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Kickoff and Punt Returners in Draft

I think we're all agreed that the Niners critically need kickoff and punt returners,through the draft or through FA. I've seen a fair number of draft forum posts refer to certain players as returner specialists in general. I thought this may be misleading to some extent, as not all returners mentioned do a significant number of both kickoff and punt returns.

To clarify this issue for myself, today I unexpectedly had some free time and cobbled together a list of 27 players in the 2010 draft for whom I could find return stats in 2008 and/or 2009. The list shows for each player the number of kickoff and punt returns in each year, yardage, TDs, longest return, and the number of punt fair catches.

There were some surprising results to me, for both posted prominent returner possibilities and some other draft candidates better known for other skills. For example, Syd'Quan Thompson from Cal in the 2008 and 2009 seasons had 1 more punt return than C.J. Spiller, with the same number of PR TDs and only 10 less total PR yards.

I've divided the list into 3 categories: 16 kickoff and punt returners (>5 of both in either 2008 or 2009); 2 kick return specialists (>5 KR in at least one of the years,under 5 PR in at least one of the years) and 9 punt return specialists (>5 PR in at least one of the years, under 5 KR).

I'd be happy to try to post the list in this topic if anyone posts an interest in seeing it.
[ Edited by ColdFan on Mar 9, 2010 at 10:27 PM ]
I would like to see your list, and your summary from your study and observations.
i would also like to see you post those stats
Originally posted by ColdFan:
I think we're all agreed that the Niners critically need kickoff and punt returners,through the draft or through FA. I've seen a fair number of draft forum posts refer to certain players as returner specialists in general. I thought this may be misleading to some extent, as not all returners mentioned do a significant number of both kickoff and punt returns.

To clarify this issue for myself, today I unexpectedly had some free time and cobbled together a list of 27 players in the 2010 draft for whom I could find return stats in 2008 and/or 2009. The list shows for each player the number of kickoff and punt returns in each year, yardage, TDs, longest return, and the number of punt fair catches.

There were some surprising results to me, for both posted prominent returner possibilities and some other draft candidates better known for other skills. For example, Syd'Quan Thompson from Cal in the 2008 and 2009 seasons had 1 more punt return than C.J. Spiller, with the same number of PR TDs and only 10 less total PR yards.

I've divided the list into 3 categories: 16 kickoff and punt returners (>5 of both in either 2008 or 2009); 2 kick return specialists (>5 KR in at least one of the years,under 5 PR in at least one of the years) and 9 punt return specialists (>5 PR in at least one of the years, under 5 KR).

I'd be happy to try to post the list in this topic if anyone posts an interest in seeing it.

I'd like to see that. Not sure where you get your stats, but a good reference is CFBStats.com ... just an FYI
Thanks for the positive responses guys. Will try to post and play with the font and format to minimize length (Noobie stats poster alert).

For brevity and timeliness I'll respond to Ninefan56's request for summary and observations before tackling the list.

Observations:
1. Listed players were not necessarily the primary returners for their schools during the seasons.
2. Should be leery comparing data on avg yds per punt return as ESPN and Fox don't appear to subtract for fair catches. I just checked CFBStats.com (thanks to RollinWith21n52) and noted that their punt return data is based on non-FC returns so the averages there are right. Had me worried at first due to the discrepancy in total catches with my list until I caught on to what they were doing.
3. Decrease in stats from the 1st to 2nd season (assumedly because kicking away from a good returner) didn't seem to be taking place as much as I thought it would (or as much as returners complain it does). Too many other factors involved to make any general observation.

Summary:

Most return TDs over the two seasons (2008 and 2009):
6 - CJ Spiller(08+09).
5 - Jordan Shipley(08+09); Akwasi Owusu-Ansah(09).
4 - Javier Arenas(08+09:all PRs); Brandon Banks(09:all KRs); Antonio Brown(08+09).
3 - Mardy Gilyard(all 09); Brandon James(08+09); Dez Bryant(08+09:all PRs); Kyle Wilson(08+09:all PRs in 08).
2 - Trindon Holliday (08+09:all PRs); Damian Williams(09:all PRs).

Most returns in 2009 season :

Kickoffs (Top 10)
Gilyard: 42 for 1281 yds.
Banks: 39 for 1127 yds.
Brown: 35 for 773 yds.
Cox, Perrish: 31 for 649 yds.
James: 29 for 756 yds.
Spiller: 23 for 755 yds.
Holliday: 22 for 537 yds.
Arenas: 19 for 551 yds.
Owusu-Ansah: 16 for 475 yds.
McCourty, Devin: 14 for 356 yds.


