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Who Wants to Draft Cameron Jordan?

Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.
Originally posted by SF69ers:
I would not be mad if we drafted him as long as Patrick Peterson wasn't on the board.
even if he is...pass-rush>>>secondary.
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.

Now you are being silly and haven't paid attention one lick during the off-season if you think Cameron Jordan is the 5th or 6th rated 3-4 DE in the draft.

And if you don't think Cameron Jordan is a "playmaker" then you haven't been paying attention either. That is like saying Justin Smith isn't a playmaker. Imagine having 2 Justin Smiths on the DL at the same time.

BTW, Willis wasn't calling you an idiot in his post. He was revealing the idea that you were calling him an idiot when you said "that's awful" in your previous post.

[ Edited by RedWaltz24 on Jan 28, 2011 at 18:05:57 ]
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.

can you read? I never said YOU were an idiot. I said you were speaking to ME like I WAS an idiot. I did not really appreciate it.
At 7? no thanks. OLB is more concerning.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.

Now you are being silly and haven't paid attention one lick during the off-season if you think Cameron Jordan is the 5th or 6th rated 3-4 DE in the draft.

And if you don't think Cameron Jordan is a "playmaker" then you haven't been paying attention either. That is like saying Justin Smith isn't a playmaker. Imagine having 2 Justin Smiths on the DL at the same time.
BTW, Willis wasn't calling you an idiot in his post. He was revealing the idea that you were calling him an idiot when you said "that's awful" in your previous post.

Agreed and yeah I wasn't calling the guy an idiot. It's like if you can get a guy similar to Justin Smith than you do it. Jordan has the long arms, great technique, a nonstop motor, and a lot of athleticism that would let him have a similar technique. He has quite a few pass rush moves. He will either command a double team or get to the QB. Not to mention the fact than on 3rd downs you pretty much arent in your base D anyway unless its 3rd and 3, you're usually in a nickle situation with 4 DL and 5 DBs. So he could play the end in the 4-2-5 or be moved inside, there's quite a few different things you can do with him. You can move him around quite a bit.

He's a solid player without much weaknesses and quite a bit of potential to get even better. He'll most likely have an immediate impact.
Because of the great reports we have been hearing at the Senior Bowl, I have to admit that I've been entertaining the notion of the Niners picking Jordan at number 7. He reminds me a lot of a young slightly smaller version of Richard Seymour ...and he has turned out pretty well.

With Justin Smith on one side and Jordan on the other, that DL would be extremely formidable. He would provide a pass rushing threat that has been missing from the DL for ages. He would also probably attract a double team often...which would free up a guy like Lawson or whomever else is rushing the passer from the OLB spot.

Point is...it would bring a new dimension to the Niner defense...and if the team went in that direction, I wouldn't be the least bit upset. I think the guy is a stud....and would solidify the DL for the next 5-7 years... Who could argue with that?
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.

Now you are being silly and haven't paid attention one lick during the off-season if you think Cameron Jordan is the 5th or 6th rated 3-4 DE in the draft.

And if you don't think Cameron Jordan is a "playmaker" then you haven't been paying attention either. That is like saying Justin Smith isn't a playmaker. Imagine having 2 Justin Smiths on the DL at the same time.
BTW, Willis wasn't calling you an idiot in his post. He was revealing the idea that you were calling him an idiot when you said "that's awful" in your previous post.

Agreed and yeah I wasn't calling the guy an idiot. It's like if you can get a guy similar to Justin Smith than you do it. Jordan has the long arms, great technique, a nonstop motor, and a lot of athleticism that would let him have a similar technique. He has quite a few pass rush moves. He will either command a double team or get to the QB. Not to mention the fact than on 3rd downs you pretty much arent in your base D anyway unless its 3rd and 3, you're usually in a nickle situation with 4 DL and 5 DBs. So he could play the end in the 4-2-5 or be moved inside, there's quite a few different things you can do with him. You can move him around quite a bit.

He's a solid player without much weaknesses and quite a bit of potential to get even better. He'll most likely have an immediate impact.

Yeah, my sentiments exactly. The fact that he has been playing a DE in a 3-4 already puts him far ahead of most DE drafted by teams who want to use them as 3-4 DE's. Most are DT in college and have to learn the position, which can take years.

And as you stated, in the Nickle you use a 4 DL front anyway and our Nickle DL front hasn't been able to put much pressure on the QB, except for Justin Smith. Cameron would definitely change that.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.

