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What should we do in the first round?

What should we do in the first round?

Let's see what the webzone consensus is right now.
[ Edited by Superbowl09 on Jan 27, 2010 at 10:35 AM ]
Wow about 50 50 from when I voted ithink 2 OL is better becauSe that will help out offense a lot more time and more running lanes and we wouldn't have to worry about both OT and OGs for a while and heirmann is very solid as well we can always get eat or gilyard in 2nd and that would truly make our team good
I'd love to see a lineman and a game-changer. I would crap my pants if somehow we landed Iupati and Spiller. Then in FA, go after a tackle....preferably one without an injury history like Marvel Smith and Jonas Jennings.
Originally posted by TheRatMan13:
I'd love to see a lineman and a game-changer. I would crap my pants if somehow we landed Iupati and Spiller. Then in FA, go after a tackle....preferably one without an injury history like Marvel Smith and Jonas Jennings.

I'd rather get a tackle in the draft and a guard in free agency. A QUALITY tackle in free agency would be very pricey, whereas a solid guard would be much cheaper. That is why we end up with players like Marvel Smith, because we have to go with the discount RT's and we end up getting screwed. It's time to draft an OT in the first round.
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.
An offense of:
Staley-Iupati-Heitmann-Baas/Rachal-Bulaga/other
Morgan-Crabtree-V. Davis-
Smith-Gore-Walker (as FB/Hback)

might just be pretty potent.
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?
spiller iupati
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

To pick a 2nd Round guard, you have to believe that will be immediately better than Rachal and Baas who were both second round draft picks (and higher than our #49 pick this year). Iupati is considered a future Pro Bowler who the Niners can plug in from April 23. With a consistent OL, the Niners will have multiple playmakers in Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, VD and Walker.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

Your starting to sway my decision with this trading down business. I love Iupati and think he would help our team a lot, but if we were able to move down in the first and pick up another second I think we could get a lot of really good players. I would probably be willing to do that if were able to move down and stay in the first round AND get another second rounder.
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

To pick a 2nd Round guard, you have to believe that will be immediately better than Rachal and Baas who were both second round draft picks (and higher than our #49 pick this year). Iupati is considered a future Pro Bowler who the Niners can plug in from April 23. With a consistent OL, the Niners will have multiple playmakers in Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, VD and Walker.

But if a future pro-bowl guard (as you project him to be) was that valuable to teams, why is Iupati considered more of a mid-to-late 1st rounder and not a top-ten pick? Answer that question, and you'll understand my point about position value.

Think about it...if people can see him being that good, why is he not rated higher in terms of overall prospects. Does it have anything to do with the position he plays and how most teams see that position in terms of overall value???
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jan 27, 2010 at 10:55 AM ]
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Superbowl09:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by TXNinerFan52:
Where is Spiller going to play? You don't waste a 1st round pick on a kick returner. We just drafted Coffee last year in the 3rd; let's see if he can play. We were so loaded at receiver last year Brandon Jones didn't get a chance to show us what he can do.

If you go back and watch the O-Line play from games this past year you will find out our RT, LG, and RG is where we had the most trouble. Chilo is young and athletic; he can get to the second level. Chilo is only in his 2nd year let’s give him one more year. Baas on the other hand is big and slow. He is in his 5th year; his first 3 years were spent on the bench. Baas has trouble getting to the second level and sometimes get faked out by the defensive lineman. I know drafting linemen is not the sexy thing to do, but we must do in order to get to where we're trying to go.

Everyone knows Sing wants to run the ball. He even told you during the season that the line play was unacceptable. I believe Sing is going to try to fix this line this off season. Sing knows we need to be able to run and pass the ball to get to where we need to go.

Spiller is much more than a "kick returner." CJ Spiller is the top-rated RB in this draft by most people's assessment. He would split time with Gore, very similar to what Carolina did when they drafted Jonathan Stewart 13th overall in 2008 when they already had a stud RB in DeAngelo Williams. The Panthers did this because they want to run the ball, and they know they can't just do it with 1 quality back.

Drafting Spiller allows us to rotate in a fresh, high-quality RB at all times, not to mention, adding a dimension to our running game that we haven't had in a long time...warp speed. Spiller also has the ability to line up in the slot and become a threat to catch passes (unlike Coffee), so it's another weapon on the field that teams have to account for.

Coffee is insurance, in case one of the two go down.


Just curious, Ghost, what did you vote for? I'm guessing 1 o-lineman + BPA?

Absolutely.

As good as Iupati is, I personally don't think a quality guard makes as much of an impact on a team as a quality playmaker. So I'd be ok with picking up an OG in the 2nd round and probably not have a real drastic drop-off in talent/team impact between the two, and grab a playmaker like Spiller with that pick.

Or, as I mentioned in another post, trade down from 16/17 with someone who does want Iupati, grab a few more draft choices and pick BPA later in the 1st. If you trade back far enough in the 1st, you can even select Maurkice Pouncey who can be a nice OC/OG combo player for you.

To pick a 2nd Round guard, you have to believe that will be immediately better than Rachal and Baas who were both second round draft picks (and higher than our #49 pick this year). Iupati is considered a future Pro Bowler who the Niners can plug in from April 23. With a consistent OL, the Niners will have multiple playmakers in Crabtree, Morgan, Gore, VD and Walker.

But if a future pro-bowl guard (as you project him to be) was that valuable to teams, why is Iupati considered more of a mid-to-late 1st rounder and not a top-ten pick? Answer that question, and you'll understand my point about position value.

Think about it...if people can see him being that good, why is he not rated higher in terms of overall prospects. Does it have anything to do with the position he plays and how most teams see that position in terms of overall value???

Couldn't the same be said of Spiller?
Too early. Let's see what happens in FA market first.