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Dangling Peterson could push us over the top?

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Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Could dangling a trade for Peterson at #7 to the patriots for their 2 first rounders and a trade of 2nd rounders put the 49ers over the top in terms of talent to fill some holes in our defensive back field and pass-rushers and quaterback? Let me know what you think about this trade scenario!

1. New England doesn't trade up. This is about the 9th year in a row fans have mocked NE trading up and it never happens. They're smarter than the rest of the league. If they don't need a pick this year they'll trade that pick for a pick next year.

2. New England is in the market for a pass rusher not a corner. They drafted their corner last year and he's a stud.

3. You don't pass on Peterson.

They'll do it for Peterson you watch!

Only if you become their GM by draft time, because that doesn't sound like a NE draft day to me.

Remember that NE is probably one or two players away on defense and Peterson would fulfill one of those spots! Sf is not one or two players away like NE, so it would make sense to do this trade and this would give NE a ty Law type of player that they have missed!! If Sf have peterson looking at them at #7 Ne will come a calling you can mark my words!!

New England's secondary is fine. If they draft Peterson they're still 2 players away because they have no pass rushers. Literally Tully Banta Cain is their best pass rusher. They're secondary is young but good and improving. Their front 7 is ageing and untalented.

Take off your homer glasses go to a Patriots boarld and tell me how many people agree with you. Just because you the Niner fan wants it to happen because it helps us out dramatically doesn't mean New England's gonna think that way.

Nothing is absolute but I got a funny feeling that Billicheck is drooling over this guy!

New England drool's for no defensive player, Tom Brady is the glue or should I say cement that holds that franchise together. Besides they have a bunch of young up and coming starters in their secondary, Pat Chung, their star rookie Devin McCourty, B. Merriweather, Darius Butler, Kyle Arrington who stepped up this year or showed some flashes of being more than a P-squader. Tully Banta-Cain was their best pass rusher last year, no doubt they will wait and see who falls to them with one of their 1st round picks. I see them waiting for Kerrigan or Aldon Smith.
I had a dangling peterson once.

A little penicillin cleared that right up.
Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
A square is four right dangles.

how many dangles make a cube?

Well I don't give a dangle.
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
If Peterson is there, we have to strongly consider drafting him. Pats are not stupid to offer two 1st rounders and a swap of 2nd rounder for 1 player who plays CB

Yeah but if we can get two first for peterson then we've got to consider the move!

But why would the Pats make that move? They are not known for jumping up, they're more known for moving back, thus giving them more picks......

Than again, if there is a rookie salary cap/structure............maybe that would change the way the Patriots draft?
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Could dangling a trade for Peterson at #7 to the patriots for their 2 first rounders and a trade of 2nd rounders put the 49ers over the top in terms of talent to fill some holes in our defensive back field and pass-rushers and quaterback? Let me know what you think about this trade scenario!

1. New England doesn't trade up. This is about the 9th year in a row fans have mocked NE trading up and it never happens. They're smarter than the rest of the league. If they don't need a pick this year they'll trade that pick for a pick next year.

2. New England is in the market for a pass rusher not a corner. They drafted their corner last year and he's a stud.

3. You don't pass on Peterson.

They'll do it for Peterson you watch!

Only if you become their GM by draft time, because that doesn't sound like a NE draft day to me.

Remember that NE is probably one or two players away on defense and Peterson would fulfill one of those spots! Sf is not one or two players away like NE, so it would make sense to do this trade and this would give NE a ty Law type of player that they have missed!! If Sf have peterson looking at them at #7 Ne will come a calling you can mark my words!!

New England's secondary is fine. If they draft Peterson they're still 2 players away because they have no pass rushers. Literally Tully Banta Cain is their best pass rusher. They're secondary is young but good and improving. Their front 7 is ageing and untalented.

Take off your homer glasses go to a Patriots boarld and tell me how many people agree with you. Just because you the Niner fan wants it to happen because it helps us out dramatically doesn't mean New England's gonna think that way.

Nothing is absolute but I got a funny feeling that Billicheck is drooling over this guy!