Punts (Top 17)
Shipley: 58 for 311 yds, 34 FCs (fair catches).
Arenas: 53 for 493 yds, 20 FCs.
Wilson: 47 for 250 yds, 23 FCs.
James: 44 for 244 yds, 11 FCs.
Williams, Damian: 44 for 340 yds, 20 FCs.
Williams, Kyle: 43 for 229 yds, 20 FCs.
Johnson, Stefon: 42 for 305 yds, 9 FCs.
Sanders, Emmanuel: 40 for 275 yds, 20 FCs.
Gilyard: 36 for 202 yds, 20 FCs.
Tate, Golden: 32 for 171 yds, 20 FCs.
Brown: 28 for 270 yds, 7 FCs.
Holliday: 26 for 362 yds, 6 FCs.
Cox, Perrish: 25 for 198 yds, 6 FCs.
Banks: 25 for 155 yds, 8 FCs.
Owusu-Ansah: 22 for 275 yds, no data on FCs.
Benn, Arrelious: 22 for 114 yds, 7 FCs.
Franks, Dominique: 20 for 187 yds, 9 FCs.

Hope this helps. Part 2 (the real stats) will hopefully follow shortly.
Good work. Thanks
Here it comes hopefully - I'll do it in 3 posts, one for each category, to try to ensure my cut and paste works.

Notes for all three posts:

1. Looked for recognized names in 2010 Draft.
2. No promises on all names and data caught. Tried for accuracy but errors may exist.
3. Data from FCS (Roberts, Owusu-Ansah) didn't include all the FBS data (fair catches, etc.).
4. Where only 2009 data, looked for but found no numbers for the player for 2008.
5. Players listed alphabetically in each category.

List of Some NCAA Kickoff and Punt Returners in 2010 NFL Draft

Part 1: Kickoff and Punt Returners (>5 of both in either 2008 or 2009)

Arenas, Javier CB - Alabama
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 19 for 551 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 61 yds;
2008 - 26 for 610 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 41 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 53 for 493 yds; 1 TD; Longest 66 yds; 20 Fair Catches;
2008 - 55 for 650 yds; 3 TDs; Longest 87 yds; 14 Fair Catches.

Banks, Brandon WR - Kansas State
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 39 for 1127 yds; 4 TDs; Longest 98 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 25 for 155 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 26 yds; 8 Fair Catches.

Benn, Arrelious WR - Illinois
Kickoff Returns
2008 - 20 for 398 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 63 yds.
Punt Returns
2008 - 22 for 114 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 31 yds; 7 Fair Catches.

Brown, Antonio WR - Central Michigan
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 35 for 773 yds; 1 TD; Longest 95 yds;
2008 - 38 for 791 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 43 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 28 for 270 yds; 2 TDs; Longest 75 yds; 7 Fair Catches;
2008 - 31 for 410 yds; 1 TD; Longest 75 yds; 11 Fair Catches.

Cox, Perrish CB- Oklahoma State
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 31 for 649 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 74 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 25 for 198 yds; 1 TD; Longest 67 yds; 6 Fair Catches.

Ford, Jacoby WR - Clemson
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 9 for 174 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 39 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 18 for 143 yds; 1 TD; Longest 61 yds; 8 Fair Catches.

Franks, Dominique CB - Oklahoma
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 7 for 135 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 28 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 20 for 187 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 51 yds; 9 Fair Catches.

Gilyard, Mardy WR - Cincinatti
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 42 for 1281 yds; 2 TDs; Longest 99 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 36 for 202 yds; 1 TD; Longest 53 yds; 20 Fair Catches.

Holliday, Trindon RB - LSU
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 22 for 537 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 49 yds;
2008 - 27 for 609 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 49 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 26 for 362 yds; 1 TD; Longest 87 yds; 6 Fair Catches;
2008 - 30 for 279 yds; 1 TD; Longest 92 yds; 9 Fair Catches.

James, Brandon WR - Florida
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 29 for 756 yds; 1 TDs; Longest 85 yds;
2008 - 32 for 738 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 52 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 44 for 244 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 49 yds; 11 Fair Catches;
2008 - 46 for 510 yds; 2 TDs; Longest 78 yds; 8 Fair Catches.

Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi CB - Indiana( Pa.)
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 16 for 475 yds; 2 TDs; Longest 89 yds;
2008 - 13 for 318 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 36 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 22 for 275 yds; 3 TDs; Longest 70 yds;
2008 - 20 for 242 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 39 yds.

Shipley, Jordan WR - Texas
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 4 for 74 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 23 yds;
2008 - 15 for 394 yds; 1 TD; Longest 96 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 58 for 311 yds; 2 TDs; Longest 74 yds; 34 Fair Catches;
2008 - 14 for 64 yds; 1 TD; Longest 45 yds; 8 Fair Catches.

