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The only names we should see at 13 and 17

Originally posted by tohara3:
Originally posted by nvninerfan1:
Don't disagree on RT (or LT if that's what we find), but believe we also need to
address some speed on the offensive side of the ball. Frank Gore is not getting any younger, and while I have no problem with Coffee (he's a similiar runner to Gore) we need some speed at the skill positions.

Crabtree was never known as a burner, but it's his hands and receiving skills that made him special.

While we do need some long term skill at pass rushing and Defensive Backfield, our
offense is just too predicatable. I still have no idea what Brandon Jones is (or what it was we saw in him) but the rest of our WRs are clones of one another.

CJ Spiller would be interesting given what he could do for our return game and speed on the edge or slot.

Forgot to add that it's a problem when the fastest guy on your offense is a TE.

Agree. CJ Spiller may also be the BPA on the board when we draft

Yep. I am hoping that we can get CB Joe Haden and CJ Spiller in the 1st round. Draft a QB, a blocking TE and an OLB at some point, use the rest of the picks on O and D lineman, especially O.
Why is this season any different from others? Everyone always says you can find a good RT in the second and third round. Why can we not spend our 1st two picks on Spiller and Thomas / Lupita/ or Haden then spend our 2nd round pick on a RT ? Then we'll have big playmakers and still have rounds 3-7 left.
[ Edited by OtisDriftwood on Jan 5, 2010 at 7:08 AM ]
Originally posted by OtisDriftwood:
Why is this season any different from others? Everyone always says you can find a good RT in the second and third round. Why can we not spend our 1st two picks on Spiller and Thomas / Lupita/ or Haden then spend our 2nd round pick on a RT ? Then we'll have big playmakers and still have rounds 3-7 left.

why settle for good when u can have a great o line all the good teams have a great o line
The pass rush deffinatly came around a bit this year with some guys like Brooks and Lawson showing some promise. I dont expect lawson to be a sack machine but I think Brooks could be. I would deffinately not worry about drafting a pass rusher in the first 3 rounds. The niners were 3rd in the NFL with 44 sacks this season, only 4 behind Minn. So the sacks are there and thats not the issue. Getting a more consistant pass rush will be the key next year and I think the personel on the roster can do that. the secondary is where the niners should use high draft picks. You can never have too many corners and its time to fine Mlewis replacement.
I want Iupati at 13 and an OT at 16/17. Does Scotty Mac draft 2 o-lineman? I doubt it, I think he will disappoint us all and pass on Iupati.
Originally posted by walker807:
The pass rush deffinatly came around a bit this year with some guys like Brooks and Lawson showing some promise. I dont expect lawson to be a sack machine but I think Brooks could be. I would deffinately not worry about drafting a pass rusher in the first 3 rounds. The niners were 3rd in the NFL with 44 sacks this season, only 4 behind Minn. So the sacks are there and thats not the issue. Getting a more consistant pass rush will be the key next year and I think the personel on the roster can do that. the secondary is where the niners should use high draft picks. You can never have too many corners and its time to fine Mlewis replacement.

We had a pass rush against bad teams but not good teams. Jacksonville and St. Louis isn't Atl, GB, or Philly. We thought Haralson and Lawson going into this season would be the answer but they weren't, now we're doing this with Brooks. I hope we find someone in the 2nd or 3rd round or in free agency.

I've seen drafts with us taking 2 O-lineman with our 1st 3 picks. But you can't start 2 rookies and expect to be successful. More importantly can our coaches develop these players. Baas, Snyder, and Rachal were 2nd and 3rd round picks but haven't got any better since they've entered the league.
Originally posted by FunkNinerFlex:
Originally posted by walker807:
The pass rush deffinatly came around a bit this year with some guys like Brooks and Lawson showing some promise. I dont expect lawson to be a sack machine but I think Brooks could be. I would deffinately not worry about drafting a pass rusher in the first 3 rounds. The niners were 3rd in the NFL with 44 sacks this season, only 4 behind Minn. So the sacks are there and thats not the issue. Getting a more consistant pass rush will be the key next year and I think the personel on the roster can do that. the secondary is where the niners should use high draft picks. You can never have too many corners and its time to fine Mlewis replacement.