Now you are being silly and haven't paid attention one lick during the off-season if you think Cameron Jordan is the 5th or 6th rated 3-4 DE in the draft.

And if you don't think Cameron Jordan is a "playmaker" then you haven't been paying attention either. That is like saying Justin Smith isn't a playmaker. Imagine having 2 Justin Smiths on the DL at the same time.
BTW, Willis wasn't calling you an idiot in his post. He was revealing the idea that you were calling him an idiot when you said "that's awful" in your previous post.

Agreed and yeah I wasn't calling the guy an idiot. It's like if you can get a guy similar to Justin Smith than you do it. Jordan has the long arms, great technique, a nonstop motor, and a lot of athleticism that would let him have a similar technique. He has quite a few pass rush moves. He will either command a double team or get to the QB. Not to mention the fact than on 3rd downs you pretty much arent in your base D anyway unless its 3rd and 3, you're usually in a nickle situation with 4 DL and 5 DBs. So he could play the end in the 4-2-5 or be moved inside, there's quite a few different things you can do with him. You can move him around quite a bit.

He's a solid player without much weaknesses and quite a bit of potential to get even better. He'll most likely have an immediate impact.

Yeah, my sentiments exactly. The fact that he has been playing a DE in a 3-4 already puts him far ahead of most DE drafted by teams who want to use them as 3-4 DE's. Most are DT in college and have to learn the position, which can take years.

And as you stated, in the Nickle you use a 4 DL front anyway and our Nickle DL front hasn't been able to put much pressure on the QB, except for Justin Smith. Cameron would definitely change that.

Yeah so there will be less of a learning curve for him and he is a beast. I mean everyone wants Fangio to mimic the Packers D with Capers as DC, but what they dont understand is there are some games where they spend very little time in their base defense and they actually play a 4-2-5 for the majority of the game. In fact I believe the guys on NFL network's playbook show were saying there was a game where they only spent 2 plays in their base D, the rest was the nickle.

A team like the Steelers stays in their base defense a lot more, but still. Against teams like Philly with a QB who can scramble or multiple fast WRs you are going to need to be in your nickle D quite a bit. Then you can spy the QB with a hard hitting corner or safety(Packers used Charles Woodson to spy Mike Vick), you can still blitz creatively by sending CB blitzes or safety blitzes, etc. A good DL is a huge part of this. If you look at GB's defense they have Jenkins at DE and Raji and then Pickett. They only have 1 LB that rushes the passer(Matthews). But their DL and DBs are really good.

I would take Cam Jordan without a doubt. I might not take him over Marcel Dareus or Patrick Peterson though. I might not take him over Von Miller. But the QBs or a WR? Yeah definitely. Maybe over Amukamara. But I definitely like his game a lot and he could help us out quite a bit.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.

Now you are being silly and haven't paid attention one lick during the off-season if you think Cameron Jordan is the 5th or 6th rated 3-4 DE in the draft.

And if you don't think Cameron Jordan is a "playmaker" then you haven't been paying attention either. That is like saying Justin Smith isn't a playmaker. Imagine having 2 Justin Smiths on the DL at the same time.
BTW, Willis wasn't calling you an idiot in his post. He was revealing the idea that you were calling him an idiot when you said "that's awful" in your previous post.

Agreed and yeah I wasn't calling the guy an idiot. It's like if you can get a guy similar to Justin Smith than you do it. Jordan has the long arms, great technique, a nonstop motor, and a lot of athleticism that would let him have a similar technique. He has quite a few pass rush moves. He will either command a double team or get to the QB. Not to mention the fact than on 3rd downs you pretty much arent in your base D anyway unless its 3rd and 3, you're usually in a nickle situation with 4 DL and 5 DBs. So he could play the end in the 4-2-5 or be moved inside, there's quite a few different things you can do with him. You can move him around quite a bit.

He's a solid player without much weaknesses and quite a bit of potential to get even better. He'll most likely have an immediate impact.

Yeah, my sentiments exactly. The fact that he has been playing a DE in a 3-4 already puts him far ahead of most DE drafted by teams who want to use them as 3-4 DE's. Most are DT in college and have to learn the position, which can take years.

And as you stated, in the Nickle you use a 4 DL front anyway and our Nickle DL front hasn't been able to put much pressure on the QB, except for Justin Smith. Cameron would definitely change that.

