My 5rd Niners draft

13 RT-Trent Williams
17 FS-Earl Thomas
49 RS-Dexter McCluster
79 ILB-Donald Butler
113 OLB-Eric Norwood
145 CB- Perrish Cox, Jerome Murphy, Donovan Warren


OT/OG is one of our biggest concerns going into the draft...thankfully our new OL coach got to take a 2 day look at what we have right now and will use one of the 1st to make an upgrade. I think Trent Williams is going to be top of the list for what will still be available, then Anthony Davis...who was at one point considered #2 OT in draft.

DB... We need some youth in the back field no doubt, but with a potential probowl FS staring at us with our #17 pick we jump at the chance of finally getting a capable duo of safety's that can make the big play and get us some much needed turn-overs. We have the luxury of having Lewis continue with SS, while Dashon study's the position prior to making with switch once Thomas comes in.

RS- A very big need, however there are lots of options for us. CJ Spiller would be a huge help in our offense due to our inability to take a run on the outside for a big gain. We need speed...and with great value in the 3rd we land Dexter McCluster! He will be our nightmare on the outside both as a WR and as our screen option. He also will be our primary RS...it would also be nice to get Leroy Vann as a second option later with our 6th comp or 7th if he's there.

ILB... we took McKillop hoping he could be the next ILB, but didn't work out. He's the new ST ace...so we need to get the successor for Spikes...it would be really cool to get his cousin, but his measurables are lacking...so we go with Butler who has great measurables and can sit for a season while he learns the NFL and playbook.

OLB...we need another pass rusher since we dont have a true #, we need fresh bodies to keep the rush coming. I like that we extended Brooks and even though Manny isn't the strongest rusher, even though he had the most sacks, I hope we extend him too. Briggs is supposedly another option, but we need as much talent here as possible. O'brien Scofield is another interesting guy we can get later, but due to injuries wont play this season.

CB...IF BPA comes close to CB here then we take the best one...we need some youth on the roster for down the road. Thankfully to a deep draft some good options are still available.

Let me know what you think...I'm also working on other directions for the our 1st's which of course changes the rest of the draft too....

Originally posted by irishluder:
13 RT-Trent Williams
17 FS-Earl Thomas
49 RS-Dexter McCluster
79 ILB-Donald Butler
113 OLB-Eric Norwood
145 CB- Perrish Cox, Jerome Murphy, Donovan Warren


OT/OG is one of our biggest concerns going into the draft...thankfully our new OL coach got to take a 2 day look at what we have right now and will use one of the 1st to make an upgrade. I think Trent Williams is going to be top of the list for what will still be available, then Anthony Davis...who was at one point considered #2 OT in draft.

DB... We need some youth in the back field no doubt, but with a potential probowl FS staring at us with our #17 pick we jump at the chance of finally getting a capable duo of safety's that can make the big play and get us some much needed turn-overs. We have the luxury of having Lewis continue with SS, while Dashon study's the position prior to making with switch once Thomas comes in.

RS- A very big need, however there are lots of options for us. CJ Spiller would be a huge help in our offense due to our inability to take a run on the outside for a big gain. We need speed...and with great value in the 3rd we land Dexter McCluster! He will be our nightmare on the outside both as a WR and as our screen option. He also will be our primary RS...it would also be nice to get Leroy Vann as a second option later with our 6th comp or 7th if he's there.

ILB... we took McKillop hoping he could be the next ILB, but didn't work out. He's the new ST ace...so we need to get the successor for Spikes...it would be really cool to get his cousin, but his measurables are lacking...so we go with Butler who has great measurables and can sit for a season while he learns the NFL and playbook.

OLB...we need another pass rusher since we dont have a true #, we need fresh bodies to keep the rush coming. I like that we extended Brooks and even though Manny isn't the strongest rusher, even though he had the most sacks, I hope we extend him too. Briggs is supposedly another option, but we need as much talent here as possible. O'brien Scofield is another interesting guy we can get later, but due to injuries wont play this season.

CB...IF BPA comes close to CB here then we take the best one...we need some youth on the roster for down the road. Thankfully to a deep draft some good options are still available.

Let me know what you think...I'm also working on other directions for the our 1st's which of course changes the rest of the draft too....

Two things...
After one year we already know that Scott isnt going to work out? You might be right and he will prob take over Jeff Ulbrich job, but idk if we can call it as not working out after 1 year with a vet starting infront of him.

Other thing why all the small guys?
17- Earl Thomas- 5' 10" was 202 at the combine, listed at 197 at Texas
49- Dexter McCluster- 5' 9" 170ish
113- Eric Norwood- 6' 245ish

I dont think there is anything bad with small guys but i do think bigger guys have a better chance of being successful.

Just my two cents.

