Would you draft Clausen? | Page 2

NTeply49 · 2010-04-10T05:58:42-07:00

I would draft him if hes there at 17. Here are some scouting reports and some of my insights to support my opinion. What's your thoughts on this kid? I would draft him in the first but I am more in favor of trading back or waiting until 17 to pull the trigger because after 13, the only team I think would be interested in Clausen between our 13th and 17th picks is Seattle and maybe Tennesee. If he isn't selected by 13 and no one wishes to trade up for him at our 13th pick, I would say draft the BPA and wait for 17. If hes still around wed have another opportunity to trade down, and if no one wants to trade down I say we take him at 17. I have been an avid pioneer on the Alex Smith band wagon and it feels like were at a crossroads on the Oregon trail with one path leading us to safety and a super bowl, and the other one will lead us to the Donner Pass during a long Tahoe winter. Trust me, Tahoe is cold. I live there. As for Clausen: Pros: As big a believer as some of us are in Alex Smith, we can all admit he still has bust potential. If he doesn't pan out this year, it would be nice having a young QB waiting in the wings and learning the offense instead of starting fresh next year. I know we have Nate Davis developing, but he would benefit from another year or two in the offense and you can never have too much competition at the QB position. I don't like David Carr. Alex Smith only has a one year deal and we currently don't have any Qbs with a starting QB salary. San Diego took a chance very similar to this one and it panned out for them. JC has played with a bad defense, a horrible offensive line, and still managed to keep his team in games and had 4 come back victories. Cons: I really don't want Alex Smith looking over his shoulder again and I don't think Singletary does either but I also don't think hell be able to pass up a potential franchise quarterback at 17. If Alex Smith blows up this year and we almost make super bowl but are a player short well look back on this decision. Here is a scouting report http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010jclausen.php * Strengths: *Solid size and adequate bulk * Very good arm strength; can fit balls into tight windows * Extremely quick, snappy release * Great accuracy * Nice hip torque on throws * Gets rid of ball quickly * Very decisive with the football * Takes what defense gives him; doesn't force ball/will throw away * Elite football IQ * Great touch * Well versed in NFL offense * Good sense of timing * Will step up/out of pocket * Knows how to read coverage * Sees the entire field; great vision * Very polished for a true junior * Shown outstanding development from freshman to junior season * Extremely intelligent * Ice in his veins; great poise * Mentally tough; plays through pain * Big leader * Confident * Film room rat * Elite intangibles * Good genetics and very well coached * Spent 3.5 years in a West Coast offense * Weaknesses: * Does a poor job of selling play action * Can get lazy with footwork - but has improved this * Not a fluid athlete * Personality might come off as abrasive * Sometimes gets too much air under fade route * Lacks a little pocket awareness Summary: Jimmy Clausen is a franchise quarterback. He has carried the spotlight since he was a teenager and has surpassed the hype. He has an outstanding skill set with the elite intangibles you see in the great quarterbacks. Clausen isn't fazed by tense situations and has great leadership when the game is on the line. He puts in the hours to be a great quarterback and you see it on tape. Clausen will likely be the first quarterback drafted and is a projected top-five draft pick. Player Comparison: Kurt Warner. Warner and Clausen both exhibit the same three-quarter release, they get the ball out quickly, and are extremely decisive/intelligent quarterbacks. Clausen has a stronger arm. 4/9/10: Jimmy Clausen completed 57-of-59 passes at his Pro Day, with the two misfires coming on fade routes to a relatively slow receiver (should have been Michael Floyd). Clausen is still arguably the top quarterback in this class. 3/11/10: Scored a 23 on his Wonderlic exam. A solid number, but it paled in comparison to Sam Bradford's 36. 2/27/10: Despite speculation that he might measure in at 6-1, Jimmy Clausen was a solid 6-2 1/2, 222 pounds at the Combine - which makes him taller than Mark Sanchez. Poor Todd McShay - now he's going to have to find something else wrong with Clausen. Here's a suggestion from Daniel S. via Facebook: "So what is [McShay] going to hate on next? His cup size?" I actually hope hes there at 13 to use as leverage to trade back and aquire more picks. I dont want to pick him at 13, but instead pass on him and if hes there at 17 wed get another chance to trade back. I wouldnt be upset if we took this guy at 17, he has the potential to be a franchise quarterback and hes dedicated to his craft and obsessed with perfect throwing mechanics. Reminds me this Drew Brees vs Olympic archer accuracy competition when Brees won due to consistent mechanics. [ Edited by NTeply49 on Apr 10, 2010 at 07:19:38 ]

