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We just called a mini-mulligan for the 09 draft.

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Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by jreff22:
2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!

? really

I think the bold is true

completely different draft

Mckillop is an ILB while Bowman is an OLB that's a big difference in a 3-4 D McKillop is a tackler not a guy who can drop and cover like Bowman

McKillop was a 5th round guy meaning he was prob the highest guy on their board at the time and took him you expect 5th rounders like that to be special team guys that work their way up.

Bowman is a 3rd round guy who they will break in and hope to use on 3rd downs rushing the passer type situations

IMO this is not the same position and both players are used far too different to say one will take the place of another.

You can't expect 6-7 round guys to make the team and be impact players they are just filling a spot and you hope to get lucky and find a good player but it's not like they are drafting guys to fill needed positions that's what the early rounds are for.

Sing has said that Bowman will play both ILB positions.

interesting I'm sure they will try him at all LB positions but he's still physically a totally different player

the thread doesn't really make any sense being how he's comparing later round talent with staring talent at the same positions

i agree with this thread not making sense.

oh and i finally saw those pms you sent NICE

sweet

should have seen the pics this morning lol
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by jreff22:
2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!

? really

I think the bold is true

completely different draft

Mckillop is an ILB while Bowman is an OLB that's a big difference in a 3-4 D McKillop is a tackler not a guy who can drop and cover like Bowman

McKillop was a 5th round guy meaning he was prob the highest guy on their board at the time and took him you expect 5th rounders like that to be special team guys that work their way up.

Bowman is a 3rd round guy who they will break in and hope to use on 3rd downs rushing the passer type situations

IMO this is not the same position and both players are used far too different to say one will take the place of another.

You can't expect 6-7 round guys to make the team and be impact players they are just filling a spot and you hope to get lucky and find a good player but it's not like they are drafting guys to fill needed positions that's what the early rounds are for.

Sing has said that Bowman will play both ILB positions.

interesting I'm sure they will try him at all LB positions but he's still physically a totally different player

the thread doesn't really make any sense being how he's comparing later round talent with staring talent at the same positions

i agree with this thread not making sense.

oh and i finally saw those pms you sent NICE

sweet

should have seen the pics this morning lol


im glad i missed those ones
Originally posted by jreff22:
2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!

Good thread homie I understand what you are saying. If the following year you are drafting the same positions over again it basically mean the draft before didn't really fill that many holes. Folks this time last year were hyping McKillop as the still of the draft and some were talking as if Pascoe would push VD for starting time. Just have to be cautious things look good on paper as they did last year but we have to see how things play out. When you look at last year's draft they only got one real player. And that's not a recipe for success and probably a big reason Scot is out. You can't build through the draft if only one player gives you a contribution. I really hope Mays takes to coaching and becomes and develops into something he currently isn't. I think the niners did much better this year b/c ii can envision 3 starters out of this draft if Mays can show some form of coverage skills.
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by jreff22:
2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!

Good thread homie I understand what you are saying. If the following year you are drafting the same positions over again it basically mean the draft before didn't really fill that many holes. Folks this time last year were hyping McKillop as the still of the draft and some were talking as if Pascoe would push VD for starting time. Just have to be cautious things look good on paper as they did last year but we have to see how things play out. When you look at last year's draft they only got one real player. And that's not a recipe for success and probably a big reason Scot is out. You can't build through the draft if only one player gives you a contribution. I really hope Mays takes to coaching and becomes and develops into something he currently isn't. I think the niners did much better this year b/c ii can envision 3 starters out of this draft if Mays can show some form of coverage skills.



who said Bear was pushing anyone for staring time

how can anyone compare 6-7 round picks with 1-2 round picks lol

they only got one legit player cause they only had one legit pick in the first 2 rounds
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by jreff22:
2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!

Good thread homie I understand what you are saying. If the following year you are drafting the same positions over again it basically mean the draft before didn't really fill that many holes. Folks this time last year were hyping McKillop as the still of the draft and some were talking as if Pascoe would push VD for starting time. Just have to be cautious things look good on paper as they did last year but we have to see how things play out. When you look at last year's draft they only got one real player. And that's not a recipe for success and probably a big reason Scot is out. You can't build through the draft if only one player gives you a contribution. I really hope Mays takes to coaching and becomes and develops into something he currently isn't. I think the niners did much better this year b/c ii can envision 3 starters out of this draft if Mays can show some form of coverage skills.



who said Bear was pushing anyone for staring time

how can anyone compare 6-7 round picks with 1-2 round picks lol

they only got one legit player cause they only had one legit pick in the first 2 rounds

Jesus Christ, Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman are the comparisons.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by jreff22:
2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!

