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Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
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Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Great post and information. Although there are some great prospects, I'm still on the Spiller bandwagon. None of them have come close to his production despite Spiller not being am everydown back in college. Like others have said, give me the best at a postion of need as opposed to a lower ranking player of another postion.

I don't think the gap is that wide if we're just talking return ability to warrant the difference in value between a 1st and 5th round pick. RB is not a position of need. A Cb who can return also is much bigger need and in this draft, a far better value. I just don't think you spend a top pick on a guy who wil only see 10-12 snaps a game when you already have a perennial probowler playing his position.

But the probowler is very close to that magical age of 30. I would rather have young kids on the roster learning behind Gore then waiting till he leaves and drafting a kid whose had no experience.

But a CB with ST skills is a must and I hope we draft one as well. I would like to come out of this draft with 2-3 kids who can move the rock on ST.

Gore turns 27 in May, not that close to 30, basically his prime. LT was 27 in his record year. RB is the one position you don't need to sit a year or two, you come in and produce which is why Spiller would be a waste. Wait 2 years, then draft a successor and get max value.
We have too many holes for a luxury pick who isn't an every down player, and likely not even a 3rd down bask because Frank excells there. I just don't see why you want your best player off the field other than to spell him for a rest.
The best route is a CB who can return, a specialist who only has to return, and maybe a speed back/ WR who can return and fill in here and there. Those players can be had in alter rounds and we save our top picks for top flight full time players at positions of need.

Spiller ability to do everything is why I want him. We can line him up in the slot if need be, just to create more mismatches. Spiller is the best RB this year, whose to say in 2-3 years when Gore starts to slide we are in a position to get a great RB? I love Gore but the 2 games he was out showed that MROB cant carry the load and Coffee....well Coffee is still a major ?. Having a real speed threat on O will open up more options to us.

Every analysts describe Spiller as the super-explosive home-run threat with excellent speed and is a threat to take it the distance at any time from anywhere on the field.

How can you not want a kid that has those attributes?

Sure I would want him, I just don't think it's good value with the other holes we have to fill. Felix Jones was the same kind of player and he's shown flashes, but also been hurt a lot. But Dallas had the luxury because they didn't have glaring holes elsewhere. Harvin the exact same deal, missed a lot of time, but went to a team with no holes. We are not that type of team. As far as 2 years from now there are good backs every year in most rounds of the draft, you don't have to spend a first to get a good one.l

Understandable, but how ofter are we going to get a shot at a talent like his? The argument about go get one in the 3rd.....Coffee was just that and we can still add another RB. Bottom line we need to score points and this kids can do it from RB/WR/ST. Every playoff team this past year was using a 2 RB system, maybe its time we jumped on board.

As far as needs OT will be addressed hopefully with the other 1st rounder. OG and CB can be taken in rounds 2-3.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Great post and information. Although there are some great prospects, I'm still on the Spiller bandwagon. None of them have come close to his production despite Spiller not being am everydown back in college. Like others have said, give me the best at a postion of need as opposed to a lower ranking player of another postion.

I don't think the gap is that wide if we're just talking return ability to warrant the difference in value between a 1st and 5th round pick. RB is not a position of need. A Cb who can return also is much bigger need and in this draft, a far better value. I just don't think you spend a top pick on a guy who wil only see 10-12 snaps a game when you already have a perennial probowler playing his position.

But the probowler is very close to that magical age of 30. I would rather have young kids on the roster learning behind Gore then waiting till he leaves and drafting a kid whose had no experience.

But a CB with ST skills is a must and I hope we draft one as well. I would like to come out of this draft with 2-3 kids who can move the rock on ST.

Gore turns 27 in May, not that close to 30, basically his prime. LT was 27 in his record year. RB is the one position you don't need to sit a year or two, you come in and produce which is why Spiller would be a waste. Wait 2 years, then draft a successor and get max value.
We have too many holes for a luxury pick who isn't an every down player, and likely not even a 3rd down bask because Frank excells there. I just don't see why you want your best player off the field other than to spell him for a rest.
The best route is a CB who can return, a specialist who only has to return, and maybe a speed back/ WR who can return and fill in here and there. Those players can be had in alter rounds and we save our top picks for top flight full time players at positions of need.

