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McClain is a good player, but I'm not blown away by him. He's smart, but he lacks the pursuit skills of guys like Willis, Mayo and Ryans, IMO.

Also, I doubt he lands in Denver either. Every seems to assume that's a certainty, but they have Andra Davis and DJ Williams playing well. They look good at LB. Dez Bryant wouldn't surprise me there. They'd like to bolster their Dline and safeties, the value probably won't be there though.
Originally posted by strickac:
McClain is a good player, but I'm not blown away by him. He's smart, but he lacks the pursuit skills of guys like Willis, Mayo and Ryans, IMO.

Also, I doubt he lands in Denver either. Every seems to assume that's a certainty, but they have Andra Davis and DJ Williams playing well. They look good at LB. Dez Bryant wouldn't surprise me there. They'd like to bolster their Dline and safeties, the value probably won't be there though.


He would be a perfect compliment to Patrick Willis though and he is the type of defensive leader we are missing on defense. Plus I think he is an every down guy and can even line up as a rush DE/OLB on 3rd downs.
McClain is a terrific player, and I think the moment we saw him run on the field, we would all be pleasantly impressed.

HOWEVER...this team is never going to go anywhere until we get our offensive line corrected. And, the bottom line...we have to replace at least two people in the starting lineup.

While I am a firm believer in selecting the BPA in the first round, I also believe a team needs a plan for success. Success for our team needs to be built on stability on the OL. That should be our primary focus in 2010.

So, give me the two top-graded OL and let's get this party going. Until then, we are really never going to know what we have in Smith, we will be limited in what we can run offensively, and we will continue to shuffle mediocre players around hoping to find some magic combination. To me, end the game right now. Draft Iupati at 13 (I think he's a future Pro-Bowler), and the best OT at 16/17, and let's start training camp.

P.S. If the Niners don't draft a player from the secondary who returns punts in Round 2 or 3, count me shocked. I've got a feeling they'll shoot for CB in Round 2, and S in Round 3. Finally, can we draft a stud FB? Every year, some team picks up the best FB on the board with their 4th rounder, and we select some stiffy player who contributes little.

[ Edited by MadDog49er on Jan 12, 2010 at 15:19:36 ]
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Originally posted by MadDog49er:
McClain is a terrific player, and I think the moment we saw him run on the field, we would all be pleasantly impressed.

HOWEVER...this team is never going to go anywhere until we get our offensive line corrected. And, the bottom line...we have to replace at least two people in the starting lineup.

While I am a firm believer in selecting the BPA in the first round, I also believe a team needs a plan for success. Success for our team needs to be built on stability on the OL. That should be our primary focus in 2010.

So, give me the two top-graded OL and let's get this party going. Until then, we are really never going to know what we have in Smith, we will be limited in what we can run offensively, and we will continue to shuffle mediocre players around hoping to find some magic combination. To me, end the game right now. Draft Iupati at 13 (I think he's a future Pro-Bowler), and the best OT at 16/17, and let's start training camp.

P.S. If the Niners don't draft a player from the secondary who returns punts in Round 2 or 3, count me shocked. I've got a feeling they'll shoot for CB in Round 2, and S in Round 3. Finally, can we draft a stud FB? Every year, some team picks up the best FB on the board with their 4th rounder, and we select some stiffy player who contributes little.

I'm with you, Mad. I'd love to get a Tackle and Iupati, but I doubt they go 2 OL back to back. Still, we need to address the OL first and foremost.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
McClain is a terrific player, and I think the moment we saw him run on the field, we would all be pleasantly impressed.

HOWEVER...this team is never going to go anywhere until we get our offensive line corrected. And, the bottom line...we have to replace at least two people in the starting lineup.

While I am a firm believer in selecting the BPA in the first round, I also believe a team needs a plan for success. Success for our team needs to be built on stability on the OL. That should be our primary focus in 2010.

So, give me the two top-graded OL and let's get this party going. Until then, we are really never going to know what we have in Smith, we will be limited in what we can run offensively, and we will continue to shuffle mediocre players around hoping to find some magic combination. To me, end the game right now. Draft Iupati at 13 (I think he's a future Pro-Bowler), and the best OT at 16/17, and let's start training camp.

P.S. If the Niners don't draft a player from the secondary who returns punts in Round 2 or 3, count me shocked. I've got a feeling they'll shoot for CB in Round 2, and S in Round 3. Finally, can we draft a stud FB? Every year, some team picks up the best FB on the board with their 4th rounder, and we select some stiffy player who contributes little.

I wouldn't have a problem going with a Trent Williams and Lupati as our first round picks. I think what MM was saying that we could get better value if we go with the best defensive player at 13, then go OL at 16/17 and add another OL in the 2nd round.
According to the BPA theory McClain should be the pick
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Originally posted by theninermaniac:
According to the BPA theory McClain should be the pick

I've never subscribed to that theory.

I go with the BOOB theory myself. Best On Our Board. List your needs in order, and pick the best player that fills those needs.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
McClain is a terrific player, and I think the moment we saw him run on the field, we would all be pleasantly impressed.

HOWEVER...this team is never going to go anywhere until we get our offensive line corrected. And, the bottom line...we have to replace at least two people in the starting lineup.

While I am a firm believer in selecting the BPA in the first round, I also believe a team needs a plan for success. Success for our team needs to be built on stability on the OL. That should be our primary focus in 2010.

