MMs early 49ers blueprint to the draft

Originally posted by Hopper:
McClain will be one of or if not the safest pick in the draft. Definitely not something I would be upset with if we did draft him.

yeah but how much better does he make us? We already have Willis and Spikes with McKillop in waiting at the TED spot. We have holes elsewhere. This pick IMO has got to go towards fixing our holes at spots like RT, SS, OLB, OG.

We know that MM and MS will most likely fall in love with McClain. But i cannot belive that they will make the same mistake that the Seahawks did last year.

For now, if Davis and Williams and Bulaga are gone before the 13 pick, then heck i would go for Iupati and Spiller with our first round picks and grab Kyle Calloway in the 2nd round.

I think the 49ers one weakness this season against the run was against speedy HB's. Most of the time we got burnt to the outside it was because they would run to Spikes' side of the field. Spikes still has the power to stuff the inside running game, but he doesn't have the wheels to deal with the outside like he once did. Drafting someone like McClain could shore that up. Definitely not our biggest need, but it would make our Run D that much more dominant.

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
I would take Spiller if he was available at 13. I would LOVE Bulaga at 16 or 17

Agreed. If Spiller is there at 13, he better be the pick. He is a game changer on offense and defense. He reminds me of Chris Johnson out of the backfield, and he can return with the best of 'em.

If I am Singletary, here is how I go about bulstering the offense:

- Do whatever it takes to get Logan Mankins in FA.

- If Spiller is there at 13, take him.

- Draft the best tackle available with 16.


Of course, the likelihood of all that happening isnt very high, but those three moves would immediately make it a successful offsesason.

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
I would take Spiller if he was available at 13. I would LOVE Bulaga at 16 or 17

Agreed. If Spiller is there at 13, he better be the pick. He is a game changer on offense and defense. He reminds me of Chris Johnson out of the backfield, and he can return with the best of 'em.

If I am Singletary, here is how I go about bulstering the offense:

- Do whatever it takes to get Logan Mankins in FA.

- If Spiller is there at 13, take him.

- Draft the best tackle available with 16.


Of course, the likelihood of all that happening isnt very high, but those three moves would immediately make it a successful offsesason.

The only thing bad about your scenerio is that Seattle would more than likely if they don't take a Tackle at #6 will take one at #14 leaving us with the 4th or 5th best tackle at #16. That's why I think we need to take our tackle at #13 and Spiller should still be available at #16. I agree, though that Logan Mankins would look good in a Niner uniform.

[ Edited by mayo63 on Jan 13, 2010 at 07:43:59 ]

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
McClain is a terrific player, and I think the moment we saw him run on the field, we would all be pleasantly impressed.

HOWEVER...this team is never going to go anywhere until we get our offensive line corrected. And, the bottom line...we have to replace at least two people in the starting lineup.

While I am a firm believer in selecting the BPA in the first round, I also believe a team needs a plan for success. Success for our team needs to be built on stability on the OL. That should be our primary focus in 2010.

So, give me the two top-graded OL and let's get this party going. Until then, we are really never going to know what we have in Smith, we will be limited in what we can run offensively, and we will continue to shuffle mediocre players around hoping to find some magic combination. To me, end the game right now. Draft Iupati at 13 (I think he's a future Pro-Bowler), and the best OT at 16/17, and let's start training camp.

P.S. If the Niners don't draft a player from the secondary who returns punts in Round 2 or 3, count me shocked. I've got a feeling they'll shoot for CB in Round 2, and S in Round 3. Finally, can we draft a stud FB? Every year, some team picks up the best FB on the board with their 4th rounder, and we select some stiffy player who contributes little.

You really are against taking an OT in the 2nd aren't you? I'm starting to drink the kool aid but I think we could land Iupati at 17. With Okung, Williams, Davis, Brown and Bulaga all being available I cant see a run starting at 14 leaving us with nothing:
14 Seattle (from Denver)
15 New York Giants
16F Tennessee
Seattle may go OT but I think they go with one of the previous mentioned ones, so they don't have to "convert" Iupati. If you want to look a few moves ahead in the chess game taking Spiller at 13, in turn, blocks Seattle from drafting him. I can see Davis at #6 which frees up 14 for BPA (Spiller), in this case I would take Spiller first at 13 then Iupati at 16 or 17.

Logan Mankins will most likely be an RFA right? No way am I giving up picks. We should not really be counting on major FA acquisitions this year guys.

Originally posted by mayo63:

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
I would take Spiller if he was available at 13. I would LOVE Bulaga at 16 or 17

Agreed. If Spiller is there at 13, he better be the pick. He is a game changer on offense and defense. He reminds me of Chris Johnson out of the backfield, and he can return with the best of 'em.

If I am Singletary, here is how I go about bulstering the offense:

- Do whatever it takes to get Logan Mankins in FA.

- If Spiller is there at 13, take him.

- Draft the best tackle available with 16.


Of course, the likelihood of all that happening isnt very high, but those three moves would immediately make it a successful offsesason.

The only thing bad about your scenerio is that Seattle would more than likely if they don't take a Tackle at #6 will take one at #14 leaving us with the 4th or 5th best tackle at #16. That's why I think we need to take our tackle at #13 and Spiller should still be available at #16. I agree, though that Logan Mankins would look good in a Niner uniform.

Yeah a lot is going to be dictated by what Seattle does at 6. Let's say they draft a tackle at 6, I bet they would target a player like Spiller with 14. They literally have no game changing players on their offense.