Spiller ability to do everything is why I want him. We can line him up in the slot if need be, just to create more mismatches. Spiller is the best RB this year, whose to say in 2-3 years when Gore starts to slide we are in a position to get a great RB? I love Gore but the 2 games he was out showed that MROB cant carry the load and Coffee....well Coffee is still a major ?. Having a real speed threat on O will open up more options to us.

Every analysts describe Spiller as the super-explosive home-run threat with excellent speed and is a threat to take it the distance at any time from anywhere on the field.

How can you not want a kid that has those attributes?

Sure I would want him, I just don't think it's good value with the other holes we have to fill. Felix Jones was the same kind of player and he's shown flashes, but also been hurt a lot. But Dallas had the luxury because they didn't have glaring holes elsewhere. Harvin the exact same deal, missed a lot of time, but went to a team with no holes. We are not that type of team. As far as 2 years from now there are good backs every year in most rounds of the draft, you don't have to spend a first to get a good one.l

How is it not good value when he automatically fills a major hole that placed this team dead last in the league while filling another one that needs speed and a home run hitter on offense? I don't get it. You would pass on the best in the draft and 2nd best in NCAAA history who fills multiple needs to pick a player who is not even the best at his postion in the draft?
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Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Great post and information. Although there are some great prospects, I'm still on the Spiller bandwagon. None of them have come close to his production despite Spiller not being am everydown back in college. Like others have said, give me the best at a postion of need as opposed to a lower ranking player of another postion.

I don't think the gap is that wide if we're just talking return ability to warrant the difference in value between a 1st and 5th round pick. RB is not a position of need. A Cb who can return also is much bigger need and in this draft, a far better value. I just don't think you spend a top pick on a guy who wil only see 10-12 snaps a game when you already have a perennial probowler playing his position.

But the probowler is very close to that magical age of 30. I would rather have young kids on the roster learning behind Gore then waiting till he leaves and drafting a kid whose had no experience.

But a CB with ST skills is a must and I hope we draft one as well. I would like to come out of this draft with 2-3 kids who can move the rock on ST.

Gore turns 27 in May, not that close to 30, basically his prime. LT was 27 in his record year. RB is the one position you don't need to sit a year or two, you come in and produce which is why Spiller would be a waste. Wait 2 years, then draft a successor and get max value.
We have too many holes for a luxury pick who isn't an every down player, and likely not even a 3rd down bask because Frank excells there. I just don't see why you want your best player off the field other than to spell him for a rest.
The best route is a CB who can return, a specialist who only has to return, and maybe a speed back/ WR who can return and fill in here and there. Those players can be had in alter rounds and we save our top picks for top flight full time players at positions of need.

Spiller ability to do everything is why I want him. We can line him up in the slot if need be, just to create more mismatches. Spiller is the best RB this year, whose to say in 2-3 years when Gore starts to slide we are in a position to get a great RB? I love Gore but the 2 games he was out showed that MROB cant carry the load and Coffee....well Coffee is still a major ?. Having a real speed threat on O will open up more options to us.

Every analysts describe Spiller as the super-explosive home-run threat with excellent speed and is a threat to take it the distance at any time from anywhere on the field.

How can you not want a kid that has those attributes?

Sure I would want him, I just don't think it's good value with the other holes we have to fill. Felix Jones was the same kind of player and he's shown flashes, but also been hurt a lot. But Dallas had the luxury because they didn't have glaring holes elsewhere. Harvin the exact same deal, missed a lot of time, but went to a team with no holes. We are not that type of team. As far as 2 years from now there are good backs every year in most rounds of the draft, you don't have to spend a first to get a good one.l

How is it not good value when he automatically fills a major hole that placed this team dead last in the league while filling another one that needs speed and a home run hitter on offense? I don't get it. You would pass on the best in the draft and 2nd best in NCAAA history who fills multiple needs to pick a player who is not even the best at his postion in the draft?

