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Realistic Mock Offseason

  • tap11
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by genus49:
You have us trading....UP????

No, with the 1st round picks he has us taking Berry and Bulaga.

-9fA

First of all if we beat Lions and Rams like we're supposed to be we'll be 8-8 at the worst. With the suckfest of teams this year that will likely be a pick close to 20. Bulaga could very well be a top 15 player so I'll be surprised to see him there for that 2nd pick.

And while I like Berry and think he'll be a great safety I'd rather hold onto our 3rd round pick which is no throw away pick and keep Carolina's pick and not pay a safety that much money and address bigger needs.

If Berry somehow falls to us, great...but trading up for him would be a bad move.

Besides I highly doubt it would just take a 3rd rounder to move up. Anyone can throw out trades but when it's all said and done trading up in the top 10 takes big moves.

This team still has a lot of holes. I'd rather try Reggie Smith at safety or see if we can move Clements there.

I wouldn't argue that this team is ready for the Super Bowl just yet, but with a stud young safety, a probowl caliber left gaurd, a good young RT (if not Bulaga then Anthony Davis or Trent Williams), a good return man, and an additional pass rusher - how many holes are left?
Originally posted by 49niners21:
i thought you could not trade draft picks you received or traded for.

Remember the Patriots traded down our first rounder when they selected Mayo.
Not bad but what about the NT position? I'm 50/50 on re signing Franklin b/c of the one great year is his contract year. But you can't let him go without any real replacement at all.
Logan Mankins and Baas came out in the same year, right? My understanding is that both would be RFA's if there isn't a new labor agreement. If that's true, than there's no way NE fails to tender Mankins imo. Meaning we would have to give up a pick to sign him.

And I'm not sure how the RFA rules work w/o a new CBA. One of the Matt's seemed to indicate a team would have to give up a 2nd round pick for Baas if we tendered him this year. I know there are different levels you could tender RFA's at under the old agreement, just not sure if those rules apply this offseason or not.
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Originally posted by Overkill:
Logan Mankins and Baas came out in the same year, right? My understanding is that both would be RFA's if there isn't a new labor agreement. If that's true, than there's no way NE fails to tender Mankins imo. Meaning we would have to give up a pick to sign him.

And I'm not sure how the RFA rules work w/o a new CBA. One of the Matt's seemed to indicate a team would have to give up a 2nd round pick for Baas if we tendered him this year. I know there are different levels you could tender RFA's at under the old agreement, just not sure if those rules apply this offseason or not.

This is a good point. I am assuming a CBA gets done. If there is a CBA, I think you may be right and neither will be available for a RFA tender. In that scenario I would take Mankins (pay him what he wants) and still be willing to trade a third to move up a couple of slots an get Berry.

If this offseason happens you would have depth charts as follows:

QB - Smith, Hill, Davis
RB - Gore, Reggie Bush , Coffee
FB - Norris
WR - Crabtree, Morgan, Hill, Jones
TE - Davis, Walker, Draft pick
T - Staley, Bulaga, Pashos (I forgot to mention resigning him), Snyder
G - Mankins, Rachal, Draft pick, Wragge
C - Heitman, Wallace

DE - Smith, Sopoaga, Balmer, McDonald
NT - Franklin, Boo Robinson
OLB - Brooks (should start), Lawson, Brandon Graham, Haralson
ILB - Willis, Spikes, McKillop
CB - Clements, Spencer, Brown, Draft Pick
FS - Eric Berry, Goldson
SS - Lewis (in base package), Goldson (in nickle and dime), Reggie Smith

KR / PR - Reggie Bush

[ Edited by tap11 on Dec 15, 2009 at 15:16:43 ]
I like it, but question for you. If you had the chance to pick Berry, would you give it up for another 3rd round pick?

Another thing--does anyone else think that Baas may be another busted draft pick under Nolan that suddenly learns to live up to expectation under Singletary? I'm not sure, but maybe. And it would be good for continuity purposes.
In watching Reggie Bush this season, I'm not impressed. In fact, it's a bit shocking because he doesn't seem anywhere near as quick or fast and runs almost with a nonchalance than with any kind of determination. He runs like he's trying not to get hurt. I can't believe I'm saying this, since he was such a terror in college and I wished the 9'ers could get him at theb time, btu I'd pass on him now.
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Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like it, but question for you. If you had the chance to pick Berry, would you give it up for another 3rd round pick?

Another thing--does anyone else think that Baas may be another busted draft pick under Nolan that suddenly learns to live up to expectation under Singletary? I'm not sure, but maybe. And it would be good for continuity purposes.

I wouldn't, but there are a couple of teams like the Bills, or the Redskins who are ahead of the 49ers who might be willing to make the trade. Both teams need OL and QB, so it might make sense for them.

Baas really makes me mad because I was a fan of him when he entered the draft and he hasn't lived up to expectations. Keep in mind that one good game is not a trend.
Originally posted by tap11:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like it, but question for you. If you had the chance to pick Berry, would you give it up for another 3rd round pick?