Good thread homie I understand what you are saying. If the following year you are drafting the same positions over again it basically mean the draft before didn't really fill that many holes. Folks this time last year were hyping McKillop as the still of the draft and some were talking as if Pascoe would push VD for starting time. Just have to be cautious things look good on paper as they did last year but we have to see how things play out. When you look at last year's draft they only got one real player. And that's not a recipe for success and probably a big reason Scot is out. You can't build through the draft if only one player gives you a contribution. I really hope Mays takes to coaching and becomes and develops into something he currently isn't. I think the niners did much better this year b/c ii can envision 3 starters out of this draft if Mays can show some form of coverage skills.



who said Bear was pushing anyone for staring time

how can anyone compare 6-7 round picks with 1-2 round picks lol

they only got one legit player cause they only had one legit pick in the first 2 rounds

Jesus Christ, Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman are the comparisons.

Coffee 3rd round you take him cause he's a guy you want on your team and expect to make it

Dixon is a vanity pick in the 6th best player at the time you don't care that you already have coffee you want to bring him in and see what he's got

as well as the other players in the 6-7 you're just taking guys cause thats the best players left position is really not a factor which is why I find this thread to be silly
That's why the NFL stands for "Not For Long." If a player can't perform then they find themselves on the street. Sing is just stacking the competition.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by jreff22:
2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!

Good thread homie I understand what you are saying. If the following year you are drafting the same positions over again it basically mean the draft before didn't really fill that many holes. Folks this time last year were hyping McKillop as the still of the draft and some were talking as if Pascoe would push VD for starting time. Just have to be cautious things look good on paper as they did last year but we have to see how things play out. When you look at last year's draft they only got one real player. And that's not a recipe for success and probably a big reason Scot is out. You can't build through the draft if only one player gives you a contribution. I really hope Mays takes to coaching and becomes and develops into something he currently isn't. I think the niners did much better this year b/c ii can envision 3 starters out of this draft if Mays can show some form of coverage skills.



who said Bear was pushing anyone for staring time

how can anyone compare 6-7 round picks with 1-2 round picks lol

they only got one legit player cause they only had one legit pick in the first 2 rounds

Jesus Christ, Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman are the comparisons.

Yeah, last year's 2nd round got this year's Iupati.
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
1st round receiver vs. 6th round receiver
2nd round safety vs. 7th rounds safety
3rd round linebacker vs. 5th round linebacker
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

I clearly stated that you can dismiss the Crabtree-Wilson and Taylor-Mays because one is clearly better then the other.

Now, a 3rd round pick I still consider a mid round pick just as I do a 5th round pick. We used a mid rounder this year to redraft and OLB/ILB even though we did the same last year. Clearly McKillop didn't leave the strongest of impressions so we took another ILB again. If McKillop was the guy we wouldn't of brought in a FA last year and started him after first starting McKillop. Bottom line is he was expected to be a future starter and obviously that isn't the case. FYI he was projected as a 3rd round pick!!

A 6th round TE for a 6th round TE is clearly a mulligan.

Lastly we drafted another thumper even though we did the same last year. If a position is 100% set you rarely draft that same position again back to back years. I would bet that come TC you will see serious competition at RB and ILB, what does that tell you...that we aren't set at the position in some way.

From ESPN
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Dixon is a monster at 6-1, 245 pounds and led the SEC in rushing yards per game (yes, he outran Heisman winner Mark Ingram), but he fell into the sixth round because scouts were apparently concerned about his lack of quickness. Dixon is a surprisingly good pass-catcher and a willing blocker, and looks like a much better fit to pair with Frank Gore than Glen Coffee was. I think you'll see Dixon on the field a significant amount in '10.

Per CBS draft scout he was graded as a round 3-4 pick


Now am I crowning any of these kids...nope. I'm saying that I think we are unhappy with some of last years picks and that's why we saw so many of the positions touched on again.

I think you put too much value into the late round picks. Nobody except the webzone was expecting those late round guys to be starters. I'm sure the team hopes that McKillop can turn into a starter but I strongly doubt they expected him to turn into anything more than a good special teamer like Jeff Ulbrich. They didn't address the need for a future TED last year with McKillop, they addressed the need for a special teams ace at linebacker with the hope he could turn into a TED. The 49ers didn't miss on Scott McKillop, he will be on the roster for a long time. You can't call a mulligan on a player who could be the next Jeff Ulbrich.

I think the thumper running back crap is because Singletary doesn't care about a change of pace back. His plan is to run people over with Gore(big), Coffee(bigger), and Dixon(biggest). He doesn't need to run off tackle because his team imposes it's will on other teams by running three different plays up the gut. We are in for another season of crappy and predictable play-calling which may cost Singletary his job.