Yup, sure would. Bottom line, not a 3 down player for this team and the one hole he really fills can be had all over the draft. I just disagree that he's as great as some other do, not a sure thing.
why the hell did the bears take Hester off KR/PR? WTF were they thinking??
ESPN- The San Francisco 49ers have a need for a return man, and they might use the draft to find one. There are some within the fanbase who are excited at the possibility of C.J. Spiller, but we've seen a few mock drafts where he is already off the board by the time the Niners are slated to have their first pick.

While it would be smart to take a player that can be used in more situations than just on returns, we've seen players like Devin Hester and Josh Cribbs alter the course of games with a big return -- and in Hester's case, his impact as a receiver is much less. Saying that, Kevin Weidl of Scouts, Inc. outlines the top three returner prospects in this year's draft, as well as position players with return capabilities in an update to the Insider draft blog on Friday.

"Banks is the top pure returner in this year's class. He possesses a nice combination of vision, quickness, speed and elusiveness to consistently set offenses up with favorable field position. Currently carries a fifth-round grade."
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Originally posted by PTulini:
ESPN- The San Francisco 49ers have a need for a return man, and they might use the draft to find one. There are some within the fanbase who are excited at the possibility of C.J. Spiller, but we've seen a few mock drafts where he is already off the board by the time the Niners are slated to have their first pick.

While it would be smart to take a player that can be used in more situations than just on returns, we've seen players like Devin Hester and Josh Cribbs alter the course of games with a big return -- and in Hester's case, his impact as a receiver is much less. Saying that, Kevin Weidl of Scouts, Inc. outlines the top three returner prospects in this year's draft, as well as position players with return capabilities in an update to the Insider draft blog on Friday.

"Banks is the top pure returner in this year's class. He possesses a nice combination of vision, quickness, speed and elusiveness to consistently set offenses up with favorable field position. Currently carries a fifth-round grade."

I'm fine with taking a guy who only returns kicks from the 4th on and don't mind reaching a round if need be. It's nice to have a guy who does more, but teams have players just for ST all the time, mainly guners.
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Top Return Men Not Always Top Prospects

By Kevin Weidl, Scouts Inc.

The problem for most college return specialists is that their lack of size and unique skill set make it hard for them to find a way to contribute offensively. Their contributions are often limited, and it takes a creative offensive coordinator to find a role for them on that side of the ball.

With that in mind, here is a look at the top return specialists in the 2010 draft -- players who will be drafted late or signed as free agents strictly for their return ability -- and the top players from other positions who have experience returning kicks and/or punts.

Return specialists

Brandon Banks, Kansas State (5-foot-6¾, 149 pounds) -- Banks is the top pure returner in this years' class. He possesses a nice combination of vision, quickness, speed and elusiveness to consistently set offenses up with favorable field position. Currently carries a fifth-round grade.

Brandon James, Florida (5-6⅜, 176) -- Has great vision to locate seams and the short-area burst to quickly get through first line of defense. He also displays a quick stop-and-start and is reliable tracking and fielding punts. His long speed is questionable when trying to outrun pursuit angles and he rates as a late-round pick or priority free agent.

Trindon Holliday, LSU (5-5¼, 166) -- Has world-class track speed that gives him the ability to exploit even the slimmest of creases. While Holliday is a shifty runner he lacks elite elusiveness to make defenders miss in confined areas and grades out as a late-rounder or free agent.

Running backs

C.J. Spiller, Clemson (5-10⅝, 196) -- The most dynamic and versatile offensive weapon in this years' class. Explosive short-area burst and elite top-end long speed give him ability to rip off big gains at any point in both phases of the return game. Return value is part of his high-first round grade.

Dexter McCluster, Mississippi (5-8¾, 172) -- McCluster is pint sized but shows great versatility and quickness to contribute as a change of pace back and wide receiver at the next level. Elite open field capabilities make him dangerous as a punt returner. Has a late-second round grade.


Other RBs with return experience:
Joe McKnight, USC
Ben Tate, Auburn
Andre Dixon, UConn

Cornerbacks

Javier Arenas, Alabama 5-8⅝, 197) -- Tough, instinctive player who should step in and contribute immediately as a sub-package nickel back. Despite a lack of elite top-end speed Arenas is one of the more effective punt returners in this years' class thanks to his vision, balance and quick stop-and-start. Overall he rates as a third-rounder.

