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We just called a mini-mulligan for the 09 draft.

2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!
Originally posted by jreff22:
2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!

This years draft is much deeper and we were able to get quality depth in this draft. Some of the 09 guys didn't work out and they are being replaced here, can't read to far into it though it's not apples to apples.

Crabtree=1st round pick, selected to be #1 WR
Williams=6th round pick, selected to compete for roster spot/depth at RS

Pascoa=sucked as 6th round blocking TE selection
Bynam=in a deep draft one of the best blocking TE's last till mid 6th round

McKillop=5th round pick drafted to replace J.Ulbrich be a backup ILB and a special teams guy
Bowman=3rd round pick with a 2nd round grade drafted to take over for T.Spikes and start next to Willis for years to come

C.Taylor-7th round pick drafted to compete for roster spot/depth at S
T.Mays-2nd round pick drafted to replace M.Lewis and start next to Goldston for years to come

The difference is some of the picks are for depth/ST play some are to be starters now or in the near future.
i understand where ur coming from with that...
first off i NEVER like the s.mckillop pick. i just think he's undersized and not very physical for what we do. b.pascoe was a bad pick. i just think that whatever you learned about the guy that caused him to not make ur roster vs no real competition, you should have been able to learn or at least get a sense of BEFORE you drafted him.

i still like that we picked coffee () and adding a.dixon this year isnt really a big deal to me. if there was a decent potential NT or CB there, that's another story, but there wasnt so adding a.dixon to challenge m.rob is not a bad thing IMO.

so i kinda agree on the ILB and the TE picks, but not the RB picks. personally, i like this year's RB, ILB and TE picks MUCH BETTER than last year's picks, but the fact that we drafted similar guys last year makes me more upset about last year's draft. (but i like crabtree, coffee and even c.taylor)

perhaps this is part of why sing wanted to be more involved this year?
Just talking about the running backs, I think Singletary and Rathman really wanted Shonn Greene but were beat to the punch by the Jets earlier in that round. They still needed a backup for Gore and so they got the guy who is uncannily similar in size and style in Coffee (one cut inside runner). This year, they got their Shonn Greene -- twice. Dixon or Blount will be the change of pace back, but rather than as a scat back, as the halfback who will pound the other team into submission, especially late in the game if/when the Niners are ahead.

My guess is that if the OL pans out this season, the Niners will find an off-tackle running back in the next draft. It'll be easier to do so since it will be less important for that back to have to block blitzing linebackers, etc., the lack of which ability was the reason Kory Sheets was let go while our line was so horrific.

This would give them their one cut inside runner (Gore), a bruising halfback (Dixon/Blount), and someone who can run around the edge or shift to the slot as a receiver (a Sheets/Sproles type).
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1st round receiver vs. 6th round receiver
2nd round safety vs. 7th rounds safety
3rd round linebacker vs. 5th round linebacker
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.
The only so-called redraft picks I see are Bowman for McKillop and Byham for Pascoe.
Originally posted by 23zack80:
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

What?
Bear Pascoe was a bust (both drafted in 6th)
Coffee was over-drafted (he was a 3rd), and Coffee may very well be beat out by a 6th pick. So I would consider Coffee a 're-do'.
Originally posted by maxsmart:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

What?
Bear Pascoe was a bust (both drafted in 6th)
Coffee was over-drafted (he was a 3rd), and Coffee may very well be beat out by a 6th pick. So I would consider Coffee a 're-do'.

Coffee was not "over-drafted." Last year when the Niners took him, it was pretty unanimous with draft pundits that he was expected to go in the 3rd and that it was a pretty good pick by the Niners.

I think people suffer from "new toy" syndrome. They get a toy they think is awesome, then a year later the toy isn't so great because they are used to it. Now a new toy is given to them and they immediately want to throw out the old toy, even though there might be a lot of good left in it. Coffee only played for year with one of the worst lines in football. Give the guy a chance.
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Originally posted by maxsmart:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

What?
Bear Pascoe was a bust (both drafted in 6th)
Coffee was over-drafted (he was a 3rd), and Coffee may very well be beat out by a 6th pick. So I would consider Coffee a 're-do'.

Do you expect Byham to make the roster? I doubt he will. Finley or Curtis will be the blocking tight end and Byham will make the practice squad most likely. These sixth round guys have a very slim chance of making our roster, just like many other teams 6th and 7th round guys. The team has not given up on Coffee, he will most likely be the #2 unless Dixon comes in and blows the team away. Either way, Frank will get most of the snaps so you'll be disappointed with Dixon and talk aboutt how he is a bust next year.
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:

I think people suffer from "new toy" syndrome. They get a toy they think is awesome, then a year later the toy isn't so great because they are used to it. Now a new toy is given to them and they immediately want to throw out the old toy, even though there might be a lot of good left in it. Coffee only played for year with one of the worst lines in football. Give the guy a chance.
forget it...i think that you'll find people here who dont even give 7th-round pick a real chance. some people forget that even gore sucked behind that o-line in a lot of games last year...
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by maxsmart:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

What?
Bear Pascoe was a bust (both drafted in 6th)
Coffee was over-drafted (he was a 3rd), and Coffee may very well be beat out by a 6th pick. So I would consider Coffee a 're-do'.

