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My Updated (11/21) Mock

Assumptions:

-SF does not make the playoffs, and isn't even close. Sorry to say this, but I simply don't see this offense getting us much past 3 more wins. 7-9. 8-8 maybe. I'll guess our draft spot at 12.

-Carolina plays tough, but at the end of the day their schedule is just too hard. They win 3 more. 7-9. They'll draft right around us. I say 10th.

-The Eagles are not the same after Westbrook retires. Major shake-ups in the organization. Draft picks are wanted. They like Kolb, but like most players, he's got a price. A top 10 pick may just do the trick.

-Mike Holmgren is ready to return. He's done with coaching, but interested in what Parcells is doing. Jed seems interested in bringing old faces of the 49ers back to SF. (Remember when Nolan wouldn't sign Rice because he was too old? The Motherf***er signed Johnnie Morton instead!!!) Anyways, Jed tries to remedy these sins.

Philosophy Change:

The return of Mike Holmgren, the acquisition of Kolb, and the strengths of our current players (Davis, Crabtree, Gore) drives the team towards more of a WCO. Some will say that it's yet another offensive philosophy change. Here's a news flash. We have no offensive philosophy. At all! One game with play primarily out of the I, the next game we're shotgun. Are the 49ers trying to run the simplest offense in football? The San Francisco 49ers running a "don't loose us games" offense? WTF? This is the San Francisco f***ing 49ers. Can we please bring some respect back to this once proud franchise?

Lighter O-lines. This big immobile lineman experiment isn't working. Instead of spending a 2nd round pick on another big kid, can we just get some athletic lineman that can pass protect? You run by passing, because regardless of how big you are, you simply won't mull over 9 guys in the box.

Coaching/Front office changes:

We bring in Holmgren in a Bill Parcells like role. Most important thing? His ability to recognize good QBs. This is a very important decision for us right now, and Mike is going to be the man to make it. He has also worked well with McCloughan before, and will offer a great amount of knowledge in our big draft.

Jimmie Reye stays. But Holmgren starts to help Singletary hire better positions coaches (QB Coach...sorry Mike Johnson, but Holmgren is the right guy to decide who should coach the most important position on the team, WRs coach--maybe--and most importantly O-line coach!).

The defensive staff stays in tact.

Clearly there is going to be discrepancy between the WCO offense that Holmgren will try to influence and Sing's run first mentality. How this will work out, I'm not yet sure. I like Sing's ability to get the best out of his players, and I like Holmgren's ability identify good QBs...a decision that will make or break our franchise. How the two will mesh will also be key. The thing to note is that you can have both. Philly ran a WCO and was one of the more physical teams in the game. I think it's a misconception that Sing is married to the I-formation...he simply thought it fit these players best.

FA:

-Atogwe(S). This is our big signing. The Rams will do their best to resign the vet safety, but players will often leave rebuilding franchises, and the Rams are the epitome of this.

-Logan Mankins (OG). Scotty's OG of choice in the 2005 draft becomes available, and we remedy the Baas pick.

-Lance Moore. This guy is a backup. Don't think anyone will value him otherwise.

-Our own: We resign or franchise Franklin and Sims. The rest wallk.

These are 3 big signings, but we have way to many glaring holes to be cheap here. These are all GOOD players, and young enough to be here for a good stretch of time.


Draft:

1-10. Traded to the Eagles for Kolb. He's a talented QB that's been coached well and sat behind a good QB for 2 years. Philli might not want to trade him, but this is a hell of an offer for an unproven QB. Especially when McNaab still has years left.

1-12. Trade down for the 20th and 52nd picks.

1-20. Brandon Graham (OLB Michigan). This guy is just good. Really really good. With Franklin and Graham the niners will finally have a NT/OLB combination to be a dominant 3-4 D.

(Trade both of our 2nd round picks and our 7th for the 21st pick)

1-21. Charles Brown (OT USC). There's a chance that Brown ultimately gets drafted much earlier than this, but my guess is that 3 to 4 tackles go ahead of him, which should put him in this area. He's going to be a good tackle regardless of the scheme we run, and should be on the level of Joe Staley...which is good enough for us to do what we need to do.

3rd Round. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (CB/KR Indiana(PA)). This came down to this guy and Javier Arenas. I went with Owusu-Ansah based on the recent success of small school defensive backs. This is our new return specialist, and the guy in line to compete for a starting CB spot once Nate is let go in 2011 when his contract is too much to bare.

4th Round. Toby Gerhart (RB Stanford). Today everyone is talking about Toby, but when the off-season rolls around, his clear lack of elite RB measurables and FB-like frame will drop his draft grade. Singletary can't take it anymore, he personally runs the draft card to the podium, salivating at the 4th and 1 potential that Gerhart brings to the table. Not the standard WCO RB, but may be the perfect FB/RB tweener, who can run, catch, block and pick up short yardage.