Kyle Wilson, Boise State (5-10, 194) -- A physical press corner who shows great anticipation and ball skills on an island, Wilson brings added value as a reliable punt returner with good speed and open-field capabilities and is a late-first round prospect.

Devin McCourty, Rutgers (5-10¾, 193) -- McCourty changes direction easily, has strong overall ball skills, plays bigger than his listed size and is not afraid to get irty in run support. McCourty is also one of the most versatile special teams prospect in the 2010 class, an effective kick returner who also excels blocking kicks and as a gunner in punt coverage. That versatility is part of his late-first round grade.

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (Pa.) (6-0¼, 207) -- Possesses the nice combination of size, speed and ball skills teams covet in press corners/free safeties. Owusu-Ansah is also a strong open-field runner who has experience as both a kickoff and punt returner. A possible sleeper in the middle rounds.

Other CBs with return experience:
Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State
Syd'Quan Thompson, California
Walter Thurmond, Oregon
Dennis Rogan, Tennessee

Wide receivers

Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State (6-2, 225) -- The premier wideout in 2010 thanks to his rare blend of speed, strength and ball skills. Also has experience returning punts and displays the vision, burst, toughness and strength to rip off a big gain when he finds a crease. A high-first round prospect.

Golden Tate, Notre Dame (5-10¼, 199) -- An aggressive, savvy and sure-handed receiver who should develop into at least a strong No. 3, Tate is also a reliable punt returner with good vision and balance and deceiving top-end speed. Carries an early-second round grade.

Damian Williams, USC (6-0⅝, 197) -- A smooth athlete and one of the most polished route-runners in this year's class. Does not have great top-end speed but Williams fields the ball cleanly and has enough elusiveness to pick up positive yardage. A second-round prospect.

Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati (5-11⅞, 187) -- An instinctive and passionate playmaker who should become a solid No. 3, Gilyard is not a burner but his elite body control and ability to make cuts at full speed make him a difference-maker in both return phases. Ranks as a third-rounder overall.

Jacoby Ford, Clemson (5-8⅞, 186) -- Has elite track speed and should be a nice vertical threat at the next level. His top-end speed gives him the ability to hit the home run at any point as both a kick and punt returner and helps make him a mid-round prospect.

Antonio Brown, Central Michigan (5-101, 186) -- A late-rounder who is more quick than fast, Brown should contribute working out of the slot at the next level and his elusiveness and open-field skills give him added value as a returner.

Other WRs with return experience:
Jordan Shipley, Texas
Emmanuel Sanders, SMU
Andre Roberts, Citadel
David Reed, Utah


[ Edited by PTulini on Mar 26, 2010 at 14:51:07 ]
Originally posted by PTulini:
ESPN- The San Francisco 49ers have a need for a return man, and they might use the draft to find one. There are some within the fanbase who are excited at the possibility of C.J. Spiller, but we've seen a few mock drafts where he is already off the board by the time the Niners are slated to have their first pick.

While it would be smart to take a player that can be used in more situations than just on returns, we've seen players like Devin Hester and Josh Cribbs alter the course of games with a big return -- and in Hester's case, his impact as a receiver is much less. Saying that, Kevin Weidl of Scouts, Inc. outlines the top three returner prospects in this year's draft, as well as position players with return capabilities in an update to the Insider draft blog on Friday.

"Banks is the top pure returner in this year's class. He possesses a nice combination of vision, quickness, speed and elusiveness to consistently set offenses up with favorable field position. Currently carries a fifth-round grade."

The only thing about Banks that scares me is that he weighs less than I do, and I'm a pretty tiny guy. He also does really well as a receiver and could possibly play a few snaps in the slot.

Personally, i'd like to get one guy to return kicks, and one guy to return punts. Maybe Shipley for punts since he can play the slot pretty well, and then a corner who can start at the nickel for us and field kicks.
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Great post and information. Although there are some great prospects, I'm still on the Spiller bandwagon. None of them have come close to his production despite Spiller not being am everydown back in college. Like others have said, give me the best at a postion of need as opposed to a lower ranking player of another postion.