The 49ers missed last year on Bear Pascoe. He obviously didn't fit their philosophy since they kept Finley on the practice squad instead of him. You could call this a mulligan since they missed last year, but I don't see it as a mulligan because a late pick like that isn't expected to even make the roster.

FYI, projections don't mean s**t. No team in the NFL follows the CBS draft grades for players so your point is moot. Right now he is a sixth round pick who is will be forced to earn a roster spot. I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee but the team wont give up on Coffee for another year or two.

McKillop was inserted into the starting lineup and was subsequently benched. If we had no intentions of starting him then why was he started at TED?

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Pitt linebacker Scott McKillop becomes the 49ers first fifth-rounder. As mentioned in the last blog, he's a tackling maniac who won't wow anyone in practice, but he's nearly 250 pounds and could be the perfect replacement for Takeo Spikes.

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Scott McKillop. 6-1, 244. The 49ers have been searching for two years for a future "Ted" linebacker to be the Robin to Willis' Batman. After finding McKillop in the fifth round of the draft, they could hardly contain themselves. Of all the team's draft picks - a list that includes Michael Crabtree, mind you - team officials were most jazzed about McKillop, perhaps because he projects as the perfect complement to Willis. I was on hand for all the Senior Bowl practices this year. A typical running play went something like this: Hand off to the back. Big pile after two yards. Players get up and McKillop is at the bottom with his arms around the runner's ankles.

The plan was to make him into a TED and after realizing he probably will just be depth at the position we had to redraft again to find a better prospect.



Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.



The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

Why was McKillop started at TED? Maybe because Ulbrich was out with his concussions, Takeo was out, and the only other player at ILB was Matt Wilhelm who had been on the team for a week or two. You really are expecting waaaaaaaay too much of a rookie 5th round pick if you expect him to be a starter during his rookie year let alone during his entire career. Late round guys that work out are nice but teams don't expect starters in those rounds. The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.

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Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.

I'm glad you know Dixon will have a better career than Coffee. Can I use your crystal ball to look into the future to see what you're seeing?

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The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

I'm talking about where these guys actually got drafted, not where some guy said they would go.
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
1st round receiver vs. 6th round receiver
2nd round safety vs. 7th rounds safety
3rd round linebacker vs. 5th round linebacker
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

I clearly stated that you can dismiss the Crabtree-Wilson and Taylor-Mays because one is clearly better then the other.

Now, a 3rd round pick I still consider a mid round pick just as I do a 5th round pick. We used a mid rounder this year to redraft and OLB/ILB even though we did the same last year. Clearly McKillop didn't leave the strongest of impressions so we took another ILB again. If McKillop was the guy we wouldn't of brought in a FA last year and started him after first starting McKillop. Bottom line is he was expected to be a future starter and obviously that isn't the case. FYI he was projected as a 3rd round pick!!

A 6th round TE for a 6th round TE is clearly a mulligan.

Lastly we drafted another thumper even though we did the same last year. If a position is 100% set you rarely draft that same position again back to back years. I would bet that come TC you will see serious competition at RB and ILB, what does that tell you...that we aren't set at the position in some way.

From ESPN
Quote:
Dixon is a monster at 6-1, 245 pounds and led the SEC in rushing yards per game (yes, he outran Heisman winner Mark Ingram), but he fell into the sixth round because scouts were apparently concerned about his lack of quickness. Dixon is a surprisingly good pass-catcher and a willing blocker, and looks like a much better fit to pair with Frank Gore than Glen Coffee was. I think you'll see Dixon on the field a significant amount in '10.

Per CBS draft scout he was graded as a round 3-4 pick


Now am I crowning any of these kids...nope. I'm saying that I think we are unhappy with some of last years picks and that's why we saw so many of the positions touched on again.

I think you put too much value into the late round picks. Nobody except the webzone was expecting those late round guys to be starters. I'm sure the team hopes that McKillop can turn into a starter but I strongly doubt they expected him to turn into anything more than a good special teamer like Jeff Ulbrich. They didn't address the need for a future TED last year with McKillop, they addressed the need for a special teams ace at linebacker with the hope he could turn into a TED. The 49ers didn't miss on Scott McKillop, he will be on the roster for a long time. You can't call a mulligan on a player who could be the next Jeff Ulbrich.

I think the thumper running back crap is because Singletary doesn't care about a change of pace back. His plan is to run people over with Gore(big), Coffee(bigger), and Dixon(biggest). He doesn't need to run off tackle because his team imposes it's will on other teams by running three different plays up the gut. We are in for another season of crappy and predictable play-calling which may cost Singletary his job.

The 49ers missed last year on Bear Pascoe. He obviously didn't fit their philosophy since they kept Finley on the practice squad instead of him. You could call this a mulligan since they missed last year, but I don't see it as a mulligan because a late pick like that isn't expected to even make the roster.