Apr 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM

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English
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Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
I think that the 49ers two biggest needs are (in order) 1) O-Line, and specifically right tackle and 2) Quarterback.

I think drafting an OT then Clausen actually makes a lot of sense. Clausen can sit behind Smith and Carr for a year and absorb the offense then take over in an open competition next year. This means we do not have to keep Smith if he doesn't pan out, we can just let his contract expire. And it also gets Clausen with Davis, Gore and Crabtree. That's one solid offensive lineup.

I just hope he slips that far. If Aaron Rodgers can slip, so can Clausen.

Oscar, that means we are carrying 4 qb's on the roster next year. Can't see it.

We can put Nate Davis on the practice squad. If he gets snatched up we need to be okay with that because Clausen is (in theory, presuming we draft him in the 1st as opposed to the 5th like Davis) a much better prospect.

I'm not saying that we need to do that. We could go into the season without adding another QB. But I think there are some real benefits to allowing the QB to sit for a season or two and this situation allows that.

Interesting. Whilst I am not on the "Nate is the new Joe" bandwagon, I am not sure I would expose him to the PS. Unless, of course, the word from the coaches was that the zone don't know what they are talking about, the dude is garbage.

I think if I took Clausen I would dump Carr. You can have too many 1st round qb's. Betcha we don't have a shot at him, though! Long gone

Apr 10, 2010 at 1:59 PM

#17

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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
I think that the 49ers two biggest needs are (in order) 1) O-Line, and specifically right tackle and 2) Quarterback.

I think drafting an OT then Clausen actually makes a lot of sense. Clausen can sit behind Smith and Carr for a year and absorb the offense then take over in an open competition next year. This means we do not have to keep Smith if he doesn't pan out, we can just let his contract expire. And it also gets Clausen with Davis, Gore and Crabtree. That's one solid offensive lineup.

I just hope he slips that far. If Aaron Rodgers can slip, so can Clausen.

Oscar, that means we are carrying 4 qb's on the roster next year. Can't see it.

We can put Nate Davis on the practice squad. If he gets snatched up we need to be okay with that because Clausen is (in theory, presuming we draft him in the 1st as opposed to the 5th like Davis) a much better prospect.

I'm not saying that we need to do that. We could go into the season without adding another QB. But I think there are some real benefits to allowing the QB to sit for a season or two and this situation allows that.

Interesting. Whilst I am not on the "Nate is the new Joe" bandwagon, I am not sure I would expose him to the PS. Unless, of course, the word from the coaches was that the zone don't know what they are talking about, the dude is garbage.

I think if I took Clausen I would dump Carr. You can have too many 1st round qb's. Betcha we don't have a shot at him, though! Long gone

I agree that he will be long gone. But we also thought that Crabs woul dbe long gone. And the Packers had no idea that Rodgers would fall that far.

And on the flip side, the Cardinals wish Leinart wouldn't have fallen to #10

Apr 10, 2010 at 2:02 PM

#18

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Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
I think that the 49ers two biggest needs are (in order) 1) O-Line, and specifically right tackle and 2) Quarterback.

I think drafting an OT then Clausen actually makes a lot of sense. Clausen can sit behind Smith and Carr for a year and absorb the offense then take over in an open competition next year. This means we do not have to keep Smith if he doesn't pan out, we can just let his contract expire. And it also gets Clausen with Davis, Gore and Crabtree. That's one solid offensive lineup.

I just hope he slips that far. If Aaron Rodgers can slip, so can Clausen.

Oscar, that means we are carrying 4 qb's on the roster next year. Can't see it.