Another thing--does anyone else think that Baas may be another busted draft pick under Nolan that suddenly learns to live up to expectation under Singletary? I'm not sure, but maybe. And it would be good for continuity purposes.

I wouldn't, but there are a couple of teams like the Bills, or the Redskins who are ahead of the 49ers who might be willing to make the trade. Both teams need OL and QB, so it might make sense for them.

Baas really makes me mad because I was a fan of him when he entered the draft and he hasn't lived up to expectations. Keep in mind that one good game is not a trend.

i feel as though he's had a pretty decent season overall. Not great, but decent
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Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by tap11:
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
I like it, but question for you. If you had the chance to pick Berry, would you give it up for another 3rd round pick?

Another thing--does anyone else think that Baas may be another busted draft pick under Nolan that suddenly learns to live up to expectation under Singletary? I'm not sure, but maybe. And it would be good for continuity purposes.

I wouldn't, but there are a couple of teams like the Bills, or the Redskins who are ahead of the 49ers who might be willing to make the trade. Both teams need OL and QB, so it might make sense for them.

Baas really makes me mad because I was a fan of him when he entered the draft and he hasn't lived up to expectations. Keep in mind that one good game is not a trend.

i feel as though he's had a pretty decent season overall. Not great, but decent

I would agree that he is doing a better job since Alex took over and the constant "run" blitzing with MLBs coming up the middle has decreased. Still, I think Chilo has a much bigger upside, and it would be nice to have one established gaurd.
Originally posted by tap11:
This mock offseason begins with a couple of premises. First, I don't think that either Scott McCloughan or Mike Singletary will be fired (or Jimmy Raye for the purpose of continuity). Second, because both will be on the hot-seat to make the playoffs, that will mean that they will spend a little money in free agency (49ers will have a lot of cap space) and perhaps be more willing to draft based on need (not usually a good thing). Third, Nate Clements will remain a corner. Finally, I don't think Mike Holmgren will be brought in, which is a good thing - has anyone actually looked at Seattle's roster?

Cuts / retirements
Walt Harris
Jeff Ulbrich - retired
Issac Bruce
Mark Roman
Arnaz Battle
Barry Simms - despite a good performance in relief of Staley

RFA tender / Franchise tag
David Baas - hopefully someone will part with a draftpick for him
Aubreyo Franklin - getting old and I don't want to pay him too much. And there is always the concern over a one year wonder.

Free Agency
Either Logan Mankins (preferable) or Stephen Neal - New England can't keep both and I think Mankins may want too much money so they will be forced to let him walk. Either is familiar with a pass happy offence and are outstanding in pass protection.

Either Reggie Bush or Dominik Hixon - Bush was a highschool teammate of Alex Smith, so he may be interested in coming to SF. In addition to his return abilities, he can be quite a weapon in a "spread" offense. Hixon is a good returner and has some speed.

Draft
Trade Carolina's first and a third (hopefully from a team that wants Baas) to move up in the first. With Jake Locker declaring he will remain at Washington, there is no way Eric Berry Falls to the 49ers.

1A - Eric Berry, FS - he will immediately upgrade the secondary, and is a much better option in a win now mentality than Joe Hayden, as corners typically take a year or two to settle in.

1B - Brian Bulaga OT - this is a need pick in order to stabilize the o-line. I am not a fan of drafting for need, or an RT this high, but it makes sense here given the assumptions I listed above.

2 - Brandon Graham DE / OLB - he is better than any of the other OLB prospects. Look at his production against top competition. Meanwhile, Hughes, Miller, Norwood, etc. have not had particularly outstanding performances against top notch competition. He will join a rotation of Lawson, Harylson, and Brooks, which means they will always be fresh.

Some interesting ideas.

My thoughts:

Franklin has proven to be a stud in a system that has developed into one of the top 5 front sevens in the league. He is also "young" in terms of playing time. He sat the bench in Baltimore behind Kelly Gregg. Hence, he has no where near the miles on him that a similar NT would have at this age. Therefore, the only reason he should not be back next year would be that another team offers him crazy money to go there.

Baas has not shown enough for anyone to make an offer that would result in a draft choice of significant value. I would be surprised if he is worth more than a 4th. Remember, he is now on a team with high QB sack numbers and a rep for a running game that is inconsistent at best.

Harris is still worth a shot in TC. He was playing very well before his injury. Some guys just have bodies that do not age as quickly as others. Even as a nickel back he would still be worth bringing back. However, his presence, or lack of same, is not a big deal.

As to draft choices, I agree Berry would be wonderful but just do not see any scenario the 49ers would give up additional draft choices that would allow them to move up and get him. The only way he drops would be for another Michael Crabtree-type injury occurs, and even that would be a reach.

OL will be the priority in any case. Only question is, who? There are several that would be very nice to have. It just depends on which one is available at the time. There is no way the 49ers do not pick OL in the first round. NONE![/b]