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Originally posted by cupcheck:


Both McGM and coach Sing have said the OT has to be able to play LT and RT for them to be interested.May's is a FS ,not SS. If you would prefer different players ,fine.I think these are positions of need with out reaching to much. more to the point to taking impact players this yr. rather than 6-7 developmental, depth,projects.Get it!

That's terrific...Charles Brown is NOT a RT...so he can't play LT AND RT can he? Yet you want us to trade away a first rounder next year + a 3rd rounder this year for him?

And Mays is not a FS he has terrible coverage ability.

Keep digging.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by cupcheck:


Both McGM and coach Sing have said the OT has to be able to play LT and RT for them to be interested.May's is a FS ,not SS. If you would prefer different players ,fine.I think these are positions of need with out reaching to much. more to the point to taking impact players this yr. rather than 6-7 developmental, depth,projects.Get it!

That's terrific...Charles Brown is NOT a RT...so he can't play LT AND RT can he? Yet you want us to trade away a first rounder next year + a 3rd rounder this year for him?

And Mays is not a FS he has terrible coverage ability.

Keep digging.

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SafetyPosted by Matt Miller On June - 12 - 2009


2010 Free Safety/Strong Safety Rankings
Updated March 11, 2010

Free Safety

OVR Pos. Rank Player Pos. School Ht. Wt. Proj. Rd. Stock 40 Time
2 1 Eric Berry FS Tennessee 6-0 211 1 same 4.47
22 2 Taylor Mays FS Southern California 6-3 230 1 same 4.32
55 3 Nate Allen FS South Florida 6-1 207 2 same 4.5


OVR Pos. Rank Player Pos. School Ht. Wt. Proj. Rd. Stock 40 Time
52 1 Chad Jones SS LSU 6-2 221 2 same 4.57
76 2 Reshad Jones SS Georgia 6-1 214 3 same 4.6
93 3 T.J. Ward SS Oregon 5-11 211 3 same 4.58

OVR Pos. Rank Player Pos. School Ht. Wt. Proj. Rd. Stock 40 Time
52 1 Chad Jones SS LSU 6-2 221 2 same 4.57
76 2 Reshad Jones SS Georgia 6-1 214 3 same 4.6
93 3 T.J. Ward SS Oregon 5-11 211 3 same 4.58
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01 Chad Jones SS, LSU
NFP Grade: 6.9

Scouting Report:
Chad Jones: LSU, No. 3, SS, 6-3, 220

Jones is a unique athlete who was a star on the LSU football team this year and doubled as a pitcher on the baseball team. He's a big, physically built kid who showcases natural body control when asked to break down in space and is a solid wrap-up tackler. He looks natural when asked to attack the line of scrimmage as a downhill runner and does a nice job sidestepping blocks and keeping himself clean through traffic. He showcases a good initial first step and generates power on contact. He takes good angles toward the ball and consistently is able to disengage the ball from his man in the pass game.

Jones is surprisingly fluid for his size and does a nice job cleanly getting out of his breaks and getting after the ball. He's a ball hawk in the secondary who possesses above-average instincts and knows how to make plays. However, he will get caught freelancing at times and will take himself out of plays in the pass game. He showcases impressive straight-line speed and can close once he gets going. Overall, he possesses an impressive combination of size, power and fluidity for a guy his size and has the ability to get even better when he's given the chance to focus on the ball only.

Grade: 6.9



05 Taylor Mays FS, Southern California
NFP Grade: 6.3

Scouting Report:
Taylor Mays: No. 2, FS, 6-3, 230

Mays has a massive upper body for the position with a leaner lower half. He displays good awareness when the ball is in the air and showcases the coordination to go up and knock the pass away at its highest point. He exhibits better footwork than he's given credit for, but it's the body control he displays for a man his size that makes him so effective. He possesses impressive closing speed in pursuit, generating big time power on contact as a tackler. Mays displays a good first step and looks like an absolute missile when closing on the ball. He showcases a willingness to go for the knockout hit on defenseless receivers but isn't nearly as powerful or effective when asked to attack downhill as a run blocker.

He has a tendency to overrun ball carriers and struggles to break down at full speed. He doesn't showcase the type of stack-and-shed ability you would expect from a man his size. He gets too high and leggy when asked to change directions, and it takes him a couple of steps to get back up to speed when asked to redirect. Mays lacks ideal instincts in the pass game, struggles to anticipate throws and always seems a step or two too slow when reacting to the play. He has the range to make up for it at the college level, but it will be a definite concern in the NFL. Overall, he has a rare physical skill set with good ball skills and closing speed, but his lack of instincts could keep him from ever reaching his potential in the NFL.