We can put Nate Davis on the practice squad. If he gets snatched up we need to be okay with that because Clausen is (in theory, presuming we draft him in the 1st as opposed to the 5th like Davis) a much better prospect.

I'm not saying that we need to do that. We could go into the season without adding another QB. But I think there are some real benefits to allowing the QB to sit for a season or two and this situation allows that.

Interesting. Whilst I am not on the "Nate is the new Joe" bandwagon, I am not sure I would expose him to the PS. Unless, of course, the word from the coaches was that the zone don't know what they are talking about, the dude is garbage.

I think if I took Clausen I would dump Carr. You can have too many 1st round qb's. Betcha we don't have a shot at him, though! Long gone

I agree that he will be long gone. But we also thought that Crabs woul dbe long gone. And the Packers had no idea that Rodgers would fall that far.

And on the flip side, the Cardinals wish Leinart wouldn't have fallen to #10

He shouldn't have made that smart assed commercial about being thankful he hadn't been drafted by the Niners

Apr 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM

#19

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Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
I think that the 49ers two biggest needs are (in order) 1) O-Line, and specifically right tackle and 2) Quarterback.

I think drafting an OT then Clausen actually makes a lot of sense. Clausen can sit behind Smith and Carr for a year and absorb the offense then take over in an open competition next year. This means we do not have to keep Smith if he doesn't pan out, we can just let his contract expire. And it also gets Clausen with Davis, Gore and Crabtree. That's one solid offensive lineup.

I just hope he slips that far. If Aaron Rodgers can slip, so can Clausen.

Oscar, that means we are carrying 4 qb's on the roster next year. Can't see it.

We can put Nate Davis on the practice squad. If he gets snatched up we need to be okay with that because Clausen is (in theory, presuming we draft him in the 1st as opposed to the 5th like Davis) a much better prospect.

I'm not saying that we need to do that. We could go into the season without adding another QB. But I think there are some real benefits to allowing the QB to sit for a season or two and this situation allows that.

Interesting. Whilst I am not on the "Nate is the new Joe" bandwagon, I am not sure I would expose him to the PS. Unless, of course, the word from the coaches was that the zone don't know what they are talking about, the dude is garbage.

I think if I took Clausen I would dump Carr. You can have too many 1st round qb's. Betcha we don't have a shot at him, though! Long gone

I agree that he will be long gone. But we also thought that Crabs woul dbe long gone. And the Packers had no idea that Rodgers would fall that far.

And on the flip side, the Cardinals wish Leinart wouldn't have fallen to #10

He shouldn't have made that smart assed commercial about being thankful he hadn't been drafted by the Niners

Man, I remember Leinart was a sure thing. I remember people here wanted him instead of Smith and we wished he had come out a year earlier.

How things change, lol.

Apr 10, 2010 at 3:25 PM

#20

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Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
I think that the 49ers two biggest needs are (in order) 1) O-Line, and specifically right tackle and 2) Quarterback.

I think drafting an OT then Clausen actually makes a lot of sense. Clausen can sit behind Smith and Carr for a year and absorb the offense then take over in an open competition next year. This means we do not have to keep Smith if he doesn't pan out, we can just let his contract expire. And it also gets Clausen with Davis, Gore and Crabtree. That's one solid offensive lineup.

I just hope he slips that far. If Aaron Rodgers can slip, so can Clausen.

Oscar, that means we are carrying 4 qb's on the roster next year. Can't see it.

We can put Nate Davis on the practice squad. If he gets snatched up we need to be okay with that because Clausen is (in theory, presuming we draft him in the 1st as opposed to the 5th like Davis) a much better prospect.

I'm not saying that we need to do that. We could go into the season without adding another QB. But I think there are some real benefits to allowing the QB to sit for a season or two and this situation allows that.

I'm quite sure Davis is not eligible for the practice squad..

-9fA

Apr 10, 2010 at 3:39 PM

#21

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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
I think that the 49ers two biggest needs are (in order) 1) O-Line, and specifically right tackle and 2) Quarterback.