Yeah so there will be less of a learning curve for him and he is a beast. I mean everyone wants Fangio to mimic the Packers D with Capers as DC, but what they dont understand is there are some games where they spend very little time in their base defense and they actually play a 4-2-5 for the majority of the game. In fact I believe the guys on NFL network's playbook show were saying there was a game where they only spent 2 plays in their base D, the rest was the nickle.

A team like the Steelers stays in their base defense a lot more, but still. Against teams like Philly with a QB who can scramble or multiple fast WRs you are going to need to be in your nickle D quite a bit. Then you can spy the QB with a hard hitting corner or safety(Packers used Charles Woodson to spy Mike Vick), you can still blitz creatively by sending CB blitzes or safety blitzes, etc. A good DL is a huge part of this. If you look at GB's defense they have Jenkins at DE and Raji and then Pickett. They only have 1 LB that rushes the passer(Matthews). But their DL and DBs are really good.

I would take Cam Jordan without a doubt. I might not take him over Marcel Dareus or Patrick Peterson though. I might not take him over Von Miller. But the QBs or a WR? Yeah definitely. Maybe over Amukamara. But I definitely like his game a lot and he could help us out quite a bit.

To echo your statement. In an interview with that DL NT from Stanford earlier this week who is entering the draft, he stated that they almost spent more time in a 4 DL front than a 3 man front under Fangio. Like I said earlier, Fangio runs more of a hybrid 3-4 than a pure one.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.

Now you are being silly and haven't paid attention one lick during the off-season if you think Cameron Jordan is the 5th or 6th rated 3-4 DE in the draft.

And if you don't think Cameron Jordan is a "playmaker" then you haven't been paying attention either. That is like saying Justin Smith isn't a playmaker. Imagine having 2 Justin Smiths on the DL at the same time.
BTW, Willis wasn't calling you an idiot in his post. He was revealing the idea that you were calling him an idiot when you said "that's awful" in your previous post.

Agreed and yeah I wasn't calling the guy an idiot. It's like if you can get a guy similar to Justin Smith than you do it. Jordan has the long arms, great technique, a nonstop motor, and a lot of athleticism that would let him have a similar technique. He has quite a few pass rush moves. He will either command a double team or get to the QB. Not to mention the fact than on 3rd downs you pretty much arent in your base D anyway unless its 3rd and 3, you're usually in a nickle situation with 4 DL and 5 DBs. So he could play the end in the 4-2-5 or be moved inside, there's quite a few different things you can do with him. You can move him around quite a bit.

He's a solid player without much weaknesses and quite a bit of potential to get even better. He'll most likely have an immediate impact.

Yeah, my sentiments exactly. The fact that he has been playing a DE in a 3-4 already puts him far ahead of most DE drafted by teams who want to use them as 3-4 DE's. Most are DT in college and have to learn the position, which can take years.

And as you stated, in the Nickle you use a 4 DL front anyway and our Nickle DL front hasn't been able to put much pressure on the QB, except for Justin Smith. Cameron would definitely change that.

Yeah so there will be less of a learning curve for him and he is a beast. I mean everyone wants Fangio to mimic the Packers D with Capers as DC, but what they dont understand is there are some games where they spend very little time in their base defense and they actually play a 4-2-5 for the majority of the game. In fact I believe the guys on NFL network's playbook show were saying there was a game where they only spent 2 plays in their base D, the rest was the nickle.

A team like the Steelers stays in their base defense a lot more, but still. Against teams like Philly with a QB who can scramble or multiple fast WRs you are going to need to be in your nickle D quite a bit. Then you can spy the QB with a hard hitting corner or safety(Packers used Charles Woodson to spy Mike Vick), you can still blitz creatively by sending CB blitzes or safety blitzes, etc. A good DL is a huge part of this. If you look at GB's defense they have Jenkins at DE and Raji and then Pickett. They only have 1 LB that rushes the passer(Matthews). But their DL and DBs are really good.

I would take Cam Jordan without a doubt. I might not take him over Marcel Dareus or Patrick Peterson though. I might not take him over Von Miller. But the QBs or a WR? Yeah definitely. Maybe over Amukamara. But I definitely like his game a lot and he could help us out quite a bit.

To echo your statement. In an interview with that DL NT from Stanford earlier this week who is entering the draft, he stated that they almost spent more time in a 4 DL front than a 3 man front under Fangio. Like I said earlier, Fangio runs more of a hybrid 3-4 than a pure one.

lol Nice. Sounds like we are on the same exact page then. They most likely went 4-2-5 when they faced a spread offense then but I could be wrong. Either way, we are going to need another guy to generate pressure on third downs. Jordan or Dareus FTW
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Originally posted by Sjceruti:
Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.