New England drool's for no defensive player, Tom Brady is the glue or should I say cement that holds that franchise together. Besides they have a bunch of young up and coming starters in their secondary, Pat Chung, their star rookie Devin McCourty, B. Merriweather, Darius Butler, Kyle Arrington who stepped up this year or showed some flashes of being more than a P-squader. Tully Banta-Cain was their best pass rusher last year, no doubt they will wait and see who falls to them with one of their 1st round picks. I see them waiting for Kerrigan or Aldon Smith.

Their offensive line situation is becoming a mess too. Light's getting up there and is a free agent, Neal just retired, and Mankins has a never ending franchise tag on him. They're not trading up big time for anyone.

I really think they saw the importance of their line after missing Mankins for half of the year because of contract problems. I see multiple picks on the line this coming draft.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!

Peterson has way too much talent to become Tyrone Drakeford. He has the best feet in the draft, he's got a ton of athleticism, great size, and good hands and pretty good hips. That's like saying "yeah but what if Peyton Manning turns into Derek AndersoN!?"

I bet you were a ryan leaf fan to right! I bet you thought he'd be good to right! Yeah the draft is a total crap shoot you never know what you are really getting!

lol no I was just a kid when Ryan Leaf was getting picked, I was like 7 or 8. But I mean, I feel like I've seen enough of Peterson to say he wont turn out to be Tyrone Drakeford dude. QB is a different animal since it involves leadership, decision making, and ability to react and go through reads quickly. CB is a way different position because the stuff they do in college doesnt change nearly as much as the way a QB goes about things.

TO be honest, I've suggested trading back before. But not if Peterson is there.

You can never can't say you don't know how he'll turn out........Peterson may end up like R.W.McQuarters or a Pacman Jones. You never know what will happen. Peterson is just one player, if you can come away with 2 or 3 really good players for just one, you do the trade.

Over the last 10 years top rated corners have been about as safe as it gets in the draft. You can just as easily end up with a bust and 2 role players with a trade. Me personally I want the elite player.

I've actually found that to be incorrect.
Drafting Underclassmen in the First Round Can Be a Real Gamble
Positional Value
What Position is the Safest Best in the First Round
1st Round Underclassmen Cornerbacks Success Rate Using Approximate Value

Besides that it's not smart value to take a CB in the top 15.
2010-Joe Haden #7 - Good rookie season
2009-Malcolm Jenkins #14- Had to be converted to Safety
2008-Leodis McKelvin #11- Underachieving.
2007-Darrelle Revis #14- Great CB.
2006-Tye Hill #15 - Bust.
2005-Adam Jones #6 - Bust.
Antrell Rolle #8 - Coverted to Safety.
Carlos Rogers #9 - Underachiever.
2004-DeAngelo Hall #8- 3 Time Pro-Bowler
Dunta Robinson #10- Good CB. 0 Pro-Bowls
2003-Terence Newman #5- Good CB, has fallen off lately. 1 Pro-Bowl.
Marcus Trufant #11- Good CB, 1 Pro-Bowl.
2002- Quentin Jammer #5- Underachiever
2001- Nate Clements #21- We all know about Nate.
2000- Deltha O'Neal #15- Had a couple good years. 2 time Pro-Bowl

That is the 11 years, with the CBs drafted in the top 15 picks or the highest drafted. Notice a trend? Highly drafted CBs have a high failure rate. So theoretically, if you are going to draft a CB, you'll want to wait til the last half of the 1st round to draft a CB (DRC #16, McCourty #27, Nmamdi #31, J.Joseph #24). Drafting a CB at #7 is not a good value pick. Best value is drafting a LB at #7 or trading down in the draft to pick up a CB.

So in the case of the question, if we were offered to trade down and could pick up a CB and an extra player or 2. Then it's more value to do so.
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by 80849er4life:
If we have a chance to take Peterson at 7 and we give him away.....im gonna quit watching football.

three players in the top 33 is a steal my friend!

Having the best cb to comeout in 10 years is a bigger steal
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Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!