I think drafting an OT then Clausen actually makes a lot of sense. Clausen can sit behind Smith and Carr for a year and absorb the offense then take over in an open competition next year. This means we do not have to keep Smith if he doesn't pan out, we can just let his contract expire. And it also gets Clausen with Davis, Gore and Crabtree. That's one solid offensive lineup.

I just hope he slips that far. If Aaron Rodgers can slip, so can Clausen.

Oscar, that means we are carrying 4 qb's on the roster next year. Can't see it.

We can put Nate Davis on the practice squad. If he gets snatched up we need to be okay with that because Clausen is (in theory, presuming we draft him in the 1st as opposed to the 5th like Davis) a much better prospect.

I'm not saying that we need to do that. We could go into the season without adding another QB. But I think there are some real benefits to allowing the QB to sit for a season or two and this situation allows that.

I'm quite sure Davis is not eligible for the practice squad..

-9fA

I thought you had to have something like 3 or 4 accrued seasons in which you played in like 4 or more games? I'll look it up...

Apr 10, 2010 at 9:23 PM

#22

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If he is there at 17, they should grab him.

Apr 10, 2010 at 10:00 PM

#23

9erfanAUS
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Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
I think that the 49ers two biggest needs are (in order) 1) O-Line, and specifically right tackle and 2) Quarterback.

I think drafting an OT then Clausen actually makes a lot of sense. Clausen can sit behind Smith and Carr for a year and absorb the offense then take over in an open competition next year. This means we do not have to keep Smith if he doesn't pan out, we can just let his contract expire. And it also gets Clausen with Davis, Gore and Crabtree. That's one solid offensive lineup.

I just hope he slips that far. If Aaron Rodgers can slip, so can Clausen.

Oscar, that means we are carrying 4 qb's on the roster next year. Can't see it.

We can put Nate Davis on the practice squad. If he gets snatched up we need to be okay with that because Clausen is (in theory, presuming we draft him in the 1st as opposed to the 5th like Davis) a much better prospect.

I'm not saying that we need to do that. We could go into the season without adding another QB. But I think there are some real benefits to allowing the QB to sit for a season or two and this situation allows that.

I'm quite sure Davis is not eligible for the practice squad..

-9fA

I thought you had to have something like 3 or 4 accrued seasons in which you played in like 4 or more games? I'll look it up...

"According to league policy, only certain types of players are allowed to sign to the practice squad. Players cannot have played more than nine regular season games or been on the active roster for an entire year, nor can players be allowed to spend more than two seasons on the same team's squad unless that team's active roster never dips below 53 players. " linkage

Since Davis made the 53 man team and stayed there for one year, he may have accrued an NFL season. Not 100% sure though.

-9fA

Apr 10, 2010 at 11:12 PM

#24

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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by Oscar:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Oscar:
I think that the 49ers two biggest needs are (in order) 1) O-Line, and specifically right tackle and 2) Quarterback.

I think drafting an OT then Clausen actually makes a lot of sense. Clausen can sit behind Smith and Carr for a year and absorb the offense then take over in an open competition next year. This means we do not have to keep Smith if he doesn't pan out, we can just let his contract expire. And it also gets Clausen with Davis, Gore and Crabtree. That's one solid offensive lineup.

I just hope he slips that far. If Aaron Rodgers can slip, so can Clausen.

Oscar, that means we are carrying 4 qb's on the roster next year. Can't see it.

We can put Nate Davis on the practice squad. If he gets snatched up we need to be okay with that because Clausen is (in theory, presuming we draft him in the 1st as opposed to the 5th like Davis) a much better prospect.

I'm not saying that we need to do that. We could go into the season without adding another QB. But I think there are some real benefits to allowing the QB to sit for a season or two and this situation allows that.

I'm quite sure Davis is not eligible for the practice squad..

-9fA

I thought you had to have something like 3 or 4 accrued seasons in which you played in like 4 or more games? I'll look it up...

"According to league policy, only certain types of players are allowed to sign to the practice squad. Players cannot have played more than nine regular season games or been on the active roster for an entire year, nor can players be allowed to spend more than two seasons on the same team's squad unless that team's active roster never dips below 53 players. " linkage

Since Davis made the 53 man team and stayed there for one year, he may have accrued an NFL season. Not 100% sure though.

