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My revised mock--picks 1 to 49--post-Senior Bowl

whats the niners 13th pick worth vs the 3 over all Tampa Bay (Needs: Any position on defense): Eric Berry S. Comment: Think Tampa really wants to trade down here five to ten places to get value at DE. Eric Berry is nice but they really want a DE such as Dunlap or Pierre-Paul to shore up their weak ends. Picking a DE here might be just a little bit of reach. If they cannot, then go with highest rated player in an area they do need but not as bad as DE.

I think we need to make a move and jump ahead and get berry. with are other first round pick we can still pick up a rt. so what's the point amount browns traded way down for some crap last season could we pull a move such as this to grab a guy to push us into an elite d...
Originally posted by domesik:
I don't know, if Jackson gets in big trouble for beating his girl, St. Louis may need a RB also.

that fact that you believe that alone is a facepalm

Why do you have Seattle having a better draft than us?
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Why is erryone so high on Graham...with one of our 1st round picks??? We have 4 decent to good pass rushers. Heck we finished with 44 sacks. The NFL leaders in sacks were the Vikes w/ 48. With Brooks having clearly a ton of potential that actually turned into sacks once given the chance to play and lawson getting better each year, AND haralson 1 season removed form an 8 sack year and spending most of this season injured......where do we play Graham? You don't spend a top 20 pick on a position you are fairly stacked at.

Why not just get O'brien Schofield in like the 5-7th round, IR him for the year and go to town with him in 2011?

Because the team had 44 sacks, but zero pressure in the must win games. Look at the sacks vs teams that finished above 8-8 and we had next to no sacks. The Niners need a good pass rush, with a 3-4, several good OLB's are the way to go.

3 sacks on peyton manning... next response

That was do to justin smith... Also besides are depth is horrible and before manny lit it up this season many said they wanted him replaced. Brook could be just like PH a one year wonder besides them 3 there's nobody that can create that pressure if one of them goes down were in some trouble, also that kid has one quick step and moves.....
[ Edited by TheGoldDiggerrrr on Feb 1, 2010 at 9:30 PM ]
with Jacoby Jones as a Returner, and all the weapons on offense including Andre Johnson and Steve Slaton I really can't see Spiller going to Houston.
Originally posted by 9erred:

Because the team had 44 sacks, but zero pressure in the must win games. Look at the sacks vs teams that finished above 8-8 and we had next to no sacks. The Niners need a good pass rush, with a 3-4, several good OLB's are the way to go.
oh, how could i forget that collecting sacks against poor opponents is a signficiant sign that we have a terrific pass rush...ok, we got something like a pass rush against peyton but where were he against favre and the other serious opponents? i dont need pass rushers who start to sack when the opponent is already destroyed...
if you want to stop our opponents to throwing our secondary all over then you have to bring more pressure on the opposing qb.
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by Ether:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Why is erryone so high on Graham...with one of our 1st round picks??? We have 4 decent to good pass rushers. Heck we finished with 44 sacks. The NFL leaders in sacks were the Vikes w/ 48. With Brooks having clearly a ton of potential that actually turned into sacks once given the chance to play and lawson getting better each year, AND haralson 1 season removed form an 8 sack year and spending most of this season injured......where do we play Graham? You don't spend a top 20 pick on a position you are fairly stacked at.

Why not just get O'brien Schofield in like the 5-7th round, IR him for the year and go to town with him in 2011?

Because the team had 44 sacks, but zero pressure in the must win games. Look at the sacks vs teams that finished above 8-8 and we had next to no sacks. The Niners need a good pass rush, with a 3-4, several good OLB's are the way to go.

3 sacks on peyton manning... next response

0 Sacks on Donovan McNabb. What is your point?

My point is that selecting a decent undersized unproven @ the nfl level college DE isn't worth picking in the first round when we have a team thats able to get 3 sacks against the best pass oline in football.

also he's not undersized at all. 263lb ok so do you have a real point?
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I like this mock for us. I agree that Mclell won't take Spiller with either first round pick for 2 reasons. A) We drafted Gore in later rounds which shows that he thinks we can find RBs in later draft rounds and B) We have Gore - probowl running back. Why not draft at any position other than the one where you got a probowler?

I doubt he'll take Iupati with the 2nd pick because Guard is also a position where he thinks he can find value in later rounds. If he took him here, then he would have to be convinced the guys guna be the next Larry Allen...so if he DID do it, that'd be really exciting but I strongly doubt it.

Now, if Earl Thomas was available with our 2nd pick I'm not sure if we would take the pass rusher or the safety but I think he'll take the passrusher. It seems like he would value the OLB position more...an elite passrusher over an elite strong safety assuming their skill levels are the same.
I wouldn't mind this.
Originally posted by 9erHIGH:
i dont think the b.graham pick is a bad pick, i just dont think scot will do it.
i get the impression that the 9ers front office feels better about their pass rush
than all of us do. i think they feel like they're on to something with brooks,
and i believed they are fairly satisfied with lawson and haralson on 3rd downs,
with briggs in the wings.

i wouldnt be surprised to see them try to get back into early second
and try to make a move on a guy like hughes, but more than likely,
i dont think they will take a OLB any earlier than the 3rd.

i see them taking spiller over graham in a little bit of a surprise, but not as much
of a surprise when we recall scot also took vernon and crabtree with the 6 and 10
overall respectively. spiller has both the speed that scot likes to draft
and the playmaking ability he likes to talk about. i would also feel much more
confident as a GM knowing i have spiller and coffee if gore goes down,
than i would with coffee and mccluster???