Now you are being silly and haven't paid attention one lick during the off-season if you think Cameron Jordan is the 5th or 6th rated 3-4 DE in the draft.

And if you don't think Cameron Jordan is a "playmaker" then you haven't been paying attention either. That is like saying Justin Smith isn't a playmaker. Imagine having 2 Justin Smiths on the DL at the same time.
BTW, Willis wasn't calling you an idiot in his post. He was revealing the idea that you were calling him an idiot when you said "that's awful" in your previous post.

Agreed and yeah I wasn't calling the guy an idiot. It's like if you can get a guy similar to Justin Smith than you do it. Jordan has the long arms, great technique, a nonstop motor, and a lot of athleticism that would let him have a similar technique. He has quite a few pass rush moves. He will either command a double team or get to the QB. Not to mention the fact than on 3rd downs you pretty much arent in your base D anyway unless its 3rd and 3, you're usually in a nickle situation with 4 DL and 5 DBs. So he could play the end in the 4-2-5 or be moved inside, there's quite a few different things you can do with him. You can move him around quite a bit.

He's a solid player without much weaknesses and quite a bit of potential to get even better. He'll most likely have an immediate impact.

Yeah, my sentiments exactly. The fact that he has been playing a DE in a 3-4 already puts him far ahead of most DE drafted by teams who want to use them as 3-4 DE's. Most are DT in college and have to learn the position, which can take years.

And as you stated, in the Nickle you use a 4 DL front anyway and our Nickle DL front hasn't been able to put much pressure on the QB, except for Justin Smith. Cameron would definitely change that.

Yeah so there will be less of a learning curve for him and he is a beast. I mean everyone wants Fangio to mimic the Packers D with Capers as DC, but what they dont understand is there are some games where they spend very little time in their base defense and they actually play a 4-2-5 for the majority of the game. In fact I believe the guys on NFL network's playbook show were saying there was a game where they only spent 2 plays in their base D, the rest was the nickle.

A team like the Steelers stays in their base defense a lot more, but still. Against teams like Philly with a QB who can scramble or multiple fast WRs you are going to need to be in your nickle D quite a bit. Then you can spy the QB with a hard hitting corner or safety(Packers used Charles Woodson to spy Mike Vick), you can still blitz creatively by sending CB blitzes or safety blitzes, etc. A good DL is a huge part of this. If you look at GB's defense they have Jenkins at DE and Raji and then Pickett. They only have 1 LB that rushes the passer(Matthews). But their DL and DBs are really good.

I would take Cam Jordan without a doubt. I might not take him over Marcel Dareus or Patrick Peterson though. I might not take him over Von Miller. But the QBs or a WR? Yeah definitely. Maybe over Amukamara. But I definitely like his game a lot and he could help us out quite a bit.

To echo your statement. In an interview with that DL NT from Stanford earlier this week who is entering the draft, he stated that they almost spent more time in a 4 DL front than a 3 man front under Fangio. Like I said earlier, Fangio runs more of a hybrid 3-4 than a pure one.

lol Nice. Sounds like we are on the same exact page then. They most likely went 4-2-5 when they faced a spread offense then but I could be wrong. Either way, we are going to need another guy to generate pressure on third downs. Jordan or Dareus FTW

I really do think the Niners should take advantage of the special talent at the top of this draft in the DE position. This a very good year for that position and they aren't easy to find.
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Well seeing you wrote the thread I assume you're all aboard the bandwagon. If were taking an end at 7 it better be Marcel Dareus. I'm not saying Jordan wont be good but not at 7.

Not to mention our ends are solid.

Also you mentioned Tyson Jackson. That didn't quite pan out did it?

Yeah it did for them. There defense is much improved and hes a good player.

He wasn't nearly worthy of the #3 pick. I'm sorry but if you think he is thats awful.
Hes a okay player.

He wasnt really worth the pick but he's still a good player. Not to mention I see that when you're saying"thats awful" your really just saying "youre an idiot". Im not stupid.

BTW Jordan is a better pass rusher than Jackson with a different body type and we're not picking at 3, we're picking at 7 where we should take the BPA. If he can give us a Justin Smith type effort at the spot we should take him.