^ Is that you Scot? Get off our board, you don't work for the 49ers anymore!

Originally posted by DynastyPart2:
^ Is that you Scot? Get off our board, you don't work for the 49ers anymore!

LOL, I was thinking the same thing.

Originally posted by irishluder:

Originally posted by DynastyPart2:
^ Is that you Scot? Get off our board, you don't work for the 49ers anymore!

LOL, I was thinking the same thing.

I don't want.

Originally posted by al49erfan:


Two things...
After one year we already know that Scott isnt going to work out? You might be right and he will prob take over Jeff Ulbrich job, but idk if we can call it as not working out after 1 year with a vet starting infront of him.

Other thing why all the small guys?
17- Earl Thomas- 5' 10" was 202 at the combine, listed at 197 at Texas
49- Dexter McCluster- 5' 9" 170ish
113- Eric Norwood- 6' 245ish

I dont think there is anything bad with small guys but i do think bigger guys have a better chance of being successful.

Just my two cents.

My take is coming from comments I've read on this board and local media reports... McKillop doesn't have the ability to start at ILB, but like you said it's only been 1 year... not sure if his instinct's will improve greatly, but time in the film room will definitely help.

Size isn't a concern because they are ballers, minus Norwood who could be a solid contributor. Our team is slow in terms of DB's and WR/RB... Thomas is fluid and has good speed and range for a safety (not keen on the CB transition some talk about) and McCluster has the ability to take it the distance each time he gets the ball... I LOVE gores ability to break tackles and take it that extra 5-10-20 yards...but he cant take it outside and beat the LB's and DB's for a TD. Our Offense is some what predictable, Gore runs up the gut...VD runs between the LB and S for a over the shoulder catch...ect. With a Speedy guy like Dexter, defenses will have to respect the outside run, the screen pass, and a slant to take it for a big gain. We need a speed player to keep defenses honest.

Off the field issues or not, NO WAY Perrish Cox drops that far!

williams doesn't make it to 13 and cox doesn't make it to 145

Originally posted by irishluder:
13 RT-Trent Williams
17 FS-Earl Thomas
49 RS-Dexter McCluster
79 ILB-Donald Butler
113 OLB-Eric Norwood
145 CB- Perrish Cox, Jerome Murphy, Donovan Warren


OT/OG is one of our biggest concerns going into the draft...thankfully our new OL coach got to take a 2 day look at what we have right now and will use one of the 1st to make an upgrade. I think Trent Williams is going to be top of the list for what will still be available, then Anthony Davis...who was at one point considered #2 OT in draft.

DB... We need some youth in the back field no doubt, but with a potential probowl FS staring at us with our #17 pick we jump at the chance of finally getting a capable duo of safety's that can make the big play and get us some much needed turn-overs. We have the luxury of having Lewis continue with SS, while Dashon study's the position prior to making with switch once Thomas comes in.

RS- A very big need, however there are lots of options for us. CJ Spiller would be a huge help in our offense due to our inability to take a run on the outside for a big gain. We need speed...and with great value in the 3rd we land Dexter McCluster! He will be our nightmare on the outside both as a WR and as our screen option. He also will be our primary RS...it would also be nice to get Leroy Vann as a second option later with our 6th comp or 7th if he's there.

ILB... we took McKillop hoping he could be the next ILB, but didn't work out. He's the new ST ace...so we need to get the successor for Spikes...it would be really cool to get his cousin, but his measurables are lacking...so we go with Butler who has great measurables and can sit for a season while he learns the NFL and playbook.

OLB...we need another pass rusher since we dont have a true #, we need fresh bodies to keep the rush coming. I like that we extended Brooks and even though Manny isn't the strongest rusher, even though he had the most sacks, I hope we extend him too. Briggs is supposedly another option, but we need as much talent here as possible. O'brien Scofield is another interesting guy we can get later, but due to injuries wont play this season.

CB...IF BPA comes close to CB here then we take the best one...we need some youth on the roster for down the road. Thankfully to a deep draft some good options are still available.

Let me know what you think...I'm also working on other directions for the our 1st's which of course changes the rest of the draft too....

What position is RS??

Originally posted by bigmike55:
what position is RS??

Return Specialist.

Originally posted by al49erfan:

Originally posted by irishluder:
13 RT-Trent Williams
17 FS-Earl Thomas
49 RS-Dexter McCluster
79 ILB-Donald Butler
113 OLB-Eric Norwood
145 CB- Perrish Cox, Jerome Murphy, Donovan Warren


OT/OG is one of our biggest concerns going into the draft...thankfully our new OL coach got to take a 2 day look at what we have right now and will use one of the 1st to make an upgrade. I think Trent Williams is going to be top of the list for what will still be available, then Anthony Davis...who was at one point considered #2 OT in draft.