Grade: 6.3



04 Bruce Campbell OT, Maryland
NFP Grade: 6.9

Scouting Report:
Bruce Campbell: No. 74, OT, 6-7, 310

Campbell is a natural bender who sits into his stance well and has the ability to anchor vs. the bull-rush. He keeps his base down through his initial kick-step and does a nice job of dropping his pad level on contact. He's patient in pass protection, trusts his athleticism and can mirror defenders through contact once he gets his hands on them. But he needs to tighten up his kick-step off the edge, has a tendency to get too overextended in his lower half and will struggle to cleanly redirect vs. the up-and-under move. He isn't a pure Velcro player and showcases the ability to stick to blocks when defensive linemen try to get into his body but will get too narrow in his base and fall off blocks off the edge. Campbell is doing a much better job in the run game extending his long arms, getting his hands inside on contact and locking out at the point.

He does a nice job anchoring into his stance and sealing his man from the ball. He possesses good body control as a cut blocker off the line and does a nice job of quickly dropping his pad level and getting into the legs of defenders. He displays a vast improvement in the run game from a year ago and does a much better job getting his hands inside at the point, keeping his base down and handling defensive ends as an in-line guy. He possesses an impressive combination of power and balance on contact and can create a push and stay on blocks. He has the athleticism to turn opposing linemen away from the play but struggles to consistently generate movement as an in-line guy. Overall, Campbell displays an impressive set of physical tools and possesses more upside than any other tackle in the draft.

Grade: 6.9

Keep pretending,Genus.
[ Edited by cupcheck on Mar 13, 2010 at 12:33 PM ]
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
I'm going to be pissed if we choose Haden.

i agree with you. it is all bust in 1st round for CB of the most time. Haden looked so suck and bust for sure!
Originally posted by BuZzB28:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
I'm going to be pissed if we choose Haden.

i agree with you. it is all bust in 1st round for CB of the most time. Haden looked so suck and bust for sure!

Just a few names :
2008 :
L. McKelvin
D.Rodgers-Cronmartie
M.Jenkins

2007:
D.Revis
L.Hall

2006:
A.Cronmartie
J.Joseph
K.Jennins
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by cupcheck:


Both McGM and coach Sing have said the OT has to be able to play LT and RT for them to be interested.May's is a FS ,not SS. If you would prefer different players ,fine.I think these are positions of need with out reaching to much. more to the point to taking impact players this yr. rather than 6-7 developmental, depth,projects.Get it!

That's terrific...Charles Brown is NOT a RT...so he can't play LT AND RT can he? Yet you want us to trade away a first rounder next year + a 3rd rounder this year for him?

And Mays is not a FS he has terrible coverage ability.

Keep digging.

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SafetyPosted by Matt Miller On June - 12 - 2009


2010 Free Safety/Strong Safety Rankings
Updated March 11, 2010

Free Safety

OVR Pos. Rank Player Pos. School Ht. Wt. Proj. Rd. Stock 40 Time
2 1 Eric Berry FS Tennessee 6-0 211 1 same 4.47
22 2 Taylor Mays FS Southern California 6-3 230 1 same 4.32
55 3 Nate Allen FS South Florida 6-1 207 2 same 4.5


OVR Pos. Rank Player Pos. School Ht. Wt. Proj. Rd. Stock 40 Time
52 1 Chad Jones SS LSU 6-2 221 2 same 4.57
76 2 Reshad Jones SS Georgia 6-1 214 3 same 4.6
93 3 T.J. Ward SS Oregon 5-11 211 3 same 4.58

OVR Pos. Rank Player Pos. School Ht. Wt. Proj. Rd. Stock 40 Time
52 1 Chad Jones SS LSU 6-2 221 2 same 4.57
76 2 Reshad Jones SS Georgia 6-1 214 3 same 4.6
93 3 T.J. Ward SS Oregon 5-11 211 3 same 4.58
Home Scout Speak Live Chat Featured Article Prospect Rankings Scouting Interactive Grading Scale Ask Wes QB RB FB WR TE C OT OG OLB ILB DT DE SS FS CB Scouting Reports Rankings Rank Player, Pos, College

01 Chad Jones SS, LSU
NFP Grade: 6.9

Scouting Report:
Chad Jones: LSU, No. 3, SS, 6-3, 220

Jones is a unique athlete who was a star on the LSU football team this year and doubled as a pitcher on the baseball team. He's a big, physically built kid who showcases natural body control when asked to break down in space and is a solid wrap-up tackler. He looks natural when asked to attack the line of scrimmage as a downhill runner and does a nice job sidestepping blocks and keeping himself clean through traffic. He showcases a good initial first step and generates power on contact. He takes good angles toward the ball and consistently is able to disengage the ball from his man in the pass game.