FYI, projections don't mean s**t. No team in the NFL follows the CBS draft grades for players so your point is moot. Right now he is a sixth round pick who is will be forced to earn a roster spot. I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee but the team wont give up on Coffee for another year or two.

McKillop was inserted into the starting lineup and was subsequently benched. If we had no intentions of starting him then why was he started at TED?

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Pitt linebacker Scott McKillop becomes the 49ers first fifth-rounder. As mentioned in the last blog, he's a tackling maniac who won't wow anyone in practice, but he's nearly 250 pounds and could be the perfect replacement for Takeo Spikes.

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Scott McKillop. 6-1, 244. The 49ers have been searching for two years for a future "Ted" linebacker to be the Robin to Willis' Batman. After finding McKillop in the fifth round of the draft, they could hardly contain themselves. Of all the team's draft picks - a list that includes Michael Crabtree, mind you - team officials were most jazzed about McKillop, perhaps because he projects as the perfect complement to Willis. I was on hand for all the Senior Bowl practices this year. A typical running play went something like this: Hand off to the back. Big pile after two yards. Players get up and McKillop is at the bottom with his arms around the runner's ankles.

The plan was to make him into a TED and after realizing he probably will just be depth at the position we had to redraft again to find a better prospect.



Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.



The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

Why was McKillop started at TED? Maybe because Ulbrich was out with his concussions, Takeo was out, and the only other player at ILB was Matt Wilhelm who had been on the team for a week or two. You really are expecting waaaaaaaay too much of a rookie 5th round pick if you expect him to be a starter during his rookie year let alone during his entire career. Late round guys that work out are nice but teams don't expect starters in those rounds. The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.

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Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.

I'm glad you know Dixon will have a better career than Coffee. Can I use your crystal ball to look into the future to see what you're seeing?

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The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

I'm talking about where these guys actually got drafted, not where some guy said they would go.

And here we go.....

After further research McKillop actually never started, he was put into the game midway. Following a series or 2 he was taken out of the game and replaced. Also at that time Wilhelm had already been on the team for almost a month. So nobody ever expected him to be the starter out of the gates, the problem is he hasn't shown enough to be considered a solid #2 and future starter. If you would like you can listen to Sing and Trent's recent pressers about Bowman and where he can play....for some reason the word TED keeps coming up.

Lets try this one more time....Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder[b]....so it sounds like a draft whiff to me if that happens to be the case.

And lastly The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.. Well I understand enough that we just drafted somebody new to take what should of been his spot because he didn't lock it down. If we go by your logic what rounds can we decide on for a rookie not to be expected to play their position?
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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
1st round receiver vs. 6th round receiver
2nd round safety vs. 7th rounds safety
3rd round linebacker vs. 5th round linebacker
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

I clearly stated that you can dismiss the Crabtree-Wilson and Taylor-Mays because one is clearly better then the other.

Now, a 3rd round pick I still consider a mid round pick just as I do a 5th round pick. We used a mid rounder this year to redraft and OLB/ILB even though we did the same last year. Clearly McKillop didn't leave the strongest of impressions so we took another ILB again. If McKillop was the guy we wouldn't of brought in a FA last year and started him after first starting McKillop. Bottom line is he was expected to be a future starter and obviously that isn't the case. FYI he was projected as a 3rd round pick!!

A 6th round TE for a 6th round TE is clearly a mulligan.

Lastly we drafted another thumper even though we did the same last year. If a position is 100% set you rarely draft that same position again back to back years. I would bet that come TC you will see serious competition at RB and ILB, what does that tell you...that we aren't set at the position in some way.

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Dixon is a monster at 6-1, 245 pounds and led the SEC in rushing yards per game (yes, he outran Heisman winner Mark Ingram), but he fell into the sixth round because scouts were apparently concerned about his lack of quickness. Dixon is a surprisingly good pass-catcher and a willing blocker, and looks like a much better fit to pair with Frank Gore than Glen Coffee was. I think you'll see Dixon on the field a significant amount in '10.

Per CBS draft scout he was graded as a round 3-4 pick


Now am I crowning any of these kids...nope. I'm saying that I think we are unhappy with some of last years picks and that's why we saw so many of the positions touched on again.

I think you put too much value into the late round picks. Nobody except the webzone was expecting those late round guys to be starters. I'm sure the team hopes that McKillop can turn into a starter but I strongly doubt they expected him to turn into anything more than a good special teamer like Jeff Ulbrich. They didn't address the need for a future TED last year with McKillop, they addressed the need for a special teams ace at linebacker with the hope he could turn into a TED. The 49ers didn't miss on Scott McKillop, he will be on the roster for a long time. You can't call a mulligan on a player who could be the next Jeff Ulbrich.