Do you expect Byham to make the roster? I doubt he will. Finley or Curtis will be the blocking tight end and Byham will make the practice squad most likely. These sixth round guys have a very slim chance of making our roster, just like many other teams 6th and 7th round guys. The team has not given up on Coffee, he will most likely be the #2 unless Dixon comes in and blows the team away. Either way, Frank will get most of the snaps so you'll be disappointed with Dixon and talk aboutt how he is a bust next year.

there will certainly be a competition for that 3rd TE spot, but did I read somewhere that Byham can play an "H-Back" kind of role? I might be making that up. But if so, if he could play a kind of hybrid FB, TE, glorified OL position, I would love to keep him as the FB/3rd TE and open up a roster spot for a specialist in the return game or an extra LB, maybe even an extra RB if he proves he can be a playmaker...
Originally posted by jreff22:
2009 49ers Draft
1 10 10 Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
3 10 74 Glen Coffee RB Alabama
5 10 146 Scott McKillop ILB Pittsburgh
5 35 171 Nate Davis QB Ball State
6 11 184 Bear Pascoe TE Fresno State
7 10 219 Curtis Taylor S LSU
7 35 244 Ricky Jean-Francois DT LSU

2010 49ers Draft
1 11 11 Anthony Davis T Rutgers
1 17 17 Mike Iupati G Idaho
2 17 49 Taylor Mays S USC
3 27 91 Navorro Bowman OLB Penn State
6 4 173 Anthony Dixon RB Mississippi State
6 13 182 Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
6 37 206 Kyle Williams WR Arizona State
7 17 224 Phillip Adams CB South Carolina State

Going back and looking at last years draft, I noticed we just drafted the same 5 positions again. Granted, Crabtree and Williams are 2 different kids that bring opposite skill sets to the team so the difference is apparent. But Coffee-Dixon, Pascoe-Byham, McKillop-Bowman, and (like the Crabtree-Willams differences) Taylor-Mays (that was on accident). I find it a little odd that we had to seriously redraft 3 positions again. Obviously I could be reading too much into it but does this mean we whiffed on those picks last year? Looking at a McCloughan draft vs a Baalke draft I hope for our sake we didn't just set ourselves up again for another redraft in the near future. I love this years draft class but I loved last years as well!!!

Great point. You could even go back to 2008 and say that the team taking 2 OL was a mulligan for whiffing on Cody Wallace and possibly Rachel (although I think he makes a step forward this season). I am on record as not being a McCloughan fan. With the exception of Crabtree and Morgan that 2 drafts with him as the main decision maker are looking to be subpar.
Originally posted by 23zack80:
Originally posted by maxsmart:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

What?
Bear Pascoe was a bust (both drafted in 6th)
Coffee was over-drafted (he was a 3rd), and Coffee may very well be beat out by a 6th pick. So I would consider Coffee a 're-do'.

Do you expect Byham to make the roster? I doubt he will. Finley or Curtis will be the blocking tight end and Byham will make the practice squad most likely. These sixth round guys have a very slim chance of making our roster, just like many other teams 6th and 7th round guys. The team has not given up on Coffee, he will most likely be the #2 unless Dixon comes in and blows the team away. Either way, Frank will get most of the snaps so you'll be disappointed with Dixon and talk aboutt how he is a bust next year.

Sixth round guys like Josh Morgan hardly ever make the team.
on the subject of scot's drafts...
gore, davis, willis are all guys scot drafted who went to the probowl...
goldson, staley, crabtree, morgan, walker, t.brown, and lawson are all very good football players he drafted.

there are several other names that will likely be developing in the next few years

i'll leave the alex debate out of this one.

all that said, i think he was just ok at the draft, but i think he did a very nice job in FA with guys like clements, spikes, j.smith, l.allen, w.harris, m.lewis, a.franklin, a.brooks...
Originally posted by RedWaltz24:
Originally posted by maxsmart:
Originally posted by 23zack80:
6th round tightend vs. 6th round tightend
3rd round runningback vs. 6th round running back

Late round picks aren't expected to be starters. They are expected to fill roles and be special teamers. Calling this draft a mini-mulligan doesn't make sense since all of your comparisons are early picks to late picks or late picks to late picks.

What?
Bear Pascoe was a bust (both drafted in 6th)
Coffee was over-drafted (he was a 3rd), and Coffee may very well be beat out by a 6th pick. So I would consider Coffee a 're-do'.

Coffee was not "over-drafted." Last year when the Niners took him, it was pretty unanimous with draft pundits that he was expected to go in the 3rd and that it was a pretty good pick by the Niners.

I think people suffer from "new toy" syndrome. They get a toy they think is awesome, then a year later the toy isn't so great because they are used to it. Now a new toy is given to them and they immediately want to throw out the old toy, even though there might be a lot of good left in it. Coffee only played for year with one of the worst lines in football. Give the guy a chance.

Nobody is implying that Coffee is a used toy. The premise of the thread was to point out that we have redrafted certain positions back to back. Granted Dixon is a later round pick but we still drafted a kid. If we had complete faith in Coffee would we draft another thumper the following year. Also considering Gore carries the vast majority of the load, point being I don't think we had faith in Coffee as the primary backup.
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