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Dangling Peterson could push us over the top?

Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.
obvious you guys don't know about the strategies of the Great Bill Walsh! Because he would be considering this strategy and would probably implementing this strategy! We are not one player away from where we need to be! We are probably five-seven players away and with this being a pretty deep draft we need to take advantage of this talented draft!
Originally posted by owiseone:
obvious you guys don't know about the strategies of the Great Bill Walsh! Because he would be considering this strategy and would probably implementing this strategy! We are not one player away from where we need to be! We are probably five-seven players away and with this being a pretty deep draft we need to take advantage of this talented draft!

Yeah but if we go with this instead of having a CB as good as Revis we could wind up with a draft resembling the 2004 one where we picked Rashaun Woods.

Besides, if you look at the good teams, a lot of the good defenses have 2-3 absolute stars. We have 1-2 with PWillis, and maybe Justin Smith. They have a good at LBer, DL, AND CB/S. Our secondary sucks and there is no star there. If you look at the Ravens, they have Gnata, Lewis, Reed, and Suggs. They filled some random patch work guys around them this last year and it turned out ok. Steelers have Timmons, Harrison, Polamalu, and Woodley. I mean you need some impact players more than a bunch of decent guys. The reason teams like the old 9ers used to be able to do this, and the Pats can do it now is they have a bunch of impact players on their team so they can afford it if they don't find that diamond in the rough and they just wind up with a bunch of decent players. We can't.
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!
As in most things, this is subjective. Following is FYI.

http://www.draftmaven.com/draft-science/lesson-13-understanding-true-trade-value
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!

Peterson has way too much talent to become Tyrone Drakeford. He has the best feet in the draft, he's got a ton of athleticism, great size, and good hands and pretty good hips. That's like saying "yeah but what if Peyton Manning turns into Derek AndersoN!?"
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
obvious you guys don't know about the strategies of the Great Bill Walsh! Because he would be considering this strategy and would probably implementing this strategy! We are not one player away from where we need to be! We are probably five-seven players away and with this being a pretty deep draft we need to take advantage of this talented draft!

Yeah but if we go with this instead of having a CB as good as Revis we could wind up with a draft resembling the 2004 one where we picked Rashaun Woods.

Besides, if you look at the good teams, a lot of the good defenses have 2-3 absolute stars. We have 1-2 with PWillis, and maybe Justin Smith. They have a good at LBer, DL, AND CB/S. Our secondary sucks and there is no star there. If you look at the Ravens, they have Gnata, Lewis, Reed, and Suggs. They filled some random patch work guys around them this last year and it turned out ok. Steelers have Timmons, Harrison, Polamalu, and Woodley. I mean you need some impact players more than a bunch of decent guys. The reason teams like the old 9ers used to be able to do this, and the Pats can do it now is they have a bunch of impact players on their team so they can afford it if they don't find that diamond in the rough and they just wind up with a bunch of decent players. We can't.

Remember the draft is seven rounds! I just wanted to get 3 of the first 33 that's all just 3 of the first 33!
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!

Peterson has way too much talent to become Tyrone Drakeford. He has the best feet in the draft, he's got a ton of athleticism, great size, and good hands and pretty good hips. That's like saying "yeah but what if Peyton Manning turns into Derek AndersoN!?"

I bet you were a ryan leaf fan to right! I bet you thought he'd be good to right! Yeah the draft is a total crap shoot you never know what you are really getting!
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!

Rarely have the niners flopped on a high pick (top ten-11) except for AS. What number of the first round was drakeford drafted again? Then you will see my point. BTW-yes Walsh did that, but walsh is a different breed, and even he flopped from time to time. In the great draft where he traded back tons of times-the niners had already won two SB. Walsh also traded up and stayed pat, not only moved back. there is a time and place for everything. It all depends who is available and who gives up what. In your situation-I'd take PP or Miller before consdiering alternatives. Again Walsh is not here!
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!

Peterson has way too much talent to become Tyrone Drakeford. He has the best feet in the draft, he's got a ton of athleticism, great size, and good hands and pretty good hips. That's like saying "yeah but what if Peyton Manning turns into Derek AndersoN!?"

I bet you were a ryan leaf fan to right! I bet you thought he'd be good to right! Yeah the draft is a total crap shoot you never know what you are really getting!

lol no I was just a kid when Ryan Leaf was getting picked, I was like 7 or 8. But I mean, I feel like I've seen enough of Peterson to say he wont turn out to be Tyrone Drakeford dude. QB is a different animal since it involves leadership, decision making, and ability to react and go through reads quickly. CB is a way different position because the stuff they do in college doesnt change nearly as much as the way a QB goes about things.

TO be honest, I've suggested trading back before. But not if Peterson is there.
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by WildBill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by owiseone:
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Why valrod? we are not one cornerback away from going to the playoffs! We are about five to seven players away from getting to the main game!

Talk of dangling peters just makes some ppl uncomfortable. Especially when you're talking about a big prospect with the size and speed to really make a deep impact on a huge hole that we desperately need to fill.

Sure, ppl may be envious enough to trade up, but could we get the same satisfaction from smaller prospects - even if there are two of them? I guess you could say hitting two holes as its advantages, but it all depends on what you are in to.

Bra you get what I am trying to say! Peterson is one person and if we can get two number one's and the 33rd pick, first in the second round, then I would do it in a heart beat!!!!! Then Harbaugh can get a passrusher a corner and the quaterback he wants in the first 33 picks.

It all depends on who the players turn out to be now doesn't it? Lets say peterson is Revis or Dieon, and the others are Lawson, Druckenmiller, and another starter or average player, would have a game changer like Revis and Sanders.

You do not want to get into what if's do you? What if Peterson become tyrone drakeford? do you still want to get him? I'd rather take my chances with 3 of the first 33 picks then to just settle on one possibly good player with many more needs!

Rarely have the niners flopped on a high pick (top ten-11) except for AS. What number of the first round was drakeford drafted again? Then you will see my point. BTW-yes Walsh did that, but walsh is a different breed, and even he flopped from time to time. In the great draft where he traded back tons of times-the niners had already won two SB. Walsh also traded up and stayed pat, not only moved back. there is a time and place for everything. It all depends who is available and who gives up what. In your situation-I'd take PP or Miller before consdiering alternatives. Again Walsh is not here!

I thought we needed to get back to walsh winning ways! How can we get back to the top without learning from what we did to get the 49ers to the top! Everything Walsh did that will work today we should do it!
Originally posted by owiseone:
Could dangling a trade for Peterson at #7 to the patriots for their 2 first rounders and a trade of 2nd rounders put the 49ers over the top in terms of talent to fill some holes in our defensive back field and pass-rushers and quaterback? Let me know what you think about this trade scenario!

1. New England doesn't trade up. This is about the 9th year in a row fans have mocked NE trading up and it never happens. They're smarter than the rest of the league. If they don't need a pick this year they'll trade that pick for a pick next year.

2. New England is in the market for a pass rusher not a corner. They drafted their corner last year and he's a stud.

3. You don't pass on Peterson.
Originally posted by valrod33:
I stopped reading at dangling peters

Liar
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
If Peterson is there at #7 the Niners should praise whichever god they believe in, run to the podium as soon as we are on the clock and draft him without hesitation. Peterson is an absolute stud.