Originally posted by WillistheWall:

Originally posted by TX9R:
I agree that MLB would be low on the list of impact positions on defense, plus you can pencil him in to Denver, biggest lock of the draft that Nolan gets his own Willis there. The problem I see with not taking OT 1st is that you run the risk of a run on them (someone trading back is possible) and then you are left at that 2nd pick with all the good OTs gone. Happens in drafts all the time. I don't really care about who, I have preferences but the first 3 picks should be:
OT
OG/ OLB
OG/OLB in some order.
This draft is deep at 3-4 OLBs and OTs, just not top heavy good quality top to bottom. These are our biggest needs to not address them in this draft is lunacy. In fact if we got Williams, Iupati, and pass rusher 1, 1a, 3, we could trade the rest of our picks for Cribbs and I would be very happy. a 3rd, 5th, and 6th and conditional future pick for Cribbs plus those players and we'd solve a lot of problems.

EXACTLY! Of course the risk of not getting an OT at all is less since we have 16 or 17 3 or 4 picks later, but still. What if the Hawks take Bulaga, the next team takes another guy, and then we're stuck with the worst one. I'm all for taking Bulaga with our first pick, and then using #17 on a safety or a guy like Brandon Graham, who is going to be a ridiculously good player IMO. But MLB is just not high on the list of needs at all IMO, not with Spikes there now and McKillop in waiting.

100% agree Take the best talent for OT on the board with your 1st pick and don't play with fire and end up with lesser talent. Plus I would much ratehr add someone to help the pass rush

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by mayo63:

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
I would take Spiller if he was available at 13. I would LOVE Bulaga at 16 or 17

Agreed. If Spiller is there at 13, he better be the pick. He is a game changer on offense and defense. He reminds me of Chris Johnson out of the backfield, and he can return with the best of 'em.

If I am Singletary, here is how I go about bulstering the offense:

- Do whatever it takes to get Logan Mankins in FA.

- If Spiller is there at 13, take him.

- Draft the best tackle available with 16.


Of course, the likelihood of all that happening isnt very high, but those three moves would immediately make it a successful offsesason.

The only thing bad about your scenerio is that Seattle would more than likely if they don't take a Tackle at #6 will take one at #14 leaving us with the 4th or 5th best tackle at #16. That's why I think we need to take our tackle at #13 and Spiller should still be available at #16. I agree, though that Logan Mankins would look good in a Niner uniform.

Yeah a lot is going to be dictated by what Seattle does at 6. Let's say they draft a tackle at 6, I bet they would target a player like Spiller with 14. They literally have no game changing players on their offense.

If they take a tackle at #6 then take Spiller at #13 and get our RT at #16. I thinks that's probably the way they go unless they take a Qb at #6.

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
I would take Spiller if he was available at 13. I would LOVE Bulaga at 16 or 17

BINGO!

We are on the verge of the playoffs so we just need playmakers. This WE HAVE TO MANY HOLES bulls**t is exactly what it is, bulls**t. We need playmakers to get us over the hump.

1st-OG/OT
1st-OG/OT
2nd-Javier Arenas

Thats ideal...I dont mind McClain either, but I dont see that happening, I know Coach is a former MLB himself and probably gets a huge hard on when he sees a prospect like McClain, but you know what Coach? Go re-up on your viagra at Walgreens and do what our team NEEDS more than what would be NICE to have...

And that would be O-line. Plenty. Of. O-line. I personally would like to spend both our 1sts on them UNLESS it would be a reach, but honestly, with the multitude of 1st round OL prospects, I think we'll be able to grab two and not be reaching on either...and then we grab Javier in the 2nd to address the return game AND hes a solid corner that can come in and challenge for the nickle back spot, hell, maybe even the starting spot opposite Nate...

Then we go from there...

Originally posted by 49wyztoscore:
We were 8-8 which means we are an average team. We need playmakers to get us over the hump. We need a dynamic return guy and help on the O-line to get that done.

Yes.

Good return men can be found all over the draft for the most part. However, if you really want a top line, you need to do your homework and get the best guys early.

Iupati, Davis, Fox, etc. are among those best.

Originally posted by mayo63:

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by mayo63:

Originally posted by TheRatMan13:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:
I would take Spiller if he was available at 13. I would LOVE Bulaga at 16 or 17

Agreed. If Spiller is there at 13, he better be the pick. He is a game changer on offense and defense. He reminds me of Chris Johnson out of the backfield, and he can return with the best of 'em.

If I am Singletary, here is how I go about bulstering the offense:

- Do whatever it takes to get Logan Mankins in FA.

- If Spiller is there at 13, take him.

- Draft the best tackle available with 16.


Of course, the likelihood of all that happening isnt very high, but those three moves would immediately make it a successful offsesason.

The only thing bad about your scenerio is that Seattle would more than likely if they don't take a Tackle at #6 will take one at #14 leaving us with the 4th or 5th best tackle at #16. That's why I think we need to take our tackle at #13 and Spiller should still be available at #16. I agree, though that Logan Mankins would look good in a Niner uniform.

Yeah a lot is going to be dictated by what Seattle does at 6. Let's say they draft a tackle at 6, I bet they would target a player like Spiller with 14. They literally have no game changing players on their offense.

If they take a tackle at #6 then take Spiller at #13 and get our RT at #16. I thinks that's probably the way they go unless they take a Qb at #6.

I think after the combine watching spillers blazing speed seattle takes him at #6 and then goes tackle at #14