So, give me the two top-graded OL and let's get this party going. Until then, we are really never going to know what we have in Smith, we will be limited in what we can run offensively, and we will continue to shuffle mediocre players around hoping to find some magic combination. To me, end the game right now. Draft Iupati at 13 (I think he's a future Pro-Bowler), and the best OT at 16/17, and let's start training camp.

P.S. If the Niners don't draft a player from the secondary who returns punts in Round 2 or 3, count me shocked. I've got a feeling they'll shoot for CB in Round 2, and S in Round 3. Finally, can we draft a stud FB? Every year, some team picks up the best FB on the board with their 4th rounder, and we select some stiffy player who contributes little.

I feel the same way about the first part.

I almost hope McClain is gone before #13 so that we can land the best OL there, which hands down I feel is Iupati, as well. The only other lineman I'd want there would be Anthony Davis because of his massive upside on top of his already tremendous talent.

Swap my picks from my previous mock -- as I looked at the top tackle talent, there are seven I rate as 1st rounders, if I recall -- and take Iupati and then the best tackle available within one of the next 2 or 3 picks. Although, I'd highly advise against waiting until the 3rd to address our gaping whole at RT.

I'm so anxious for the draft already. One of the most exciting days of the year is the day I get to sit with my board in from of me and mark off one by one the picks we make, testing Scot's BPA and draft strategics in general.

Quite honestly, in the end I don't think MM has any more idea about what Scot will do than anyone else. He's always full of unpleasant surprises on draft day, never seeming to accomplish anything better than mediocrity overall in my eyes.

2009: 1 starter, the rest backups. One on IR, one wasn't even on an active roster for virtually the whole year.

2008: 1.5 Starters. Morgan gets the .5 because of Bruce playing over him until just succumbing to injury and age. 1st rounder spent on role player in Balmer who landed on IR this year. 2nd rounder struggled. R.Smith continues to get hurt. Larry Grant I believe is out of the league.

2007. Decent draft. 2 instant starters. Six of nine were or became contributors early.

2006: Average draft. Davis was the best pick. 1 instant starter who wasn't utilized properly until now. Lawson rotated between guys like Brandon Moore, Hannibal Navies, and Roderick Green. Several players drafted are now out of the league.

2005: Decent draft (only because of Gore). I'm not going to bash the Smith pick -- even though I was pulling for Braylon -- because he's well on his way, it seems, to a 20+ TD year this upcoming year, especially if we fix our line. 20+ TDs is something no 49er QB has accomplished since Garcia's second to last year here. First five picks of this draft were okay. The rest are what bother me. Six players either no longer on the team or out of the league.

Teams like the Colts are landing players in the late rounds that have stepped in to start and not miss a beat. That's great drafting. We're not getting that.
I'd have to agree with MD over MM on this one. No matter how strong the defense is, without an offensive line this team will be toast (again). I have no problem taking an OT and an OG with the two first round picks.

One of the things I learned watching the playoff games this weekend was that the Jets have FOUR first round draft picks on their OL. They seem to do a pretty decent job of running the ball and protecting their QB. Maybe we ought to consider stocking our line similarly.
We were 8-8 which means we are an average team. We need playmakers to get us over the hump. We need a dynamic return guy and help on the O-line to get that done.

[ Edited by 49wyztoscore on Jan 12, 2010 at 18:43:05 ]
We can pretty much guarantee that one of the first round picks will be used on a RT, but I doubt they used both on the OL.

ILB wouldn't shock me at all especially if McClain is sitting there. They tried to trade for Briggs in 07, they liked Curtis Lofton in 08 and Rey in 09, so all indications point to another possible ILB draft pick in either the 1st or 2nd round.

McCloughan also doesn't value guards in the 1st round, so maybe Iupati doesn't get picked unless they plan on using him at RT like Brandon Albert with the Chiefs. He might be able to considering his athleticism and footwork.

As I see it right now, if Eric Berry, Joe Haden, or Rolando McClain manage to fall to #13, McCloughan will push RT to the second 1st round pick.

[ Edited by DesiDez on Jan 12, 2010 at 18:29:29 ]
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
I know McClain is pretty damn good but I'm just not a fan of taking an ILB there when we have so many holes to fill, and we still have TKO at TED and McKillop in waiting. I'd be fine if we took a pass rushing OLB, or a DB, or an offensive tackle. That's one of the reasons that while I think Iupati is an absolute friggin breast, I've cooled on taking him with one of the 1sts because he's an OG. Our main need is RT or LG, and you can get a LG in FA that has experience in Bobbie Williams or Stephen Neal.

I'm with you, why draft an ILB now? Willis is a freaking beast and Spikes is still pretty good. Draft an OT 1A, OG 1B, then either a passrusher, CB, S. Hope fully we can fill some of these holes in FA as well.
Originally posted by mayo63:
Linebacker? MM has been drinking.

niners reportedly had alot of interest in jerdo mayo when he came out, as well as curtis lofton....mcclain wouldnt be that big of a surprise
Originally posted by strickac:
McClain is a good player, but I'm not blown away by him. He's smart, but he lacks the pursuit skills of guys like Willis, Mayo and Ryans, IMO.

Also, I doubt he lands in Denver either. Every seems to assume that's a certainty, but they have Andra Davis and DJ Williams playing well. They look good at LB. Dez Bryant wouldn't surprise me there. They'd like to bolster their Dline and safeties, the value probably won't be there though.

Yeah he seems real slow on the videos i've seen too. I think Curtis Lofton was better coming out of the draft.
McClain will be one of or if not the safest pick in the draft. Definitely not something I would be upset with if we did draft him.
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