Peterson has way too much talent to become Tyrone Drakeford. He has the best feet in the draft, he's got a ton of athleticism, great size, and good hands and pretty good hips. That's like saying "yeah but what if Peyton Manning turns into Derek AndersoN!?"

I bet you were a ryan leaf fan to right! I bet you thought he'd be good to right! Yeah the draft is a total crap shoot you never know what you are really getting!

lol no I was just a kid when Ryan Leaf was getting picked, I was like 7 or 8. But I mean, I feel like I've seen enough of Peterson to say he wont turn out to be Tyrone Drakeford dude. QB is a different animal since it involves leadership, decision making, and ability to react and go through reads quickly. CB is a way different position because the stuff they do in college doesnt change nearly as much as the way a QB goes about things.

TO be honest, I've suggested trading back before. But not if Peterson is there.

You can never can't say you don't know how he'll turn out........Peterson may end up like R.W.McQuarters or a Pacman Jones. You never know what will happen. Peterson is just one player, if you can come away with 2 or 3 really good players for just one, you do the trade.

Over the last 10 years top rated corners have been about as safe as it gets in the draft. You can just as easily end up with a bust and 2 role players with a trade. Me personally I want the elite player.

I've actually found that to be incorrect.
Drafting Underclassmen in the First Round Can Be a Real Gamble
Positional Value
What Position is the Safest Best in the First Round
1st Round Underclassmen Cornerbacks Success Rate Using Approximate Value

Besides that it's not smart value to take a CB in the top 15.
2010-Joe Haden #7 - Good rookie season
2009-Malcolm Jenkins #14- Had to be converted to Safety
2008-Leodis McKelvin #11- Underachieving.
2007-Darrelle Revis #14- Great CB.
2006-Tye Hill #15 - Bust.
2005-Adam Jones #6 - Bust.
Antrell Rolle #8 - Coverted to Safety.
Carlos Rogers #9 - Underachiever.
2004-DeAngelo Hall #8- 3 Time Pro-Bowler
Dunta Robinson #10- Good CB. 0 Pro-Bowls
2003-Terence Newman #5- Good CB, has fallen off lately. 1 Pro-Bowl.
Marcus Trufant #11- Good CB, 1 Pro-Bowl.
2002- Quentin Jammer #5- Underachiever
2001- Nate Clements #21- We all know about Nate.
2000- Deltha O'Neal #15- Had a couple good years. 2 time Pro-Bowl

That is the 11 years, with the CBs drafted in the top 15 picks or the highest drafted. Notice a trend? Highly drafted CBs have a high failure rate. So theoretically, if you are going to draft a CB, you'll want to wait til the last half of the 1st round to draft a CB (DRC #16, McCourty #27, Nmamdi #31, J.Joseph #24). Drafting a CB at #7 is not a good value pick. Best value is drafting a LB at #7 or trading down in the draft to pick up a CB.

So in the case of the question, if we were offered to trade down and could pick up a CB and an extra player or 2. Then it's more value to do so.

So, if Peterson gets drafted in top 15, he is likely to underachieve, but if Peterson gets drafted in 20s, he is likely to do well?

Again, all this is insignificant. You've to take every case individually. There are no patterns in an NFL draft.
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!

Peterson has way too much talent to become Tyrone Drakeford. He has the best feet in the draft, he's got a ton of athleticism, great size, and good hands and pretty good hips. That's like saying "yeah but what if Peyton Manning turns into Derek AndersoN!?"

I bet you were a ryan leaf fan to right! I bet you thought he'd be good to right! Yeah the draft is a total crap shoot you never know what you are really getting!

lol no I was just a kid when Ryan Leaf was getting picked, I was like 7 or 8. But I mean, I feel like I've seen enough of Peterson to say he wont turn out to be Tyrone Drakeford dude. QB is a different animal since it involves leadership, decision making, and ability to react and go through reads quickly. CB is a way different position because the stuff they do in college doesnt change nearly as much as the way a QB goes about things.

TO be honest, I've suggested trading back before. But not if Peterson is there.

