. its not really fair to say "well, Kap isnt a surefire NFL star like Peyton Manning, hes just a project". i think theres a middle ground. "prospect" is more the word.

I agree with this. Klohe just said that every QB coming out is a project, then turns around and says Colin is because he is from a gimmick offense. So the correct word should be PROSPECT.

I dont see how a QB who ran a lot and played in a gimmicky pistol offense isnt a project. Just because you are talented doesnt mean you aren't a project. He is going to need to learn pro game footwork dropping back from center, the timing of the WCO, probably shorten up his delivery, work on staying in the pocket and being more of a pocket passer, learn how to read NFL defenses, and learn how to go through progressions in the WCO. Just because you're talented doesnt mean you're not a project. Project is a player who needs a lot of practice work before they can play and needs some coaching. Prospect is a player that hasn't been drafted yet and could be good. Therefor project is the correct title.

FYI plenty of talented QBs have been projects. Donovan McNabb was a project who didnt play at all in his first year, Alex SMith was a project who needed more time to learn and wasnt handled correctly and was somewhat damaged from that IMO, Aaron Rodgers was more pro ready than any of these guys and Kaepernick and he waited 3 years to start and he got better from all that practice, there have been plenty of talented QBs who were projects.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Chief:
You don't pass up the best QB prospect in years because you have a project. So yah, if that happens we better draft him.

Kaepernick isnt a project. We used an early 2nd rounder on him. Projects are more 4th-7th round guys. Kap has the tools to be very good.

So you think Kaepernick is a finished product, ready to start from day one?? All QB's are projects coming outta college. Only two QB's I've seen outta college could make the transition right away and that's Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan. And Kaepernick is anything BUT a sure thing. Kaepernick absolutely falls under the project list, trying to turn a gimmick QB into a NFL starting QB is always a project, a strong arm and mobility doesn't exclude anyone from being a project.

I hate the word project. I rather say he's green. A project to me is someone like Nate Davis.

a project to me is someone like alan parsons
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