5th Roud. Antonio Coleman (OLB Auburn). I don't really know this guy's draft grade, but I do know he's been consistently gets after the QB.

6th Round. Matt Copa (OT Stanford). Good OT. Smart Stanford player.

Depth Chart:

QB- Kolb, Hill, Davis
RB- Gore, Coffee, Gerhart
FB- Gerhart, Robinson
WR- Crabtree, Morgan, Hill, Jones, Moore, Dominique Ziegler
TE- Davis, Walker, J.J. Finley
LT- Staley, Sims
LG- Mankins, Wragge
C-Heitman, Wallance
RG- Rachal, Snyder
RT- Brown, Copa (or Boone and Copa to the PS)

DE- Smith, Balmer
NT- Franklin, RJF
DE- McDonald, Sopoaga

LOLB- Graham, Brooks
LILB- Willis, Willhelm
RILB- McKillop
ROLB- Haralson, Briggs

FS- Otogwe, Curtis
SS- Goldson, Smith

CB- Clements, Spencer, Tarrel Brown, Owusu-Ansah, Hudson

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[ Edited by RollinWith21n52 on Nov 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM ]
Wheres Manny Lawson?
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Wheres Manny Lawson?

I got kinda lazy and didn't include him. Basically I don't see him as part of this team's future, but don't know what we can get for him. When is his contract done anyways?
Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
Wheres Manny Lawson?

I got kinda lazy and didn't include him. Basically I don't see him as part of this team's future, but don't know what we can get for him. When is his contract done anyways?

Umm I believe next season is his last. We should resign him. He's definitely one of our best defensive players. Much better than Haralson.
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First off, props on the creative mock. In theory, the Holmgren/McCloughan combo makes sense on many levels if Holmgren wants a front office position.

But I don't think its feasible implement WCO plays in a Coryell system. Hostler tried doing that in 2007, and he was fired because the offense sucked monkey balls.

I think signing all those free agents are not realistic for the following reasons:

- Mankins will be a RFA (if the CBA isn't renewed), and you can bet your ass the Patriots will offer him the highest tender.

- Unless Singletary wants to move Goldson to SS, I don't think Goldson has done anything to warrant him to be replaced. Mind you, he also won't have 6 credited seasons to test free agency openly (CBA issue again).

- More than anything, I think Lance Moore is the product of the Saints system and would falter in an offensive structure such as ours. Unless there's a Fitzgerald type WR on the market, I don't expect making a run for Lance Moore, who'd cost about the same as Arnaz Battle (at least).

I wouldn't be opposed to the Kolb trade (as it would remind me somewhat of the Schaub trade the Texans made), I wonder how committed the Eagles are with McNabb. If they fail the make the post season, you could see McNabb jettisoned in favor for Kolb. With a weak crop of QBs in free agency and the draft, I think the Eagles hang out to Kolb.

I love the trade down and Brandon Graham pick. We finally get a legit pass rusher on our team.

I don't think Charles Brown makes it that far. I see him going ahead of Trent Williams now. Hell, we could select him at #10, and put Staley back at RT.

I honestly feel that Gerhart is not a good fit for our team. We already have physical running backs on our team with Coffee and Robinson. We need a speedy RB to stretch the field.

The rest I like. Solid picks that address areas of need on our team.
Originally posted by GEEK:
First off, props on the creative mock. In theory, the Holmgren/McCloughan combo makes sense on many levels if Holmgren wants a front office position.

But I don't think its feasible implement WCO plays in a Coryell system. Hostler tried doing that in 2007, and he was fired because the offense sucked monkey balls.

I think signing all those free agents are not realistic for the following reasons:

- Mankins will be a RFA (if the CBA isn't renewed), and you can bet your ass the Patriots will offer him the highest tender.

- Unless Singletary wants to move Goldson to SS, I don't think Goldson has done anything to warrant him to be replaced. Mind you, he also won't have 6 credited seasons to test free agency openly (CBA issue again).

- More than anything, I think Lance Moore is the product of the Saints system and would falter in an offensive structure such as ours. Unless there's a Fitzgerald type WR on the market, I don't expect making a run for Lance Moore, who'd cost about the same as Arnaz Battle (at least).

I wouldn't be opposed to the Kolb trade (as it would remind me somewhat of the Schaub trade the Texans made), I wonder how committed the Eagles are with McNabb. If they fail the make the post season, you could see McNabb jettisoned in favor for Kolb. With a weak crop of QBs in free agency and the draft, I think the Eagles hang out to Kolb.

I love the trade down and Brandon Graham pick. We finally get a legit pass rusher on our team.