You can never can't say you don't know how he'll turn out........Peterson may end up like R.W.McQuarters or a Pacman Jones. You never know what will happen. Peterson is just one player, if you can come away with 2 or 3 really good players for just one, you do the trade.

Over the last 10 years top rated corners have been about as safe as it gets in the draft. You can just as easily end up with a bust and 2 role players with a trade. Me personally I want the elite player.

I've actually found that to be incorrect.
Drafting Underclassmen in the First Round Can Be a Real Gamble
Positional Value
What Position is the Safest Best in the First Round
1st Round Underclassmen Cornerbacks Success Rate Using Approximate Value

Besides that it's not smart value to take a CB in the top 15.
2010-Joe Haden #7 - Good rookie season
2009-Malcolm Jenkins #14- Had to be converted to Safety
2008-Leodis McKelvin #11- Underachieving.
2007-Darrelle Revis #14- Great CB.
2006-Tye Hill #15 - Bust.
2005-Adam Jones #6 - Bust.
Antrell Rolle #8 - Coverted to Safety.
Carlos Rogers #9 - Underachiever.
2004-DeAngelo Hall #8- 3 Time Pro-Bowler
Dunta Robinson #10- Good CB. 0 Pro-Bowls
2003-Terence Newman #5- Good CB, has fallen off lately. 1 Pro-Bowl.
Marcus Trufant #11- Good CB, 1 Pro-Bowl.
2002- Quentin Jammer #5- Underachiever
2001- Nate Clements #21- We all know about Nate.
2000- Deltha O'Neal #15- Had a couple good years. 2 time Pro-Bowl

That is the 11 years, with the CBs drafted in the top 15 picks or the highest drafted. Notice a trend? Highly drafted CBs have a high failure rate. So theoretically, if you are going to draft a CB, you'll want to wait til the last half of the 1st round to draft a CB (DRC #16, McCourty #27, Nmamdi #31, J.Joseph #24). Drafting a CB at #7 is not a good value pick. Best value is drafting a LB at #7 or trading down in the draft to pick up a CB.

So in the case of the question, if we were offered to trade down and could pick up a CB and an extra player or 2. Then it's more value to do so.

So, if Peterson gets drafted in top 15, he is likely to underachieve, but if Peterson gets drafted in 20s, he is likely to do well?

Again, all this is insignificant. You've to take every case individually. There are no patterns in an NFL draft.

Your point is valid. But if you can come away with 3 really good players or 1 really good player.......which do you do? We are not 1 CB away from being a Super Bowl team. Teams are built by drafting smart. There's a reason teams don't pick CBs in the top 15, it's because the value isn't there. If you trade down, and pick up a CB and get other players, the value is worth more. The original question was "Could dangling a trade for Peterson at #7 to the patriots for their 2 first rounders and a trade of 2nd rounders put the 49ers over the top in terms of talent to fill some holes in our defensive back field and pass-rushers and quaterback?" So in response to that. Do you pick 1 good player, or go for 3 good players? If we had the 3 other picks, we could get a LB (ex:Kerrigan), a CB (ex:Jimmy Smith), and a QB (ex:Ponder). Your telling me you'd rather have Peterson over those 3? That's the question he asked. And I believe I've shown why it's not smart to draft a CB high, but get better value later in the round.
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!

Peterson has way too much talent to become Tyrone Drakeford. He has the best feet in the draft, he's got a ton of athleticism, great size, and good hands and pretty good hips. That's like saying "yeah but what if Peyton Manning turns into Derek AndersoN!?"

I bet you were a ryan leaf fan to right! I bet you thought he'd be good to right! Yeah the draft is a total crap shoot you never know what you are really getting!

lol no I was just a kid when Ryan Leaf was getting picked, I was like 7 or 8. But I mean, I feel like I've seen enough of Peterson to say he wont turn out to be Tyrone Drakeford dude. QB is a different animal since it involves leadership, decision making, and ability to react and go through reads quickly. CB is a way different position because the stuff they do in college doesnt change nearly as much as the way a QB goes about things.