I think the thumper running back crap is because Singletary doesn't care about a change of pace back. His plan is to run people over with Gore(big), Coffee(bigger), and Dixon(biggest). He doesn't need to run off tackle because his team imposes it's will on other teams by running three different plays up the gut. We are in for another season of crappy and predictable play-calling which may cost Singletary his job.

The 49ers missed last year on Bear Pascoe. He obviously didn't fit their philosophy since they kept Finley on the practice squad instead of him. You could call this a mulligan since they missed last year, but I don't see it as a mulligan because a late pick like that isn't expected to even make the roster.

FYI, projections don't mean s**t. No team in the NFL follows the CBS draft grades for players so your point is moot. Right now he is a sixth round pick who is will be forced to earn a roster spot. I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee but the team wont give up on Coffee for another year or two.

McKillop was inserted into the starting lineup and was subsequently benched. If we had no intentions of starting him then why was he started at TED?

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Pitt linebacker Scott McKillop becomes the 49ers first fifth-rounder. As mentioned in the last blog, he's a tackling maniac who won't wow anyone in practice, but he's nearly 250 pounds and could be the perfect replacement for Takeo Spikes.

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Scott McKillop. 6-1, 244. The 49ers have been searching for two years for a future "Ted" linebacker to be the Robin to Willis' Batman. After finding McKillop in the fifth round of the draft, they could hardly contain themselves. Of all the team's draft picks - a list that includes Michael Crabtree, mind you - team officials were most jazzed about McKillop, perhaps because he projects as the perfect complement to Willis. I was on hand for all the Senior Bowl practices this year. A typical running play went something like this: Hand off to the back. Big pile after two yards. Players get up and McKillop is at the bottom with his arms around the runner's ankles.

The plan was to make him into a TED and after realizing he probably will just be depth at the position we had to redraft again to find a better prospect.



Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.



The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

Why was McKillop started at TED? Maybe because Ulbrich was out with his concussions, Takeo was out, and the only other player at ILB was Matt Wilhelm who had been on the team for a week or two. You really are expecting waaaaaaaay too much of a rookie 5th round pick if you expect him to be a starter during his rookie year let alone during his entire career. Late round guys that work out are nice but teams don't expect starters in those rounds. The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.

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Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.

I'm glad you know Dixon will have a better career than Coffee. Can I use your crystal ball to look into the future to see what you're seeing?

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The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

I'm talking about where these guys actually got drafted, not where some guy said they would go.

And here we go.....

After further research McKillop actually never started, he was put into the game midway. Following a series or 2 he was taken out of the game and replaced. Also at that time Wilhelm had already been on the team for almost a month. So nobody ever expected him to be the starter out of the gates, the problem is he hasn't shown enough to be considered a solid #2 and future starter. If you would like you can listen to Sing and Trent's recent pressers about Bowman and where he can play....for some reason the word TED keeps coming up.

Lets try this one more time....Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder[b]....so it sounds like a draft whiff to me if that happens to be the case.

And lastly The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.. Well I understand enough that we just drafted somebody new to take what should of been his spot because he didn't lock it down. If we go by your logic what rounds can we decide on for a rookie not to be expected to play their position?

McKillop was a 5th round pick, he was not expected to be a future starter. The team had hopes that he could, but the only expectations of him were to be a good special teamer. How hard is that for you to understand? The team has said many times that the first 3 rounds are for future starters and the later round guys fill roles. If they hit on a later guy, they are happy but they don't EXPECT them to be anything more than a role player. This idea isn’t exclusive to the 49ers either, most teams around the league expect the same thing from rounds 1-3 and 4-7.

McKillop COULD have taken the TED spot but to say he SHOULD have is putting unreasonable expectations on a 5th round pick. He still has an opportunity to be the future TED, but most likely will be the future Jeff Ulbrich(which is a good pick).

I like your logic about the running backs. Because someone on a forum says they like player A more than player B, then player B was obviously a "whiff." Congratulations on using an expert opinion like mine.

When Dixon replaces Coffee, you can call that pick a whiff. Until then, you are just talking out of your ass about possibilities and your “projections.”
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
I think you put too much value into the late round picks. Nobody except the webzone was expecting those late round guys to be starters. The 49ers missed last year on Bear Pascoe. You could call this a mulligan since they missed last year, but I don't see it as a mulligan because a late pick like that isn't expected to even make the roster.

The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.

