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The Wheels Fall Off the Spiller Bandwagon (And Possibly the Dez Express)

Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Gore being injured = loses, having depth that can carry the load is still needed.

Dude we would have beaten Minny if not for a Favre miracle.. with no Gore. We still don't know what Coffee has because like Gore, he had no holes last year. Everyone was on his nuts in the preseason when he had decent blocking, he's fine as a back up. So is it a back up you want or a change of pace, because you draft those guys in later rounds.

Coffe isn't a game changer, I don't see that in him. I want a backup/change of pace RB that is always described as "has the ability to take it to the house every time". If by some God awful chance Gore goes down for 4-6 games and all we have is Coffee and MRob we will be screwed.

You can say that about most teams with a high profile starting RB. If Peterson went down, the Vikings may be screwed, same with the Jags and MJD, Steven Jackson and the Rams, Johnson and the Titans etc etc. That doesn't mean that every one of those teams will draft an RB in the first round.
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Gore being injured = loses, having depth that can carry the load is still needed.

Dude we would have beaten Minny if not for a Favre miracle.. with no Gore. We still don't know what Coffee has because like Gore, he had no holes last year. Everyone was on his nuts in the preseason when he had decent blocking, he's fine as a back up. So is it a back up you want or a change of pace, because you draft those guys in later rounds.

Coffe isn't a game changer, I don't see that in him. I want a backup/change of pace RB that is always described as "has the ability to take it to the house every time". If by some God awful chance Gore goes down for 4-6 games and all we have is Coffee and MRob we will be screwed.

You can say that about most teams with a high profile starting RB. If Peterson went down, the Vikings may be screwed, same with the Jags and MJD, Steven Jackson and the Rams, Johnson and the Titans etc etc. That doesn't mean that every one of those teams will draft an RB in the first round.

What that shows is why teams have invested in 2 good RB's. Expecting only 1 guy to handle the load all season is too risky.
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Gore being injured = loses, having depth that can carry the load is still needed.

Dude we would have beaten Minny if not for a Favre miracle.. with no Gore. We still don't know what Coffee has because like Gore, he had no holes last year. Everyone was on his nuts in the preseason when he had decent blocking, he's fine as a back up. So is it a back up you want or a change of pace, because you draft those guys in later rounds.

Coffe isn't a game changer, I don't see that in him. I want a backup/change of pace RB that is always described as "has the ability to take it to the house every time". If by some God awful chance Gore goes down for 4-6 games and all we have is Coffee and MRob we will be screwed.

You can say that about most teams with a high profile starting RB. If Peterson went down, the Vikings may be screwed, same with the Jags and MJD, Steven Jackson and the Rams, Johnson and the Titans etc etc. That doesn't mean that every one of those teams will draft an RB in the first round.

What that shows is why teams have invested in 2 good RB's. Expecting only 1 guy to handle the load all season is too risky.

That's a fairly weak reason to draft Spiller at this point. The rationale for getting Spiller initially was centered around what he would do for our special teams and the fact that he could compliment Gore was secondary. If we want another backup RB for Gore, we can get that in later rounds with Best, Gerhart, McKnight, Dwyer, Blount etc. There is no reason to spend a 1st on an RB anymore.
I really don't understand the hate/dislike of Spiller. He's a quality prospect and a high-character kid who would add speed, explosive playmaking ability and versatility out of any team's backfield along with being an impact player on special teams.

For offense-challenged teams like ours, he'd be a great addition...but if even if you feel there's greater needs on this team or better value in the mid-1st round, I don't see the need to hate on the kid.
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Niners23:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Gore being injured = loses, having depth that can carry the load is still needed.

Dude we would have beaten Minny if not for a Favre miracle.. with no Gore. We still don't know what Coffee has because like Gore, he had no holes last year. Everyone was on his nuts in the preseason when he had decent blocking, he's fine as a back up. So is it a back up you want or a change of pace, because you draft those guys in later rounds.

Coffe isn't a game changer, I don't see that in him. I want a backup/change of pace RB that is always described as "has the ability to take it to the house every time". If by some God awful chance Gore goes down for 4-6 games and all we have is Coffee and MRob we will be screwed.

You can say that about most teams with a high profile starting RB. If Peterson went down, the Vikings may be screwed, same with the Jags and MJD, Steven Jackson and the Rams, Johnson and the Titans etc etc. That doesn't mean that every one of those teams will draft an RB in the first round.

What that shows is why teams have invested in 2 good RB's. Expecting only 1 guy to handle the load all season is too risky.

That's a fairly weak reason to draft Spiller at this point. The rationale for getting Spiller initially was centered around what he would do for our special teams and the fact that he could compliment Gore was secondary. If we want another backup RB for Gore, we can get that in later rounds with Best, Gerhart, McKnight, Dwyer, Blount etc. There is no reason to spend a 1st on an RB anymore.