We had a pass rush against bad teams but not good teams. Jacksonville and St. Louis isn't Atl, GB, or Philly. We thought Haralson and Lawson going into this season would be the answer but they weren't, now we're doing this with Brooks. I hope we find someone in the 2nd or 3rd round or in free agency.

I've seen drafts with us taking 2 O-lineman with our 1st 3 picks. But you can't start 2 rookies and expect to be successful. More importantly can our coaches develop these players. Baas, Snyder, and Rachal were 2nd and 3rd round picks but haven't got any better since they've entered the league.

What about Minn and Ind??
Originally posted by GoFD74:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Originally posted by 9erred:

Like it or not Snyder can be a servicable guard (see Harvey Dahl and Kyle kosier).

Snyder played LG for the first 6 or so games last year and he looked worse there than at RT.

Agreed. Snyder is just a bad o-lineman, regardless of what position you play him. He needs to find another team (or even another occupation).

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I think 3 or more of the people you mentioned as OLB or DE will be available when we pick in Rd 2 because of the depth at Saftey, OT, QB and DT in this years draft. So you may want to re-think using a 1st on that position and look for some speed on the offensive side of the ball or a saftey for that matter. Just one guys opinion though.
Now that Pierre-Paul declared he should be added if he's there at #13 or 17. Altho considering his athletic ability that may be a small chance to see that.

Guy is raw as hell but has incredibly high potential. Kind of reminds me of Amobi Okoye a bit in terms of athletic ability/rawness.

Although Pierre-Paul's ability should help him out at his position more than it did for Okoye(who has been a big disappointment so far)
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by FunkNinerFlex:
Originally posted by walker807:
The pass rush deffinatly came around a bit this year with some guys like Brooks and Lawson showing some promise. I dont expect lawson to be a sack machine but I think Brooks could be. I would deffinately not worry about drafting a pass rusher in the first 3 rounds. The niners were 3rd in the NFL with 44 sacks this season, only 4 behind Minn. So the sacks are there and thats not the issue. Getting a more consistant pass rush will be the key next year and I think the personel on the roster can do that. the secondary is where the niners should use high draft picks. You can never have too many corners and its time to fine Mlewis replacement.

We had a pass rush against bad teams but not good teams. Jacksonville and St. Louis isn't Atl, GB, or Philly. We thought Haralson and Lawson going into this season would be the answer but they weren't, now we're doing this with Brooks. I hope we find someone in the 2nd or 3rd round or in free agency.

I've seen drafts with us taking 2 O-lineman with our 1st 3 picks. But you can't start 2 rookies and expect to be successful. More importantly can our coaches develop these players. Baas, Snyder, and Rachal were 2nd and 3rd round picks but haven't got any better since they've entered the league.

What about Minn and Ind??

Ok. How bout Houston and Tennessee. My point is that we have more consistent pressure against bad teams which inflates our stats. The 1st half of the Atl and GB game were disturbing. If Aaron Rogers wasn't a 49er fan, I think he would have thrown for another 300 yards in the 2nd half, but he didn't want to embarrass his childhood team.
While I think OT is a real need, I think I would prefer a guy like Iupati especially since we have some OTS and really, the ROT is mainly a problem in pass blocking and I have a strong suspicion it is not all the ROTs fault but poor coaching and Chilo seems pretty sluggish to me. I know numbnuts McCloughan has his phobias but I think a superior guard and average OT would do more for us then a hot ROT and subpar guard. Especially the running should improve and that in itself should slow pass rushes. The main problem is finding a decent tackle in the second and third rounds with wonderboy choosing. If we had a good OL coach who could choose I would go after Iupati and save OT for the second or third rounds and pick a pass rusher second.
Ideally, I would maybe trade down the first to where we could get Iupati and then trade down the sec first down where we could get a prime rusher and then go after tackles, DBs, and runningbacks with the acquired picks. I fail to see why we need the best of the best OTs to be successful when it has been shown that they can be risky picks. Time enough to get a top OT later if needed but the team overall would be much better with picks of this type. The main problem I have is having McCloughan making the choices. I would love it if Walsh were doing the thinking.