robert quinn vs von miller

Originally posted by gravelburn:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
If the team can assure themselves that character is not an issue Quinn would be my choice because he seems to have the killer instinct needed in a pass rusher.

I don't think character is an issue. Seems just like a case of a young guy being tempted by some luxuries he couldn't afford. Sure he shouldn't have taken agent bribes, but beyond being a stupid decision on his part, it is understandable. Certainly doesn't mean he's a bad kid. If anything, I'd think he'd learned his lesson.

To say it isn't a character issue is an attempt to try to cover-up the wrong he did. It's not like he was a 14 year old, he was a 19 or 20 year old man when he made his choices. He knew what he did was wrong, but decided to ignore the rules anyway. He doesn't get a free pass because he is not 30 years old. What he did was wrong and one has to question the kind of character he has that would allow him to choose wrong instead of right.

We have no clue whether Quinn has learned his lesson, since he was suspended for the whole year. Only Quinn knows if he learned his lesson, or if the only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught.

Anything stated about his character is just speculation. You can only judge a person on what they do with their actions, not on what they say with their mouth, since someone can easily lie. Just remember, Quinn had to be CAUGHT, he didn't turn himself in.

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by gravelburn:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
If the team can assure themselves that character is not an issue Quinn would be my choice because he seems to have the killer instinct needed in a pass rusher.

I don't think character is an issue. Seems just like a case of a young guy being tempted by some luxuries he couldn't afford. Sure he shouldn't have taken agent bribes, but beyond being a stupid decision on his part, it is understandable. Certainly doesn't mean he's a bad kid. If anything, I'd think he'd learned his lesson.

To say it isn't a character issue is an attempt to try to cover-up the wrong he did. It's not like he was a 14 year old, he was a 19 or 20 year old man when he made his choices. He knew what he did was wrong, but decided to ignore the rules anyway. He doesn't get a free pass because he is not 30 years old. What he did was wrong and one has to question the kind of character he has that would allow him to choose wrong instead of right.

We have no clue whether Quinn has learned his lesson, since he was suspended for the whole year. Only Quinn knows if he learned his lesson, or if the only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught.

Anything stated about his character is just speculation. You can only judge a person on what they do with their actions, not on what they say with their mouth, since someone can easily lie. Just remember, Quinn had to be CAUGHT, he didn't turn himself in.

So how do you feel about the whole Rothlesberger (sp?) experience?

And was his "character" issue one of a more egregious variety in your opinion or not?

And how is it all turning out now?

And are you OK with it?

Originally posted by abowers1984:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
simple question assuming were not gonna take CB QB or whatever these are the top two pass rushers on the board at our pick who would you take


as for me i would take quinn in addition to the perfect size-speed-height-weight ratio hes a beast he works hard and plays and loves the game he also sets and has high goals for himself

thse are the things i like in a player

who would u guys rather see in a niner uniform?

Quinn - over another aaron maybin... he'll be a 4-3 WILL

Right now, this is how I feel. Except that I would put it as a "potential aaron maybin".

Originally posted by abowers1984:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
simple question assuming were not gonna take CB QB or whatever these are the top two pass rushers on the board at our pick who would you take


as for me i would take quinn in addition to the perfect size-speed-height-weight ratio hes a beast he works hard and plays and loves the game he also sets and has high goals for himself

thse are the things i like in a player

who would u guys rather see in a niner uniform?

Quinn - over another aaron maybin... he'll be a 4-3 WILL

Maybin and Miller are two different LB's. Maybin's more of a pass rush specialist, Miller is an all around DE/LB who can also play the run just as good as he can pass rush.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'd like to see this poll put up after the combine.

Me too. But these conversations can't wait til combine. Right now I'd draft Quinn over Miller

If every NFL player got caught getting ineligible benefits in college than I'd say a good 60% or more would have character concerns and thats in every NFL era.

Why just the other night I was watching 30 for 30 about the "Pony Express" and it showed Eric Dickerson getting a Ponitac Trans Am from Texas A&M. He won't even say what he got from SMU for switching to them. He turned out to be a decent ball player.

I'd much rather take a player who received ineligible benefits while in college than a player who has been arrested for breaking the law.

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:

Originally posted by abowers1984:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
simple question assuming were not gonna take CB QB or whatever these are the top two pass rushers on the board at our pick who would you take


as for me i would take quinn in addition to the perfect size-speed-height-weight ratio hes a beast he works hard and plays and loves the game he also sets and has high goals for himself

thse are the things i like in a player

who would u guys rather see in a niner uniform?

Quinn - over another aaron maybin... he'll be a 4-3 WILL

I won't compare Von to Maybin - but I do believe 4-3 will get the absolute best out of Von Miller. Von Miller reminds me about Julian Peterson and Peterson was a damn good player, but in 4-3. Peterson could still play in 3-4, but wasn't as effective as he was in 4-3.

That is the exact comparison I thought of too. Von will be a beast, no doubt, but it will be in a 4-3.

Originally posted by SF69ers:

Originally posted by 49ersMyLife:

Originally posted by abowers1984:

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
simple question assuming were not gonna take CB QB or whatever these are the top two pass rushers on the board at our pick who would you take


as for me i would take quinn in addition to the perfect size-speed-height-weight ratio hes a beast he works hard and plays and loves the game he also sets and has high goals for himself

thse are the things i like in a player

who would u guys rather see in a niner uniform?

Quinn - over another aaron maybin... he'll be a 4-3 WILL

I won't compare Von to Maybin - but I do believe 4-3 will get the absolute best out of Von Miller. Von Miller reminds me about Julian Peterson and Peterson was a damn good player, but in 4-3. Peterson could still play in 3-4, but wasn't as effective as he was in 4-3.