Spiller, C.J. RB - Clemson
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 23 for 755 yds; 4 TDs; Longest 96 yds;
2008 - 19 for 516 yds; 1 TD; Longest 96 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 14 for 210 yds; 1 TD; Longest 77 yds; 6 Fair Catches;
2008 - 24 for 189 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 33 yds; 6 Fair Catches.

Tate, Golden WR - Notre Dame
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 3 for 62 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 24 yds;
2008 - 26 for 521 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 30 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 32 for 171 yds; 1 TD; Longest 87 yds; 20 Fair Catches;
2008 - 24 for 116 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 42 yds; 10 Fair Catches.

Thurmond, Walter CB - Oregon
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 8 for 194 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 41 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 15 for 165 yds; 1 TD; Longest 78 yds; 4 Fair Catches.

Williams, Kyle WR - Arizona State
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds;
2008 - 27 for 630 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 46 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 43 for 229 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 53 yds; 20 Fair Catches;
2008 - 27 for 234 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 64 yds; 12 Fair Catches.

Parts 2 and 3 to follow.
List of Some NCAA Kickoff and Punt Returners in 2010 NFL Draft

Part 2: Kick Return Specialists (>5 in 2008 or 2009)

Best, Jahvid RB - California
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 1 for 18 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 18 yds;
2008 - 16 for 421 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 54 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds; 0 Fair Catches;
2008 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds; 0 Fair Catches.

McCourty, Devin CB - Rutgers
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 14 for 356 yds; 1 TD; Longest 98 yds;
2008 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 2 for 21 yds; 0 TD; Longest 17 yds; 0 Fair Catches;
2008 - 1 for 25 yds; 0 TD; Longest 25 yds; 0 Fair Catches.

Part 3 to follow.
List of Some NCAA Kickoff and Punt Returners in 2010 NFL Draft

Part 3: Punt Return Specialists (>5 in 2008 or 2009)

Barnes, Freddie WR - Bowling Green
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 16 for 117 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 54 yds; 3 Fair Catches.

Bryant, Dez WR - Oklahoma State
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 2 for 43 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 25 yds;
2008 - 4 for 100 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 39 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 3 for 111 yds; 1 TD; Longest 82 yds; 0 Fair Catches;
2008 - 20 for 305 yds; 2 TDs; Longest 78 yds; 2 Fair Catches.

Jones, Chad S - LSU
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 1 for 5 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 5 yds;
2008 - 2 for 25 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 17 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 9 for 129 yds; 1 TD; Longest 93 yds; 3 Fair Catches;
2008 - 21 for 95 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 24 yds; 13 Fair Catches.

Johnson, Stefon RB - USC
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 42 for 305 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 54 yds; 9 Fair Catches.

Roberts, Andre WR - Citadel
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 3 for 66 yds;
2008 - 2 for 37 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 14 for 217 yds;
2008 - 18 for 379 yds.

Sanders, Emmanuel WR - SMU
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 40 for 275 yds; 1 TD; Longest 79 yds; 20 Fair Catches.

Thompson, Syd'Quan LB - California
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds;
2008 - 1 for 15 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 15 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 8 for 45 yds; 0 TD; Longest 12 yds; 0 Fair Catches;
2008 - 39 for 344 yds; 1 TD; Longest 73 yds; 11 Fair Catches.

Williams, Damian WR - USC
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 44 for 340 yds; 2 TDs; Longest 66 yds; 20 Fair Catches.

Wilson. Kyle CB - Boise State
Kickoff Returns
2009 - 2 for 32 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 20 yds;
2008 - 0 for 0 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 0 yds.
Punt Returns
2009 - 47 for 250 yds; 0 TDs; Longest 59 yds; 23 Fair Catches;
2008 - 37 for 470 yds; 3 TD; Longest 90 yds; 4 Fair Catches.

That's all folks. Any questions or errors, please let me know. Again, hope it helps in reviewing potential returners.
For a noob I have to say and
Sorry, my data source clarification was lost in the translation.

My data came from ESPN and Fox Sports stats lists and from individual college stats in some cases. The few numbers I checked seemed to agree with those in CFBStats.com after subtracting the fair catches.
I have a comment on the list of returners. I will post it if anyone is interested in seeing.
Originally posted by jta854:
I have a comment on the list of returners. I will post it if anyone is interested in seeing.

This is a disscusion board. Discuss away
My summary is that the following are the potential draft picks that would help us:

1. Spiller
2. Owusu-Ansa
3. Shipley
all this goes down the drain if we sign L.Washington.