Yes, I'm the idiot because I think we should improve our weaknesses rather than our strengths. That makes sense bro.

Listen I'm in the minority here obviously because all you apparently want to take the 5th or 6th rated DE at number 7. I'd much rather use the pick on a corner or pass rusher where we actually need a playmaker.

Now you are being silly and haven't paid attention one lick during the off-season if you think Cameron Jordan is the 5th or 6th rated 3-4 DE in the draft.

And if you don't think Cameron Jordan is a "playmaker" then you haven't been paying attention either. That is like saying Justin Smith isn't a playmaker. Imagine having 2 Justin Smiths on the DL at the same time.
BTW, Willis wasn't calling you an idiot in his post. He was revealing the idea that you were calling him an idiot when you said "that's awful" in your previous post.

Agreed and yeah I wasn't calling the guy an idiot. It's like if you can get a guy similar to Justin Smith than you do it. Jordan has the long arms, great technique, a nonstop motor, and a lot of athleticism that would let him have a similar technique. He has quite a few pass rush moves. He will either command a double team or get to the QB. Not to mention the fact than on 3rd downs you pretty much arent in your base D anyway unless its 3rd and 3, you're usually in a nickle situation with 4 DL and 5 DBs. So he could play the end in the 4-2-5 or be moved inside, there's quite a few different things you can do with him. You can move him around quite a bit.

He's a solid player without much weaknesses and quite a bit of potential to get even better. He'll most likely have an immediate impact.

Yeah, my sentiments exactly. The fact that he has been playing a DE in a 3-4 already puts him far ahead of most DE drafted by teams who want to use them as 3-4 DE's. Most are DT in college and have to learn the position, which can take years.

And as you stated, in the Nickle you use a 4 DL front anyway and our Nickle DL front hasn't been able to put much pressure on the QB, except for Justin Smith. Cameron would definitely change that.

Yeah so there will be less of a learning curve for him and he is a beast. I mean everyone wants Fangio to mimic the Packers D with Capers as DC, but what they dont understand is there are some games where they spend very little time in their base defense and they actually play a 4-2-5 for the majority of the game. In fact I believe the guys on NFL network's playbook show were saying there was a game where they only spent 2 plays in their base D, the rest was the nickle.

A team like the Steelers stays in their base defense a lot more, but still. Against teams like Philly with a QB who can scramble or multiple fast WRs you are going to need to be in your nickle D quite a bit. Then you can spy the QB with a hard hitting corner or safety(Packers used Charles Woodson to spy Mike Vick), you can still blitz creatively by sending CB blitzes or safety blitzes, etc. A good DL is a huge part of this. If you look at GB's defense they have Jenkins at DE and Raji and then Pickett. They only have 1 LB that rushes the passer(Matthews). But their DL and DBs are really good.

I would take Cam Jordan without a doubt. I might not take him over Marcel Dareus or Patrick Peterson though. I might not take him over Von Miller. But the QBs or a WR? Yeah definitely. Maybe over Amukamara. But I definitely like his game a lot and he could help us out quite a bit.

To echo your statement. In an interview with that DL NT from Stanford earlier this week who is entering the draft, he stated that they almost spent more time in a 4 DL front than a 3 man front under Fangio. Like I said earlier, Fangio runs more of a hybrid 3-4 than a pure one.

lol Nice. Sounds like we are on the same exact page then. They most likely went 4-2-5 when they faced a spread offense then but I could be wrong. Either way, we are going to need another guy to generate pressure on third downs. Jordan or Dareus FTW

I really do think the Niners should take advantage of the special talent at the top of this draft in the DE position. This a very good year for that position and they aren't easy to find.

Yeah not to mention you can find good DBs later on. Look at the Packers. Woodson was a trade or FA, Tramon Williams was a UDFA, and Sam Shields was a 7th round pick. The Steelers also don't have a first round CB on the team, Ike Taylor was a 3rd, McFadden was a 2nd, and Gay was a 5th round pick. Guys like Aaron Williams and Jimmy Smith will be available in the 2nd round. Kendrick Burney in the 4th or Rashad Carmichael in the 3rd. We can find good DBs outside of the first round.

I would take Peterson if he's there though and I'd consider Amukamara. But would I love it if we drafted Cam Jordan? Definitely.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Who wants to draft Cameron Jordan?

I DO!

I don't know if I'd want him at 7, or if I'd take him over a few of the guys that may still be available at 7, but I want the guy on the 49ers!