No it wast, it was an equal 50/50 to both. We have been a 1 back team and that philosophy is outdated at this point. Lets look at top teams and how they address the RB position:
Saints-Reggie Bush (1st round pick) & Pierre Thomas
Colts-Joesph Addai (1st round pick) & Donald Brown (1st round pick)
Jets-Shonn Greene & Thomas Jones (1st round pick) released for LaDainian Tomlinson (1st round pick)
Vikings-Adrian Peterson (1st round pick) & Chester Taylor released
Eagles-Lesean McCoy & Brian Westbrook released
Cowboys-Marion Barber & Felix Jones (1st round pick) & Tashard Choice

Now as far as the top Rushing teams in the league:
1. New York Jets-Already broken down above
2. Tennessee Titans-Chris Johnson (1st round pick) & LenDale White
3. Carolina Panthers-DeAngelo Williams (1st round pick) & Jonathan Stewart (1st round pick)
4. Miami Dolphins-Ricky Williams (1st round pick) & Ronnie Brown (1st round pick)
5. Baltimore Ravens-Ray Rice & Willis McGahee (1st round pick)

If you happen to notice a trend its that almost every major rushing team has a 1st round RB. Does that mean by taking a kid in the 1st your team is destined for greatness......nope. But it does show that it generally helps more then it hurts and that's what I would expect with the addition of Spiller. All of those RB's you listed, there is no guarantee that we could get any of them. If Spiller happens to fall into our laps, that's the only real guaranteed shot we have at acquiring a RB. And most you listed don't qualify as a change of pace back, they are bruises just like Coffee which we don't need another clone of.
If spiller is still sitting there at 13 I don't see the niners letting him slip past them.

But it all depends who else slips down the board because they'll take the best player available
Originally posted by LA_NINERS:
I really don't understand how some people are closing the door on CJ Spiller.

Ted Ginn won't be able to handle PR duties and he certainly will not provide the 9ers with lateral / speed threat in the backfield.

Cj Spiller will still bring depth at the RB position and an able body to return punts.

Alex Smith can utilize him with swing passes, etc.
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Originally posted by bigtony2tone:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Gore being injured = loses, having depth that can carry the load is still needed.

Jahvid Best in the 3rd round. I can see it happening. This gives you a home-run hitter at HB as well as a 2nd option in the return game and great value at that spot. I just think a HB at 13 is just TOO high for a position considered easy to fill anymore. And don't sleep on Coffee.


i dont know why so many of you are on Best's nuts...hes a homerun hitter until he gets whacked in the NFL..

When and If Gore goes down..ALL of you are gonna wish we drafted Spiller..but by then im pretty sure this board is gonna be full of BS excuses as to why ya'll didnt want spiller..
[ Edited by LA49erFan4ever on Apr 16, 2010 at 6:23 PM ]
In a draft with two first rounders, one of the players can be what I call a "luxury pick". And, if the Niners think that Spiller is the most dynamic player in the draft, as many believe, it would not surprise me at all to see the pick. I do not believe Spiller will be on the board at 13, but if he is, the team will take a substantial look.

The trade for Ginn does take care of the return game, but since Ginn does not play RB, and our current backup is Coffee (who didn't impress anyone last year), there is an argument that you make the Spiller selection, and line this guy up all over the field.

Can you imagine in a passing down the combination of:
1) Davis
2) Ginn
3) Spiller
4) Morgan
5) Hill

That is a LOT of speed and size running down the field.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I really don't understand the hate/dislike of Spiller. He's a quality prospect and a high-character kid who would add speed, explosive playmaking ability and versatility out of any team's backfield along with being an impact player on special teams.

For offense-challenged teams like ours, he'd be a great addition...but if even if you feel there's greater needs on this team or better value in the mid-1st round, I don't see the need to hate on the kid.

Agreed. If the Niners take him, just think about all the weapons that Smith would have at his disposal. The issue of team speed at least on the offensive side of the ball would be history.
Originally posted by flynhayn15:
Originally posted by LA_NINERS:
I really don't understand how some people are closing the door on CJ Spiller.

Ted Ginn won't be able to handle PR duties and he certainly will not provide the 9ers with lateral / speed threat in the backfield.

Cj Spiller will still bring depth at the RB position and an able body to return punts.

Alex Smith can utilize him with swing passes, etc.

Awesome return!
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I could still see them drafting Spiller. Gore isn't getting any younger, and adding another pass catching RB that could play a Reggie Bush type role would be excellent.
Originally posted by bigtony2tone:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Gore being injured = loses, having depth that can carry the load is still needed.

Jahvid Best in the 3rd round. I can see it happening. This gives you a home-run hitter at HB as well as a 2nd option in the return game and great value at that spot. I just think a HB at 13 is just TOO high for a position considered easy to fill anymore. And don't sleep on Coffee.

What makes you think Best lasts to the 3rd? I doubt best reaches the 2nd or atleast till we pick there.
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
In a draft with two first rounders, one of the players can be what I call a "luxury pick". And, if the Niners think that Spiller is the most dynamic player in the draft, as many believe, it would not surprise me at all to see the pick. I do not believe Spiller will be on the board at 13, but if he is, the team will take a substantial look.

The trade for Ginn does take care of the return game, but since Ginn does not play RB, and our current backup is Coffee (who didn't impress anyone last year), there is an argument that you make the Spiller selection, and line this guy up all over the field.

Can you imagine in a passing down the combination of:
1) Davis
2) Ginn
3) Spiller
4) Morgan
5) Hill

That is a LOT of speed and size running down the field.



I would even go as far as to put Crabtree in for a passing down.
Originally posted by ttime1:
Someone is playing chess while others are playing checkers. It likely means that either he wont get past MIami or that the 9ers are giving an impresion that they hope will cause others to think that they are no longer targeting him. Regardless Ginn for a #5 s good value.

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