i'm not very confident in mccluster. even less stout than other small guys
like d.jackson, sproles, s.smith, etc. i wouldnt want to draft him.

i'd rather see gilyard or ford with this pick if we pass on spiller and
the rest of the picks go as u project. i really believe gilyard can develop into
an ochocinco style player but from the slot. i like his feet. ford has deep threat
written all over him, and with him focusing on football and no more track,
i think his ceiling is MUCH higher than people give him credit for.
as it is many were surprised by his route running and hands...
he might even be gone before we pick in the 2nd

I hear where you are coming from but have a feeling Graham may be a special one like Terrell Suggs or Dwight Freeney. And don't forget, you cannot have too many pass rushers as shown by the Giants. This second first rounder is a hard one and had me waffling so much. But teams win by being able to stop the pass. Our pass rush is based more on scheme then actual talent. Yes, Brooks had that breakout game vs. Arizona but nothing as close afterwards. This is because Brooks is still raw. Both Harrelson and Lawson have a tendency to get nicked up while Briggs is strictly a back-up. So picking up Graham may not be so far-fetched here.

Spiller would have been real nice for our second first rounder but McCluster is close. Even though he is small, he does have some ability to break takles. Take a look at the game he had against Tennessee, which has two first round talents in Berry and Williams and you will see he is more than shake and bake. Most of you may remember Dexter Carter who we drafted out of FSU almost twenty years ago. If you just breathed on Dexter, he would fall down. But McCluster is no Dexter Carter. Take a look at his games and you will see he plays bigger than his size. In fact he made a decleating block on one defender but forget which game that was. Saying that, would have hoped Wilson or Cox could have fallen to them in the second round but corners usually get picked up quickly and a little ahead of where they may have been viewed. sS could not see them last to our second. Gilyard and Ford at WR were also options but they cannot do what McCluster can do in the backfield and McCluster can play the slot as well as they do. But all are really good returners. Overall, McCluster could do just a little more than those players and that is why I felt we pick him. BTW, no way Gilyard and Ford go past the second round unless they tear something in their legs.
Originally posted by NinersFo6:
Why do you have Seattle having a better draft than us?

I would hate it too but got to think reasonably when doing these mocks. But the consolation is Graham does give Bulaga fits while they played in college.
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Why is erryone so high on Graham...with one of our 1st round picks??? We have 4 decent to good pass rushers. Heck we finished with 44 sacks. The NFL leaders in sacks were the Vikes w/ 48. With Brooks having clearly a ton of potential that actually turned into sacks once given the chance to play and lawson getting better each year, AND haralson 1 season removed form an 8 sack year and spending most of this season injured......where do we play Graham? You don't spend a top 20 pick on a position you are fairly stacked at.

Why not just get O'brien Schofield in like the 5-7th round, IR him for the year and go to town with him in 2011?


Very good point but I'd say he would go higher than that. It wouldn't be a need but it's nice to have as many pass rushers as you can get. It would be more of a BPA than a need pick.
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
with Jacoby Jones as a Returner, and all the weapons on offense including Andre Johnson and Steve Slaton I really can't see Spiller going to Houston.

That's because Slaton is not the long-term answer. Yes, he had a decent 2008 season but his 2009 season was poor. In fact, a lot of times they got into shootouts because the running game was non-existent. Slaton himself was benched in the middle of the season for his poor performance and penchant for fumbling. In fact against the Raiders, he fumbled FOUR TIMES and Coach Kubiak stated after a game vs the Cardinals stated "If we've got to go out there and throw it all the time, that's what we'll do." http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/6663213.html

Slaton was finally put out of duty for the last four games when he was put on IR. So if Spiller is there, I feel they will push the button on him.
Originally posted by TheGoldDiggerrrr:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by Ether:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by SWAGG-ER:
Why is erryone so high on Graham...with one of our 1st round picks??? We have 4 decent to good pass rushers. Heck we finished with 44 sacks. The NFL leaders in sacks were the Vikes w/ 48. With Brooks having clearly a ton of potential that actually turned into sacks once given the chance to play and lawson getting better each year, AND haralson 1 season removed form an 8 sack year and spending most of this season injured......where do we play Graham? You don't spend a top 20 pick on a position you are fairly stacked at.

Why not just get O'brien Schofield in like the 5-7th round, IR him for the year and go to town with him in 2011?

Because the team had 44 sacks, but zero pressure in the must win games. Look at the sacks vs teams that finished above 8-8 and we had next to no sacks. The Niners need a good pass rush, with a 3-4, several good OLB's are the way to go.

3 sacks on peyton manning... next response

0 Sacks on Donovan McNabb. What is your point?

My point is that selecting a decent undersized unproven @ the nfl level college DE isn't worth picking in the first round when we have a team thats able to get 3 sacks against the best pass oline in football.

also he's not undersized at all. 263lb ok so do you have a real point?

Undersized in height. He's just like everett brown from last year. Scotty passed on him and he had way more pass rushing SKILLS than graham. For anyone to think we'd draft graham after passing on the likes of groves and brown in back to back years, CLEARLY doesn't follow our teams drafting habits. ESPECIALLY with the emergence of brooks and lawson.
Originally posted by KOniner:
8 Oakland (Needs: OL, DE, QB, TE, and OLB): Jacoby Ford WR… No, just kidding. Choice is Carlos Dunlap DE. Comment: This is a hard one because of wacky Al. They have needs on both sides of the line—especially since Richard Seymour is not happy there. So go with the highest rated DE. Other options could be an OT since still value there but feel they go DE. But this one is always subject to change because of Al.

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