McKillop was a 5th round pick, he was not expected to be a future starter. The team had hopes that he could, but the only expectations of him were to be a good special teamer. How hard is that for you to understand? The team has said many times that the first 3 rounds are for future starters and the later round guys fill roles. If they hit on a later guy, they are happy but they don't EXPECT them to be anything more than a role player. This idea isn’t exclusive to the 49ers either, most teams around the league expect the same thing from rounds 1-3 and 4-7.

Good GM’s are looking for eventual starters in all rounds. Only dog-crap GM’s would think, “well it’s rd 4 or 5, lets look for back-ups”. Sure they draft for ‘need’ in the later rounds, but good GM’s (and good teams) also find starters in later rds. That’s how they get to be good teams. Sure they don't 'expect' them all to start, but a few should turn into starters and most of the rest should 'make the roster'. 6th rd picks are indeed “expected to make the roster”.

This is ridiculous, it’s a simple fact, in 2009 we re-picked 3 positions with middle round picks (an ILB, a blocking TE as well as a ‘power' RB). We picked the exact same positions in the middle rounds of both the 2008 and 2009 drafts. I believe that is part of the reason McClown is no longer with us.
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
1st round receiver vs. 6th round receiver
2nd round safety vs. 7th rounds safety
3rd round linebacker vs. 5th round linebacker
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

I clearly stated that you can dismiss the Crabtree-Wilson and Taylor-Mays because one is clearly better then the other.

Now, a 3rd round pick I still consider a mid round pick just as I do a 5th round pick. We used a mid rounder this year to redraft and OLB/ILB even though we did the same last year. Clearly McKillop didn't leave the strongest of impressions so we took another ILB again. If McKillop was the guy we wouldn't of brought in a FA last year and started him after first starting McKillop. Bottom line is he was expected to be a future starter and obviously that isn't the case. FYI he was projected as a 3rd round pick!!

A 6th round TE for a 6th round TE is clearly a mulligan.

Lastly we drafted another thumper even though we did the same last year. If a position is 100% set you rarely draft that same position again back to back years. I would bet that come TC you will see serious competition at RB and ILB, what does that tell you...that we aren't set at the position in some way.

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Dixon is a monster at 6-1, 245 pounds and led the SEC in rushing yards per game (yes, he outran Heisman winner Mark Ingram), but he fell into the sixth round because scouts were apparently concerned about his lack of quickness. Dixon is a surprisingly good pass-catcher and a willing blocker, and looks like a much better fit to pair with Frank Gore than Glen Coffee was. I think you'll see Dixon on the field a significant amount in '10.

Per CBS draft scout he was graded as a round 3-4 pick


Now am I crowning any of these kids...nope. I'm saying that I think we are unhappy with some of last years picks and that's why we saw so many of the positions touched on again.

I think you put too much value into the late round picks. Nobody except the webzone was expecting those late round guys to be starters. I'm sure the team hopes that McKillop can turn into a starter but I strongly doubt they expected him to turn into anything more than a good special teamer like Jeff Ulbrich. They didn't address the need for a future TED last year with McKillop, they addressed the need for a special teams ace at linebacker with the hope he could turn into a TED. The 49ers didn't miss on Scott McKillop, he will be on the roster for a long time. You can't call a mulligan on a player who could be the next Jeff Ulbrich.

I think the thumper running back crap is because Singletary doesn't care about a change of pace back. His plan is to run people over with Gore(big), Coffee(bigger), and Dixon(biggest). He doesn't need to run off tackle because his team imposes it's will on other teams by running three different plays up the gut. We are in for another season of crappy and predictable play-calling which may cost Singletary his job.

The 49ers missed last year on Bear Pascoe. He obviously didn't fit their philosophy since they kept Finley on the practice squad instead of him. You could call this a mulligan since they missed last year, but I don't see it as a mulligan because a late pick like that isn't expected to even make the roster.

FYI, projections don't mean s**t. No team in the NFL follows the CBS draft grades for players so your point is moot. Right now he is a sixth round pick who is will be forced to earn a roster spot. I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee but the team wont give up on Coffee for another year or two.

McKillop was inserted into the starting lineup and was subsequently benched. If we had no intentions of starting him then why was he started at TED?

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Pitt linebacker Scott McKillop becomes the 49ers first fifth-rounder. As mentioned in the last blog, he's a tackling maniac who won't wow anyone in practice, but he's nearly 250 pounds and could be the perfect replacement for Takeo Spikes.

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Scott McKillop. 6-1, 244. The 49ers have been searching for two years for a future "Ted" linebacker to be the Robin to Willis' Batman. After finding McKillop in the fifth round of the draft, they could hardly contain themselves. Of all the team's draft picks - a list that includes Michael Crabtree, mind you - team officials were most jazzed about McKillop, perhaps because he projects as the perfect complement to Willis. I was on hand for all the Senior Bowl practices this year. A typical running play went something like this: Hand off to the back. Big pile after two yards. Players get up and McKillop is at the bottom with his arms around the runner's ankles.