TO be honest, I've suggested trading back before. But not if Peterson is there.

You can never can't say you don't know how he'll turn out........Peterson may end up like R.W.McQuarters or a Pacman Jones. You never know what will happen. Peterson is just one player, if you can come away with 2 or 3 really good players for just one, you do the trade.

Over the last 10 years top rated corners have been about as safe as it gets in the draft. You can just as easily end up with a bust and 2 role players with a trade. Me personally I want the elite player.

I've actually found that to be incorrect.
Drafting Underclassmen in the First Round Can Be a Real Gamble
Positional Value
What Position is the Safest Best in the First Round
1st Round Underclassmen Cornerbacks Success Rate Using Approximate Value

Besides that it's not smart value to take a CB in the top 15.
2010-Joe Haden #7 - Good rookie season
2009-Malcolm Jenkins #14- Had to be converted to Safety
2008-Leodis McKelvin #11- Underachieving.
2007-Darrelle Revis #14- Great CB.
2006-Tye Hill #15 - Bust.
2005-Adam Jones #6 - Bust.
Antrell Rolle #8 - Coverted to Safety.
Carlos Rogers #9 - Underachiever.
2004-DeAngelo Hall #8- 3 Time Pro-Bowler
Dunta Robinson #10- Good CB. 0 Pro-Bowls
2003-Terence Newman #5- Good CB, has fallen off lately. 1 Pro-Bowl.
Marcus Trufant #11- Good CB, 1 Pro-Bowl.
2002- Quentin Jammer #5- Underachiever
2001- Nate Clements #21- We all know about Nate.
2000- Deltha O'Neal #15- Had a couple good years. 2 time Pro-Bowl

That is the 11 years, with the CBs drafted in the top 15 picks or the highest drafted. Notice a trend? Highly drafted CBs have a high failure rate. So theoretically, if you are going to draft a CB, you'll want to wait til the last half of the 1st round to draft a CB (DRC #16, McCourty #27, Nmamdi #31, J.Joseph #24). Drafting a CB at #7 is not a good value pick. Best value is drafting a LB at #7 or trading down in the draft to pick up a CB.

So in the case of the question, if we were offered to trade down and could pick up a CB and an extra player or 2. Then it's more value to do so.

So, if Peterson gets drafted in top 15, he is likely to underachieve, but if Peterson gets drafted in 20s, he is likely to do well?

Again, all this is insignificant. You've to take every case individually. There are no patterns in an NFL draft.

Your point is valid. But if you can come away with 3 really good players or 1 really good player.......which do you do? We are not 1 CB away from being a Super Bowl team. Teams are built by drafting smart. There's a reason teams don't pick CBs in the top 15, it's because the value isn't there. If you trade down, and pick up a CB and get other players, the value is worth more. The original question was "Could dangling a trade for Peterson at #7 to the patriots for their 2 first rounders and a trade of 2nd rounders put the 49ers over the top in terms of talent to fill some holes in our defensive back field and pass-rushers and quaterback?" So in response to that. Do you pick 1 good player, or go for 3 good players? If we had the 3 other picks, we could get a LB (ex:Kerrigan), a CB (ex:Jimmy Smith), and a QB (ex:Ponder). Your telling me you'd rather have Peterson over those 3? That's the question he asked. And I believe I've shown why it's not smart to draft a CB high, but get better value later in the round.

Let's start with this. There's no chance in Hell of the Patriots making that move. You're not getting 3 top 33 players for 1 one guy. It's not happening. I didn't even factor that into the equation because it's not happening.

Moving to safety doesn't make you a wasted pick or bust either. Rolle and Jenkins have turned to be good selections. It's kind of nice that you can miss on your intentions of someone and still get a Pro Bowl impact player.