Jones is surprisingly fluid for his size and does a nice job cleanly getting out of his breaks and getting after the ball. He's a ball hawk in the secondary who possesses above-average instincts and knows how to make plays. However, he will get caught freelancing at times and will take himself out of plays in the pass game. He showcases impressive straight-line speed and can close once he gets going. Overall, he possesses an impressive combination of size, power and fluidity for a guy his size and has the ability to get even better when he's given the chance to focus on the ball only.

Grade: 6.9



05 Taylor Mays FS, Southern California
NFP Grade: 6.3

Scouting Report:
Taylor Mays: No. 2, FS, 6-3, 230

Mays has a massive upper body for the position with a leaner lower half. He displays good awareness when the ball is in the air and showcases the coordination to go up and knock the pass away at its highest point. He exhibits better footwork than he's given credit for, but it's the body control he displays for a man his size that makes him so effective. He possesses impressive closing speed in pursuit, generating big time power on contact as a tackler. Mays displays a good first step and looks like an absolute missile when closing on the ball. He showcases a willingness to go for the knockout hit on defenseless receivers but isn't nearly as powerful or effective when asked to attack downhill as a run blocker.

He has a tendency to overrun ball carriers and struggles to break down at full speed. He doesn't showcase the type of stack-and-shed ability you would expect from a man his size. He gets too high and leggy when asked to change directions, and it takes him a couple of steps to get back up to speed when asked to redirect. Mays lacks ideal instincts in the pass game, struggles to anticipate throws and always seems a step or two too slow when reacting to the play. He has the range to make up for it at the college level, but it will be a definite concern in the NFL. Overall, he has a rare physical skill set with good ball skills and closing speed, but his lack of instincts could keep him from ever reaching his potential in the NFL.

Grade: 6.3



04 Bruce Campbell OT, Maryland
NFP Grade: 6.9

Scouting Report:
Bruce Campbell: No. 74, OT, 6-7, 310

Campbell is a natural bender who sits into his stance well and has the ability to anchor vs. the bull-rush. He keeps his base down through his initial kick-step and does a nice job of dropping his pad level on contact. He's patient in pass protection, trusts his athleticism and can mirror defenders through contact once he gets his hands on them. But he needs to tighten up his kick-step off the edge, has a tendency to get too overextended in his lower half and will struggle to cleanly redirect vs. the up-and-under move. He isn't a pure Velcro player and showcases the ability to stick to blocks when defensive linemen try to get into his body but will get too narrow in his base and fall off blocks off the edge. Campbell is doing a much better job in the run game extending his long arms, getting his hands inside on contact and locking out at the point.

He does a nice job anchoring into his stance and sealing his man from the ball. He possesses good body control as a cut blocker off the line and does a nice job of quickly dropping his pad level and getting into the legs of defenders. He displays a vast improvement in the run game from a year ago and does a much better job getting his hands inside at the point, keeping his base down and handling defensive ends as an in-line guy. He possesses an impressive combination of power and balance on contact and can create a push and stay on blocks. He has the athleticism to turn opposing linemen away from the play but struggles to consistently generate movement as an in-line guy. Overall, Campbell displays an impressive set of physical tools and possesses more upside than any other tackle in the draft.

Grade: 6.9

Keep pretending,Genus.

First of all I actually watched each of the guys you mentioned and can have my own opinions on them.

Second wtf did you just post for me? I can pull up several other draft sites that prove my point which is Mays is not suited to play FS. Hell if you actually read the comments about him you'd see they question his ability to play the pass in the NFL - something a FS has to do more of.

Third...why did you post Campbell's review when you're talking about Charles Brown?
Originally posted by BuZzB28:
Originally posted by blunt_probe:
I'm going to be pissed if we choose Haden.

i agree with you. it is all bust in 1st round for CB of the most time. Haden looked so suck and bust for sure!

You guys are nuts. I hope the NFL GMs picking ahead of us think the same way. 40 yard times in shorts =/ game speed.

Haden has been incredibly consistent and we'd be lucky to get him. He can be right up there with a guy like Leon Hall who is a very good corner for Cinci but not someone who's very flashy.

Oh and I'm sorry but that's a very silly statement "it is all bust in 1st round for CB of the most time"...i assume you're implying just because there haven't been too many great corners in the first in some time that trend will continue?