DB... We need some youth in the back field no doubt, but with a potential probowl FS staring at us with our #17 pick we jump at the chance of finally getting a capable duo of safety's that can make the big play and get us some much needed turn-overs. We have the luxury of having Lewis continue with SS, while Dashon study's the position prior to making with switch once Thomas comes in.

RS- A very big need, however there are lots of options for us. CJ Spiller would be a huge help in our offense due to our inability to take a run on the outside for a big gain. We need speed...and with great value in the 3rd we land Dexter McCluster! He will be our nightmare on the outside both as a WR and as our screen option. He also will be our primary RS...it would also be nice to get Leroy Vann as a second option later with our 6th comp or 7th if he's there.

ILB... we took McKillop hoping he could be the next ILB, but didn't work out. He's the new ST ace...so we need to get the successor for Spikes...it would be really cool to get his cousin, but his measurables are lacking...so we go with Butler who has great measurables and can sit for a season while he learns the NFL and playbook.

OLB...we need another pass rusher since we dont have a true #, we need fresh bodies to keep the rush coming. I like that we extended Brooks and even though Manny isn't the strongest rusher, even though he had the most sacks, I hope we extend him too. Briggs is supposedly another option, but we need as much talent here as possible. O'brien Scofield is another interesting guy we can get later, but due to injuries wont play this season.

CB...IF BPA comes close to CB here then we take the best one...we need some youth on the roster for down the road. Thankfully to a deep draft some good options are still available.

Let me know what you think...I'm also working on other directions for the our 1st's which of course changes the rest of the draft too....

Two things...
After one year we already know that Scott isnt going to work out? You might be right and he will prob take over Jeff Ulbrich job, but idk if we can call it as not working out after 1 year with a vet starting infront of him.

Other thing why all the small guys?
17- Earl Thomas- 5' 10" was 202 at the combine, listed at 197 at Texas
49- Dexter McCluster- 5' 9" 170ish
113- Eric Norwood- 6' 245ish

I dont think there is anything bad with small guys but i do think bigger guys have a better chance of being successful.

Just my two cents.

First of all Id like to say nice work, and Id like to offer my opinion. I would be happy with your first 3 picks, and love the idea of McCluster being a Scat back and lining up in a pro set offense with either 2 tight ends, crabtree, gore, and McCluster, or Morgan in for Walker and itd give our offense the ability to create some confusion with play action screens, fake screen delayed hand offs and with teams having to account for the flats on both sides with our rbs that will either open things up down the field or give alex safe options underneath. Im falling in love with the idea as I type it. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

At 79, instead of taking a player that potentially wont contribute this year, lets grab one that could. If this draft was going the way you see it going, at 79 I would be looking at CBs, Guards, Pass Rushers, and a NT that can eat up space and add depth to our DL rotation.

Some of the players that could fall into the 3d and 4th due to the overwhelming ammount of juniors and by my count theres about 90 players projected that should go by round 2 and someone will be there. Maybe we take a chance on a Greg Hardy or George Selvie, whom many had rated as top pass rushers had they come out last year. As for the OL and CBs, heres a few that may be there.

*I for one don't think we NEED to draft a Tackle in the first round but we do have to address the offensive line. Were not looking for someone to protect the blind side unless Staley goes down. We need someone to anchor the right side, and flip over to the left in the event of a Staley injury, but I don't believe we should necessarily use one of our first round picks. Especially if Okung, Bulaga, T. Williams, and Davis are gone although I'm not completely sold on Davis or Cambell.

* Guard Mike Iupati, and I would prefer to trade back into the low to mid 20's to select him if I could. I just feel that 17 is a little to high for a guard, especially if there is a player that slides and someone wants to trade up for them. Hes the best guard in the draft and if he could become a Steve Hutchinson calibur player he's worth taking a chance on at 17 and maybe even 13, although that is high for a guard and I believe that there should be better prospects available at 13.

I think there will be some value at RT available with our 49th pick, so theoretically we could take Spiller in round 1 if we had to although Im not saying thats the way we should go but it is exciting thinking about adding another game breaker. The RT's id be happy drafting in the 2nd - 4th round would be.....(No particular order)

*Potential RT Solutions*Height Weight 40 Dash
Rodger Saffold Indiana 6-4⅝ 316 5.20
Vladimir Ducasse Massachusetts 6-4⅜ 332 5.27
Charles Brown Southern Cal 6-5⅜ 303 5.20
Sam Young Notre Dame 6-7½ 314 5.33
Selvish Capers West Virginia 6-4⅝ 308 5.14
Ciron Black LSU 6-4 327 5.42
Lee Ziemba Auburn 6-7¼ 306
Trinton Sturdivant Georgia 6-5⅜ 308