I don't think the gap is that wide if we're just talking return ability to warrant the difference in value between a 1st and 5th round pick. RB is not a position of need. A Cb who can return also is much bigger need and in this draft, a far better value. I just don't think you spend a top pick on a guy who wil only see 10-12 snaps a game when you already have a perennial probowler playing his position.

But the probowler is very close to that magical age of 30. I would rather have young kids on the roster learning behind Gore then waiting till he leaves and drafting a kid whose had no experience.

But a CB with ST skills is a must and I hope we draft one as well. I would like to come out of this draft with 2-3 kids who can move the rock on ST.

Gore turns 27 in May, not that close to 30, basically his prime. LT was 27 in his record year. RB is the one position you don't need to sit a year or two, you come in and produce which is why Spiller would be a waste. Wait 2 years, then draft a successor and get max value.
We have too many holes for a luxury pick who isn't an every down player, and likely not even a 3rd down bask because Frank excells there. I just don't see why you want your best player off the field other than to spell him for a rest.
The best route is a CB who can return, a specialist who only has to return, and maybe a speed back/ WR who can return and fill in here and there. Those players can be had in alter rounds and we save our top picks for top flight full time players at positions of need.

Spiller ability to do everything is why I want him. We can line him up in the slot if need be, just to create more mismatches. Spiller is the best RB this year, whose to say in 2-3 years when Gore starts to slide we are in a position to get a great RB? I love Gore but the 2 games he was out showed that MROB cant carry the load and Coffee....well Coffee is still a major ?. Having a real speed threat on O will open up more options to us.

Every analysts describe Spiller as the super-explosive home-run threat with excellent speed and is a threat to take it the distance at any time from anywhere on the field.

How can you not want a kid that has those attributes?

Sure I would want him, I just don't think it's good value with the other holes we have to fill. Felix Jones was the same kind of player and he's shown flashes, but also been hurt a lot. But Dallas had the luxury because they didn't have glaring holes elsewhere. Harvin the exact same deal, missed a lot of time, but went to a team with no holes. We are not that type of team. As far as 2 years from now there are good backs every year in most rounds of the draft, you don't have to spend a first to get a good one.l

How is it not good value when he automatically fills a major hole that placed this team dead last in the league while filling another one that needs speed and a home run hitter on offense? I don't get it. You would pass on the best in the draft and 2nd best in NCAAA history who fills multiple needs to pick a player who is not even the best at his postion in the draft?

Yup, sure would. Bottom line, not a 3 down player for this team and the one hole he really fills can be had all over the draft. I just disagree that he's as great as some other do, not a sure thing.

No one the draft is a sure thing and drafting a player just so he can play three downs does not make it so; particularily in a league which rarely featrues one RB. Although i do agree that there are players who can fill that kr/pr duties in the draft, this team also needs and WILL draft a change of pace back who is a playmaker and can score from any place on the field. So you would rather spend two draft choices to fill those needs as opposed to getting the best one? Hmmmmm.
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C.J.Spiller-Unanimous 1st team ALL AMERICAN kick returner.

[ Edited by cupcheck on Mar 27, 2010 at 13:23:49 ]
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Originally posted by ttime1:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by TX9R:
Originally posted by ttime1:
Great post and information. Although there are some great prospects, I'm still on the Spiller bandwagon. None of them have come close to his production despite Spiller not being am everydown back in college. Like others have said, give me the best at a postion of need as opposed to a lower ranking player of another postion.

I don't think the gap is that wide if we're just talking return ability to warrant the difference in value between a 1st and 5th round pick. RB is not a position of need. A Cb who can return also is much bigger need and in this draft, a far better value. I just don't think you spend a top pick on a guy who wil only see 10-12 snaps a game when you already have a perennial probowler playing his position.

But the probowler is very close to that magical age of 30. I would rather have young kids on the roster learning behind Gore then waiting till he leaves and drafting a kid whose had no experience.

But a CB with ST skills is a must and I hope we draft one as well. I would like to come out of this draft with 2-3 kids who can move the rock on ST.