Most of those corners are good footall players and worthy of the selection. There's very few grand slams in this league, but when you bring up a list of 15 players and it has only 2 busts (and one of those busts had nothing to with talent) and 3 underachievers I'd take that in a heartbeat.
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Originally posted by Travisty13:
Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:
Originally posted by Travisty13:

I've actually found that to be incorrect.
Drafting Underclassmen in the First Round Can Be a Real Gamble
Positional Value
What Position is the Safest Best in the First Round
1st Round Underclassmen Cornerbacks Success Rate Using Approximate Value

Besides that it's not smart value to take a CB in the top 15.
2010-Joe Haden #7 - Good rookie season
2009-Malcolm Jenkins #14- Had to be converted to Safety
2008-Leodis McKelvin #11- Underachieving.
2007-Darrelle Revis #14- Great CB.
2006-Tye Hill #15 - Bust.
2005-Adam Jones #6 - Bust.
Antrell Rolle #8 - Coverted to Safety.
Carlos Rogers #9 - Underachiever.
2004-DeAngelo Hall #8- 3 Time Pro-Bowler
Dunta Robinson #10- Good CB. 0 Pro-Bowls
2003-Terence Newman #5- Good CB, has fallen off lately. 1 Pro-Bowl.
Marcus Trufant #11- Good CB, 1 Pro-Bowl.
2002- Quentin Jammer #5- Underachiever
2001- Nate Clements #21- We all know about Nate.
2000- Deltha O'Neal #15- Had a couple good years. 2 time Pro-Bowl

That is the 11 years, with the CBs drafted in the top 15 picks or the highest drafted. Notice a trend? Highly drafted CBs have a high failure rate. So theoretically, if you are going to draft a CB, you'll want to wait til the last half of the 1st round to draft a CB (DRC #16, McCourty #27, Nmamdi #31, J.Joseph #24). Drafting a CB at #7 is not a good value pick. Best value is drafting a LB at #7 or trading down in the draft to pick up a CB.

So in the case of the question, if we were offered to trade down and could pick up a CB and an extra player or 2. Then it's more value to do so.

So, if Peterson gets drafted in top 15, he is likely to underachieve, but if Peterson gets drafted in 20s, he is likely to do well?

Again, all this is insignificant. You've to take every case individually. There are no patterns in an NFL draft.

Your point is valid. But if you can come away with 3 really good players or 1 really good player.......which do you do? We are not 1 CB away from being a Super Bowl team. Teams are built by drafting smart. There's a reason teams don't pick CBs in the top 15, it's because the value isn't there. If you trade down, and pick up a CB and get other players, the value is worth more. The original question was "Could dangling a trade for Peterson at #7 to the patriots for their 2 first rounders and a trade of 2nd rounders put the 49ers over the top in terms of talent to fill some holes in our defensive back field and pass-rushers and quaterback?" So in response to that. Do you pick 1 good player, or go for 3 good players? If we had the 3 other picks, we could get a LB (ex:Kerrigan), a CB (ex:Jimmy Smith), and a QB (ex:Ponder). Your telling me you'd rather have Peterson over those 3? That's the question he asked. And I believe I've shown why it's not smart to draft a CB high, but get better value later in the round.

I would take the 2 1st rounders and the top pick of the 2nd round - but Pats will be pretty retarded to offer that kind of package for any position in 2011 draft.

Our best case scenario for trade down is if Cam or Gabbert are there at 7 (unlikely) and one of the teams (like Vikings, Jax, Miami, Washington) are willing to give up multiple draft picks for either one of them.

If Peterson is there, and a team offers us swap in 1st and a 3rd rounder or even a 2nd rounder, I'll tell them to f**k off and draft Peterson. I don't care if every CB drafted in top 10 has been an absolute bust for the last 10 years. That has nothing to do with Peterson.
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
A square is four right dangles.

how many dangles make a cube?

Well I don't give a dangle.

The angle of the dangle is = to the heat in the meat.
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
Originally posted by jimmy49erfan:
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
A square is four right dangles.

how many dangles make a cube?

Well I don't give a dangle.

It was a trick f**king question as you cant make a cube with dangles. Everyone knows you need dongles not dangles for cubes
When have you known Belichick to make any deal that wasn't favorable to the Pats? That's right, never! He'd never make the deal you propose...if for no other reason than he already has 6 picks in the first 3 rds, and half of those are in the top 33.
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