The plan was to make him into a TED and after realizing he probably will just be depth at the position we had to redraft again to find a better prospect.



Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.



The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

Why was McKillop started at TED? Maybe because Ulbrich was out with his concussions, Takeo was out, and the only other player at ILB was Matt Wilhelm who had been on the team for a week or two. You really are expecting waaaaaaaay too much of a rookie 5th round pick if you expect him to be a starter during his rookie year let alone during his entire career. Late round guys that work out are nice but teams don't expect starters in those rounds. The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.

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Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.

I'm glad you know Dixon will have a better career than Coffee. Can I use your crystal ball to look into the future to see what you're seeing?

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The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

I'm talking about where these guys actually got drafted, not where some guy said they would go.

And here we go.....

After further research McKillop actually never started, he was put into the game midway. Following a series or 2 he was taken out of the game and replaced. Also at that time Wilhelm had already been on the team for almost a month. So nobody ever expected him to be the starter out of the gates, the problem is he hasn't shown enough to be considered a solid #2 and future starter. If you would like you can listen to Sing and Trent's recent pressers about Bowman and where he can play....for some reason the word TED keeps coming up.

Lets try this one more time....Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder[b]....so it sounds like a draft whiff to me if that happens to be the case.

And lastly The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.. Well I understand enough that we just drafted somebody new to take what should of been his spot because he didn't lock it down. If we go by your logic what rounds can we decide on for a rookie not to be expected to play their position?

McKillop was a 5th round pick, he was not expected to be a future starter. The team had hopes that he could, but the only expectations of him were to be a good special teamer. How hard is that for you to understand? The team has said many times that the first 3 rounds are for future starters and the later round guys fill roles. If they hit on a later guy, they are happy but they don't EXPECT them to be anything more than a role player. This idea isn’t exclusive to the 49ers either, most teams around the league expect the same thing from rounds 1-3 and 4-7.

McKillop COULD have taken the TED spot but to say he SHOULD have is putting unreasonable expectations on a 5th round pick. He still has an opportunity to be the future TED, but most likely will be the future Jeff Ulbrich(which is a good pick).

I like your logic about the running backs. Because someone on a forum says they like player A more than player B, then player B was obviously a "whiff." Congratulations on using an expert opinion like mine.

When Dixon replaces Coffee, you can call that pick a whiff. Until then, you are just talking out of your ass about possibilities and your “projections.”

I really like the "Watch" function on this site

Can I call that pick a whiff now?
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
1st round receiver vs. 6th round receiver
2nd round safety vs. 7th rounds safety
3rd round linebacker vs. 5th round linebacker
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

I clearly stated that you can dismiss the Crabtree-Wilson and Taylor-Mays because one is clearly better then the other.

Now, a 3rd round pick I still consider a mid round pick just as I do a 5th round pick. We used a mid rounder this year to redraft and OLB/ILB even though we did the same last year. Clearly McKillop didn't leave the strongest of impressions so we took another ILB again. If McKillop was the guy we wouldn't of brought in a FA last year and started him after first starting McKillop. Bottom line is he was expected to be a future starter and obviously that isn't the case. FYI he was projected as a 3rd round pick!!

A 6th round TE for a 6th round TE is clearly a mulligan.

Lastly we drafted another thumper even though we did the same last year. If a position is 100% set you rarely draft that same position again back to back years. I would bet that come TC you will see serious competition at RB and ILB, what does that tell you...that we aren't set at the position in some way.

From ESPN
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Dixon is a monster at 6-1, 245 pounds and led the SEC in rushing yards per game (yes, he outran Heisman winner Mark Ingram), but he fell into the sixth round because scouts were apparently concerned about his lack of quickness. Dixon is a surprisingly good pass-catcher and a willing blocker, and looks like a much better fit to pair with Frank Gore than Glen Coffee was. I think you'll see Dixon on the field a significant amount in '10.

Per CBS draft scout he was graded as a round 3-4 pick


Now am I crowning any of these kids...nope. I'm saying that I think we are unhappy with some of last years picks and that's why we saw so many of the positions touched on again.

I think you put too much value into the late round picks. Nobody except the webzone was expecting those late round guys to be starters. I'm sure the team hopes that McKillop can turn into a starter but I strongly doubt they expected him to turn into anything more than a good special teamer like Jeff Ulbrich. They didn't address the need for a future TED last year with McKillop, they addressed the need for a special teams ace at linebacker with the hope he could turn into a TED. The 49ers didn't miss on Scott McKillop, he will be on the roster for a long time. You can't call a mulligan on a player who could be the next Jeff Ulbrich.