That is the exact comparison I thought of too. Von will be a beast, no doubt, but it will be in a 4-3.

Nope, 3-4 WILL.

I like Von Miller, but it's Quinn and it's not even close. Quinn 100%!

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by gravelburn:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
If the team can assure themselves that character is not an issue Quinn would be my choice because he seems to have the killer instinct needed in a pass rusher.

I don't think character is an issue. Seems just like a case of a young guy being tempted by some luxuries he couldn't afford. Sure he shouldn't have taken agent bribes, but beyond being a stupid decision on his part, it is understandable. Certainly doesn't mean he's a bad kid. If anything, I'd think he'd learned his lesson.

To say it isn't a character issue is an attempt to try to cover-up the wrong he did. It's not like he was a 14 year old, he was a 19 or 20 year old man when he made his choices. He knew what he did was wrong, but decided to ignore the rules anyway. He doesn't get a free pass because he is not 30 years old. What he did was wrong and one has to question the kind of character he has that would allow him to choose wrong instead of right.

We have no clue whether Quinn has learned his lesson, since he was suspended for the whole year. Only Quinn knows if he learned his lesson, or if the only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught.

Anything stated about his character is just speculation. You can only judge a person on what they do with their actions, not on what they say with their mouth, since someone can easily lie. Just remember, Quinn had to be CAUGHT, he didn't turn himself in.

So how do you feel about the whole Rothlesberger (sp?) experience?

And was his "character" issue one of a more egregious variety in your opinion or not?

And how is it all turning out now?

And are you OK with it?

I don't like Roethlisberger. The Rooney's were on the verge of releasing him after all his crap, but decided to give him one last chance.

Every person has an opportunity to redeem himself though, and only time and action will tell if that person genuinely desires to be a better person or if they are just "jumping through the hoops" so they can get paid and be in the public eye. So, I'm not condemning Quinn, nor should anyone else, for he may be repentant and it may indeed just be a regrettable mistake on his part.

However, before I invest a #7 pick in him, or anyone, I better have an extremely thorough understanding of this guy and whether it is just a one time thing or a sign of things to come. This is where interviews and being around the guy come into play.

Miller has momentum after Senior Bowl week. Lets see if the combine gives Quinn a similar push on here.

Honestly, I'm so tired of not having an athletic OLB that can rush the passer that I'd be ecstatic to get either at this point.

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by Rsrkshn:

Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

Originally posted by gravelburn:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
If the team can assure themselves that character is not an issue Quinn would be my choice because he seems to have the killer instinct needed in a pass rusher.

I don't think character is an issue. Seems just like a case of a young guy being tempted by some luxuries he couldn't afford. Sure he shouldn't have taken agent bribes, but beyond being a stupid decision on his part, it is understandable. Certainly doesn't mean he's a bad kid. If anything, I'd think he'd learned his lesson.

To say it isn't a character issue is an attempt to try to cover-up the wrong he did. It's not like he was a 14 year old, he was a 19 or 20 year old man when he made his choices. He knew what he did was wrong, but decided to ignore the rules anyway. He doesn't get a free pass because he is not 30 years old. What he did was wrong and one has to question the kind of character he has that would allow him to choose wrong instead of right.

We have no clue whether Quinn has learned his lesson, since he was suspended for the whole year. Only Quinn knows if he learned his lesson, or if the only thing he is sorry about is that he got caught.

Anything stated about his character is just speculation. You can only judge a person on what they do with their actions, not on what they say with their mouth, since someone can easily lie. Just remember, Quinn had to be CAUGHT, he didn't turn himself in.

So how do you feel about the whole Rothlesberger (sp?) experience?

And was his "character" issue one of a more egregious variety in your opinion or not?

And how is it all turning out now?

And are you OK with it?

I don't like Roethlisberger. The Rooney's were on the verge of releasing him after all his crap, but decided to give him one last chance.

Every person has an opportunity to redeem himself though, and only time and action will tell if that person genuinely desires to be a better person or if they are just "jumping through the hoops" so they can get paid and be in the public eye. So, I'm not condemning Quinn, nor should anyone else, for he may be repentant and it may indeed just be a regrettable mistake on his part.

However, before I invest a #7 pick in him, or anyone, I better have an extremely thorough understanding of this guy and whether it is just a one time thing or a sign of things to come. This is where interviews and being around the guy come into play.

OK . . . sounds reasonable.

Like another poster already pointed out . . . Quinn broke a rule. He didn't break any laws. Others playing the game have done far worse and seem to get a pass.

But you make your point.

Quinn. Might be able to do his job in a 4-3 or 3-4

The biggest question mark with Von Miller is his weight. That's really his only question mark. You know he has been doing everything he can to put on weight since the end of the season and he's only up to 237 pounds which means his playing weight was probably closer to 230. We don't need another Manny Lawson(good linebacker but too small to rush against NFL strength tackles). He's not a 3-4 outside linebacker at this point in time and expecting him to put on weight could land the 49ers in another Manny Lawson situation.

Originally posted by 23zack80:
The biggest question mark with Von Miller is his weight. That's really his only question mark. You know he has been doing everything he can to put on weight since the end of the season and he's only up to 237 pounds which means his playing weight was probably closer to 230. We don't need another Manny Lawson(good linebacker but too small to rush against NFL strength tackles). He's not a 3-4 outside linebacker at this point in time and expecting him to put on weight could land the 49ers in another Manny Lawson situation.

Plus, does he have skinny legs?

We don't need another smaller-framed, skinny-legged kid trying to punch above his weight.