*Potential Guards that could contribute in 2010*
Besides Guard Mike Iupati, here are a couple solutions to our guard that could be had outside of the first round. We can definately land one of these guys in rounds 2-4 and if we need a guard dont forget to consider Ciron Black and some of the other OT's that can be converted to Guards.
*John Jerry, Ole Miss Height: 6-5. Weight: 335.
*Mitch Petrus, Arkansas Height: 6-3. Weight: 307
*Jon Asamoah, Illinois Height: 6-4. Weight: 305

Cornerbacks That could be available round 3-6
Kareem Jackson, Alabama - Height: 5-10. Weight: 196. Combine 40 Time: 4.41.
Chris Cook, CB/FS, Virginia - Height: 6-2. Weight: 212. Combine 40 Time: 4.43
Patrick Robinson, Florida State - Height: 5-11. Weight: 190. 40 Time: 4.38.
Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest - Height: 6-0. Weight: 191. Combine 40 Time: 4.37.
kwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana of Penn. Height: 6-1. Weight: 207. 40 Time: 4.31.

We need to add depth and start grooming someone to take over for Clements. I hope we consider moving Clements to strong safety. Itd be nice having a safety that would be strong enough to match up with a tight end, and fast enough for a back or receiver and add an extra presence to our defensive back field. Keep an eye on kwasi Owusu-Ansah, hes my sleeper for the year.

NTeply49: really good input...I'm with you on the idea of waiting for a RT until the 2nd...I'm high on Rodger Saffold.

If that was the case then, and I'm working on another mock that skips OT in the 1st, I'd love in order:

Berry
CJ Spiller
Joe Haden
Earl Thomas
Brandon Graham
Mike Iupati
Kyle Wilson

the rest depends on the 13th and 17th picks

Love the first two picks, and everything else makes sense. Nice

Originally posted by irishluder:
NTeply49: really good input...I'm with you on the idea of waiting for a RT until the 2nd...I'm high on Rodger Saffold.

If that was the case then, and I'm working on another mock that skips OT in the 1st, I'd love in order:

Berry
CJ Spiller
Joe Haden
Earl Thomas
Brandon Graham
Mike Iupati
Kyle Wilson

the rest depends on the 13th and 17th picks

Keep in mind the Eagles just signed McNabb so I am expecting them to look offensive tackle early to protect McNabb, but is there an OT that fits well in Shannahans zone scheme or has had success in the past with late round talents? Hes got a stable of Rb's at his disposal, and look for the skins to be top 5 in rushing this year.

By my count 7 teams in the top 10 need an OT including the Lions, Redskins, Chiefs, Seahawks, Raiders, and Bills. Clausen will probably make it to the Bills, and maybe even the Browns will look at him with the Holmgreen era beginning in Cleveland. He brought in Walace to be a mentor, and theres a lot of Hype around Tebow. With safeties normally not warranting a top 10 salary, OTs might be the better value for those teams, and Berry could potentially fall to us.

If Haden is available, he has to be the guy at 13 if there isnt a top OT on the board. If Haden, Thomas, and Berry were on the board at 13 tho, I would be torn. Who offers better value, a #1 Corner, or a Safety that learned from one of the best defensive minds in football and ran his defense. Although I believe Berry is the better all around player, I would not be against Haden at 13 and Thomas at 17 with a guy like Saffold, Ducasse, or Veldheer at OT in the 2nd or 3d depending on whos available at pick 49. A change of pace back is needed as I have stated in my post in http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=139739&page=3

In the 2nd I would like a guy like Best, or McCluster in the 3d, or like u have, a Joe McKnight later in the draft. I love the Gilyard pick in the 3d, but would rather find a quality change of pace back and find a receiver later because I am pretty comfortable with Morgan, Crabtree, Davis, and Walker as our base formation, and a guy like McCluster could come in on 3d down in a pro set with Gore, Morgan, Davis, and Crabtree, and motion to the slot, or swing both hbs out into the flats forcing defenses to choose between guarding routes down field, or taking away our short game. I just feel a game breaker like Spiller, Best, or McCluster is crucial to our offense taking the next step. Now that Ive thought this through, if Berry, Thomas, Haden, and Wilson are available Id go Berry 13, Spiller 17, Ducasse, Veldheer, Jerry, or Saffold at 49, and then a cornerback, either Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Brandon Ghee, Patrick Robinson, or Chris Cook in the 3d. From there I dont know what id do, but I hope we grab J'Marcus Webb in the 6th.

Heres the sleeper pick J'Marcus Webb, that could beavailable between the 4th - 6th. http://www.49erswebzone.com/content/news/view.php?id=25470 Hes on a couple teams radar now.

Nice bouncing ideas off you. Keep up the good work