Gore turns 27 in May, not that close to 30, basically his prime. LT was 27 in his record year. RB is the one position you don't need to sit a year or two, you come in and produce which is why Spiller would be a waste. Wait 2 years, then draft a successor and get max value.
We have too many holes for a luxury pick who isn't an every down player, and likely not even a 3rd down bask because Frank excells there. I just don't see why you want your best player off the field other than to spell him for a rest.
The best route is a CB who can return, a specialist who only has to return, and maybe a speed back/ WR who can return and fill in here and there. Those players can be had in alter rounds and we save our top picks for top flight full time players at positions of need.

Spiller ability to do everything is why I want him. We can line him up in the slot if need be, just to create more mismatches. Spiller is the best RB this year, whose to say in 2-3 years when Gore starts to slide we are in a position to get a great RB? I love Gore but the 2 games he was out showed that MROB cant carry the load and Coffee....well Coffee is still a major ?. Having a real speed threat on O will open up more options to us.

Every analysts describe Spiller as the super-explosive home-run threat with excellent speed and is a threat to take it the distance at any time from anywhere on the field.

How can you not want a kid that has those attributes?

Sure I would want him, I just don't think it's good value with the other holes we have to fill. Felix Jones was the same kind of player and he's shown flashes, but also been hurt a lot. But Dallas had the luxury because they didn't have glaring holes elsewhere. Harvin the exact same deal, missed a lot of time, but went to a team with no holes. We are not that type of team. As far as 2 years from now there are good backs every year in most rounds of the draft, you don't have to spend a first to get a good one.l

How is it not good value when he automatically fills a major hole that placed this team dead last in the league while filling another one that needs speed and a home run hitter on offense? I don't get it. You would pass on the best in the draft and 2nd best in NCAAA history who fills multiple needs to pick a player who is not even the best at his postion in the draft?

The best in draft and second best in NCAA history will be lucky to see more then 12- 15 snaps a game that is a waste of a top 15 pick that we should use on our opine which we are currently almost last in the league in also all the top 2 back system teams fixed their o line before they got their second back name 1 team with a two back system that has been successfull that has a worst o line than us?
Outstanding original post, TX9R. Excellent research and presentation. Gets my award as Post-Of-The-Year. I've been trying to gather this info in piecemeal fashion. You put it all in one place. Thank you.

Some thoughts prompted by your original post.

For the Niners, it's all about finding a PUNT returner. And, as Coach Harbaugh points out, the skill set is different from a KR. If the guy can also be a KR, then great. If not, there are other KR candidates on the roster.

If you were to ask Singletary for a prioritized list of the qualities that he wants in a PUNT returner, I think that they would be: (1) BALL SECURITY (aka "hands", ability to absorb a big hit and not fumble), (2) GOOD JUDGEMENT (when to FC, when to return, ability to get to a punt before it hits the ground), (3) DURABILITY (there will be q big drop-off, if this guy gets hurt and misses time), (4) ELUSIVENESS (quickness in a small space, ability to make the first guy miss, abaility to change direction, stop/start, change speeds quickly), (5) SPEED (as in take-it-to-the-house ability), and lastly (6) VERSATILITY (ability to play another position to optimize the roster spot). Versatility is last on my list, because I believe that the club can afford to/needs to have a reliable specialist for this very important job.

I had been focussing on a CB who could return punts (Arenas), but your reserach points out that most great PUNT returners are offensive players (better hands?), under 6' tall (quicker) and former QB (losts of ball handling skills). Using that formula, it looks to me that Dexter McCluster must be on the short list of guys (maybe the only guy), who fit all of those elements. Due to his role in Mississippi's offense, McCluster has demonstrated much more durability and versatility than any pure college return man.

Holliday's scouting report, stating poor change of direction in a small space, knocks him out of the running, IMHO.
Look I think most Know that Spiller is a great KR PR. However at pick 13 you want someone that is going to be a starter. they need an OT badly. So if spiller is going to back up gore I would not want him at 13. if he is a 3 down player and plays the slot plus back up Gore then he is great at 13 but the team will not want him to return kick because if he get hurt KR then they loss him on Offence. If there looking for a Returner then I think they should look later in the draft i like Antonio Brown. he can fill in at the slot plus KR PR