As the guy a few posts ahead of mine pointed out there have been some very good corners especially Revis and Hall.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
HOW ABOUT THIS DRAFT ?
#13 -CJ Spiller, #1 rated RB
#17 -Kyle Wilson, #2 rated CB
#22 -Charles Brown, #6rated OT ( Trade NE our 2011 1st and 2010 3rd)
#35 - Chad Jones, #1 rated SS. (Trade a package of 2010 9er's 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, to Tampa Bay and move up to their 2010 #35.)
All the good jr"s. came out this year, plus there may not be football in 2011. Everyone wants immediate impact from this years draft.
This should do it !!!!!!!! [/b]

Holy crap that has got to be the most short sighted and worst draft I've seen in a long time.

Charles Brown is not a RT and there is no way in hell anyone should trade a first rounder + for him. He can likely be had in the top of round 2 and he's not for us.

Also Jones isn't the #1 rated SS. Bust or not that's still Mays.

You're so caught up in the ratings(which mean jack and sh*t) that you're going to forget the rest of the draft to get players who don't even fit what the team needs. My god...

The reason i posted the info. was just to show the proof of my post that, C.Jones is a #1 rated SS, that Mays is not only LISTED as a FS but he's considered 3ed on this list. Sorry about the screwup on the Charles Brown post, if you want proof of your error in judgement concerning him, juat let me know.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
HOW ABOUT THIS DRAFT ?
#13 -CJ Spiller, #1 rated RB
#17 -Kyle Wilson, #2 rated CB
#22 -Charles Brown, #6rated OT ( Trade NE our 2011 1st and 2010 3rd)
#35 - Chad Jones, #1 rated SS. (Trade a package of 2010 9er's 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, to Tampa Bay and move up to their 2010 #35.)
All the good jr"s. came out this year, plus there may not be football in 2011. Everyone wants immediate impact from this years draft.
This should do it !!!!!!!! [/b]

Holy crap that has got to be the most short sighted and worst draft I've seen in a long time.

Charles Brown is not a RT and there is no way in hell anyone should trade a first rounder + for him. He can likely be had in the top of round 2 and he's not for us.

Also Jones isn't the #1 rated SS. Bust or not that's still Mays.

You're so caught up in the ratings(which mean jack and sh*t) that you're going to forget the rest of the draft to get players who don't even fit what the team needs. My god...

The reason i posted the info. was just to show the proof of my post that, C.Jones is a #1 rated SS, that Mays is not only LISTED as a FS but he's considered 3ed on this list. Sorry about the screw up on the Charles Brown post, if you want proof of your error in judgement concerning him, just let me know.
Originally posted by cupcheck:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by cupcheck:
HOW ABOUT THIS DRAFT ?
#13 -CJ Spiller, #1 rated RB
#17 -Kyle Wilson, #2 rated CB
#22 -Charles Brown, #6rated OT ( Trade NE our 2011 1st and 2010 3rd)
#35 - Chad Jones, #1 rated SS. (Trade a package of 2010 9er's 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, to Tampa Bay and move up to their 2010 #35.)
All the good jr"s. came out this year, plus there may not be football in 2011. Everyone wants immediate impact from this years draft.
This should do it !!!!!!!! [/b]

Holy crap that has got to be the most short sighted and worst draft I've seen in a long time.

Charles Brown is not a RT and there is no way in hell anyone should trade a first rounder + for him. He can likely be had in the top of round 2 and he's not for us.

Also Jones isn't the #1 rated SS. Bust or not that's still Mays.

You're so caught up in the ratings(which mean jack and sh*t) that you're going to forget the rest of the draft to get players who don't even fit what the team needs. My god...

The reason i posted the info. was just to show the proof of my post that, C.Jones is a #1 rated SS, that Mays is not only LISTED as a FS but he's considered 3ed on this list. Sorry about the screw up on the Charles Brown post, if you want proof of your error in judgement concerning him, just let me know.

Do you actually read what it says about them or do you just see where they are rated on the list?

As far as ratings I could give 2 sh*ts about them.

Mel Kiper had Mike Williams as his #1 player in 2005. Alex Smith was the #1 QB. Braylon Edwards was #1 WR....etc

Wouldn't be the first time guys who some draftnik had rated top at his position didn't do a damn thing.

Not saying these guys will follow suit but neither of those guys are worth what you are giving up for them.
Too many questions with your draft.

Haden - Is he fast enough to make it at the next level?
Iupati - Was it the level of competition he played against? Can he play tackle?
Best - Don't think he makes it this far anyway.........still questions about his injury history
Veldheer - Decent risk in the third, but OT should be taken in the 1st or 2nd round
Asante - A little too early in this deep safety class