-9fA

I think you're right. Unless for some oddball reason the 3rd QB doesn't fit on there. Ut i highly doubt it.

Apr 11, 2010 at 12:50 AM

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I say take him at 13 if he is available. I am on the consensus that you don't get a franchise QB opportunity very often and if he is there at 13 then he is the "BPA" without question. Especially for a team with uncertainty at the position at the QB position and lets just admit it for 7 yearts the position has pretty much been a disaster.

I don't know how see how any of the zoners can say that we should not take him or use him as trade bait. He is more valuable in trade with a season or two under his belt in the NFL if it so happens that Alex pans out like some of you folks envision. You all know where I stand on the kid.

First of all I don't know if Clausen will be there at 13, doubt it, but if he is available and this organizations passes on getting a franchise QB just because of the fear of Alex looking over his shoulder than this organization is FAILED and deserves no fans.

Apr 11, 2010 at 1:17 AM

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Originally posted by ninerfan818:
I say take him at 13 if he is available. I am on the consensus that you don't get a franchise QB opportunity very often and if he is there at 13 then he is the "BPA" without question. Especially for a team with uncertainty at the position at the QB position and lets just admit it for 7 yearts the position has pretty much been a disaster.

I don't know how see how any of the zoners can say that we should not take him or use him as trade bait. He is more valuable in trade with a season or two under his belt in the NFL if it so happens that Alex pans out like some of you folks envision. You all know where I stand on the kid.

First of all I don't know if Clausen will be there at 13, doubt it, but if he is available and this organizations passes on getting a franchise QB just because of the fear of Alex looking over his shoulder than this organization is FAILED and deserves no fans.

If Smith pans out and Clausen just sits on the bench and only takes preseason snaps, it will be highly unlikely that we'll receive more than a 1st round pick for him.

Very rarely does player value increase or stay constant without spectacular regular season performance.

-9fA

Apr 11, 2010 at 1:21 AM

#27

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So in summary, here are my reasons why I wouldn't draft Clausen:

1. If the Smith experiment fails, then most likely we're going to be headed for a top 10 pick. At that position, we should be able to draft any of the top 2-3 QBs entering the draft next year.

2. While I'm not convinced about Nate Davis, if he has another solid preseason, he could make a believer out of me.

3. If Smith does pan out, we most likely won't receive equal compensation when the time comes to trade Clausen and we therefore have a negative return on the investment.

-9fA

Apr 11, 2010 at 3:19 AM

#28

drake49er
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Originally posted by mayo63:
I'd rather let Alex stink it up and get Locker or Luck in next years draft.

Apr 11, 2010 at 5:39 AM

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NTeply49
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Originally posted by ninerfan818:
I say take him at 13 if he is available. I am on the consensus that you don't get a franchise QB opportunity very often and if he is there at 13 then he is the "BPA" without question. Especially for a team with uncertainty at the position at the QB position and lets just admit it for 7 yearts the position has pretty much been a disaster.

I don't know how see how any of the zoners can say that we should not take him or use him as trade bait. He is more valuable in trade with a season or two under his belt in the NFL if it so happens that Alex pans out like some of you folks envision. You all know where I stand on the kid.

First of all I don't know if Clausen will be there at 13, doubt it, but if he is available and this organizations passes on getting a franchise QB just because of the fear of Alex looking over his shoulder than this organization is FAILED and deserves no fans.

Great point. Although I hope hes there at 13, I hope we are able to trade back and accumulate more picks or maybe even a first next year and a 2nd this year.

For those of you saying if we pass on this guy and alex stinks it up we can just get Locker...... Great, with the first pick in the 2011 draft the niners will not be picking. We have no chance at the kid because regardless of what alex does, theres no way we dont finish at least 2nd in our division.

Apr 11, 2010 at 5:57 AM

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Another Pro Clausen video showcasing him and Golden Tate. Looked pretty good throwing the ball, and for those of you whom have complained about his rainbow deep passes it talks about that as well.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d8176e5ae/Mayock-s-Clausen-evaluation

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