I think the thumper running back crap is because Singletary doesn't care about a change of pace back. His plan is to run people over with Gore(big), Coffee(bigger), and Dixon(biggest). He doesn't need to run off tackle because his team imposes it's will on other teams by running three different plays up the gut. We are in for another season of crappy and predictable play-calling which may cost Singletary his job.

The 49ers missed last year on Bear Pascoe. He obviously didn't fit their philosophy since they kept Finley on the practice squad instead of him. You could call this a mulligan since they missed last year, but I don't see it as a mulligan because a late pick like that isn't expected to even make the roster.

FYI, projections don't mean s**t. No team in the NFL follows the CBS draft grades for players so your point is moot. Right now he is a sixth round pick who is will be forced to earn a roster spot. I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee but the team wont give up on Coffee for another year or two.

McKillop was inserted into the starting lineup and was subsequently benched. If we had no intentions of starting him then why was he started at TED?

Quote:
Pitt linebacker Scott McKillop becomes the 49ers first fifth-rounder. As mentioned in the last blog, he's a tackling maniac who won't wow anyone in practice, but he's nearly 250 pounds and could be the perfect replacement for Takeo Spikes.

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Scott McKillop. 6-1, 244. The 49ers have been searching for two years for a future "Ted" linebacker to be the Robin to Willis' Batman. After finding McKillop in the fifth round of the draft, they could hardly contain themselves. Of all the team's draft picks - a list that includes Michael Crabtree, mind you - team officials were most jazzed about McKillop, perhaps because he projects as the perfect complement to Willis. I was on hand for all the Senior Bowl practices this year. A typical running play went something like this: Hand off to the back. Big pile after two yards. Players get up and McKillop is at the bottom with his arms around the runner's ankles.

The plan was to make him into a TED and after realizing he probably will just be depth at the position we had to redraft again to find a better prospect.



Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.



The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

Why was McKillop started at TED? Maybe because Ulbrich was out with his concussions, Takeo was out, and the only other player at ILB was Matt Wilhelm who had been on the team for a week or two. You really are expecting waaaaaaaay too much of a rookie 5th round pick if you expect him to be a starter during his rookie year let alone during his entire career. Late round guys that work out are nice but teams don't expect starters in those rounds. The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.

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Nobody ever said anything about giving up on Coffee, just he fact that he may end up as the #3. Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder....sounds like a draft whiff to me.

I'm glad you know Dixon will have a better career than Coffee. Can I use your crystal ball to look into the future to see what you're seeing?

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The reason I bring up draft grades is because you keep comparing round to round picks. If you don't want to talk about projections then don't bring up rounds.

I'm talking about where these guys actually got drafted, not where some guy said they would go.

And here we go.....

After further research McKillop actually never started, he was put into the game midway. Following a series or 2 he was taken out of the game and replaced. Also at that time Wilhelm had already been on the team for almost a month. So nobody ever expected him to be the starter out of the gates, the problem is he hasn't shown enough to be considered a solid #2 and future starter. If you would like you can listen to Sing and Trent's recent pressers about Bowman and where he can play....for some reason the word TED keeps coming up.

Lets try this one more time....Now you say, I love the pick and think he will be as good if not better than Coffee. Then you are in fact saying are 6th rounder may pan out better then our 3rd rounder[b]....so it sounds like a draft whiff to me if that happens to be the case.

And lastly The only people who expect these players to become starters are fans like you who apparently don't understand the draft.. Well I understand enough that we just drafted somebody new to take what should of been his spot because he didn't lock it down. If we go by your logic what rounds can we decide on for a rookie not to be expected to play their position?

McKillop was a 5th round pick, he was not expected to be a future starter. The team had hopes that he could, but the only expectations of him were to be a good special teamer. How hard is that for you to understand? The team has said many times that the first 3 rounds are for future starters and the later round guys fill roles. If they hit on a later guy, they are happy but they don't EXPECT them to be anything more than a role player. This idea isn’t exclusive to the 49ers either, most teams around the league expect the same thing from rounds 1-3 and 4-7.

McKillop COULD have taken the TED spot but to say he SHOULD have is putting unreasonable expectations on a 5th round pick. He still has an opportunity to be the future TED, but most likely will be the future Jeff Ulbrich(which is a good pick).

I like your logic about the running backs. Because someone on a forum says they like player A more than player B, then player B was obviously a "whiff." Congratulations on using an expert opinion like mine.

When Dixon replaces Coffee, you can call that pick a whiff. Until then, you are just talking out of your ass about possibilities and your “projections.”

I really like the "Watch" function on this site

Can I call that pick a whiff now?

Other than Crabtree, I'm unimpressed with the 09 draft. Not a good draft for us