I don't think Charles Brown makes it that far. I see him going ahead of Trent Williams now. Hell, we could select him at #10, and put Staley back at RT.

I honestly feel that Gerhart is not a good fit for our team. We already have physical running backs on our team with Coffee and Robinson. We need a speedy RB to stretch the field.

The rest I like. Solid picks that address areas of need on our team.

Didn't realize Mankins is a restricted FA. That clearly changes things. Thanks for pointing this out.

As for the WCO and Coryell system, I didn't really suggest mixing them. I don't think we have a system at all right now. I think we can have a more WCO oriented system while still having a physical offense than Singletary covets.

I agree about Lance Moore, and if you notice, I listed him as a backup and put him last on our depth chart. i dont see him as more than a #5 on any team, and that's where i believe he'll be ranked in Free Agency.

Finally, I definitely do like Goldson, just think he can easily cover the SS position. In fact, I think this is a better fit for him.
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As a Michigan fan, I am in love with Brandon Graham.....Kid is a stud. The Wolverines produce quality LBs as of late.
No offense but, thank god you aren't our GM.

1. A Top 10 pick for (as you said it) an unproven QB. So what happens if Kolb sucks? You just set this franchise back even further. I'd use this 1st rounder on the best OL prospect available or Berry if he is available.

2. You are looking to trade away our best OLB, for you don't know what?

3, Holmgren? Have you seen his past drafts? This guy is so overrated. There is a thread somewhere in the zone which lists all his picks. Look for it. If you still want him after seeing that list, then ....
[ Edited by kronik on Nov 21, 2009 at 3:28 PM ]
Originally posted by kronik:
No offense but, thank god you aren't our GM.

1. A Top 10 pick for (as you said it) an unproven QB. So what happens if Kolb sucks? You just set this franchise back even further. I'd use this 1st rounder on the best OL prospect available or Berry if he is available.

2. You are looking to trade away our best OLB, for you don't know what?

3, Holmgren? Have you seen his past drafts? This guy is so overrated. There is a thread somewhere in the zone which lists all his picks. Look for it. If you still want him after seeing that list, then ....

1. If you get a QB with a draft pick he is unproven. Are you suggesting that spending a top pick on a QB doesn't pay off? Can I ask, how do you suggest we address the glaring glaring glaring hole at QB?

2. Manny Lawson is our best OLB? I mean, what? We need a guy to get close to or more than 10 sacks per season, lawson hasn't had that many in 4 years. I realize that forgetting to mention him is a huge mistake, and I should just add him to the depth chart, but Manny is simply not a fit here. 3-4 OLB are here to pressure the QB.

3. Holmgren has coached he greatest QBs in history of the game. Noone has coached that great QBs. This makes him crucial to what we need to do.
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Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:
Originally posted by GEEK:
First off, props on the creative mock. In theory, the Holmgren/McCloughan combo makes sense on many levels if Holmgren wants a front office position.

But I don't think its feasible implement WCO plays in a Coryell system. Hostler tried doing that in 2007, and he was fired because the offense sucked monkey balls.

I think signing all those free agents are not realistic for the following reasons:

- Mankins will be a RFA (if the CBA isn't renewed), and you can bet your ass the Patriots will offer him the highest tender.

- Unless Singletary wants to move Goldson to SS, I don't think Goldson has done anything to warrant him to be replaced. Mind you, he also won't have 6 credited seasons to test free agency openly (CBA issue again).

- More than anything, I think Lance Moore is the product of the Saints system and would falter in an offensive structure such as ours. Unless there's a Fitzgerald type WR on the market, I don't expect making a run for Lance Moore, who'd cost about the same as Arnaz Battle (at least).

I wouldn't be opposed to the Kolb trade (as it would remind me somewhat of the Schaub trade the Texans made), I wonder how committed the Eagles are with McNabb. If they fail the make the post season, you could see McNabb jettisoned in favor for Kolb. With a weak crop of QBs in free agency and the draft, I think the Eagles hang out to Kolb.

I love the trade down and Brandon Graham pick. We finally get a legit pass rusher on our team.

I don't think Charles Brown makes it that far. I see him going ahead of Trent Williams now. Hell, we could select him at #10, and put Staley back at RT.

I honestly feel that Gerhart is not a good fit for our team. We already have physical running backs on our team with Coffee and Robinson. We need a speedy RB to stretch the field.

The rest I like. Solid picks that address areas of need on our team.

Didn't realize Mankins is a restricted FA. That clearly changes things. Thanks for pointing this out.

As for the WCO and Coryell system, I didn't really suggest mixing them. I don't think we have a system at all right now. I think we can have a more WCO oriented system while still having a physical offense than Singletary covets.

I agree about Lance Moore, and if you notice, I listed him as a backup and put him last on our depth chart. i dont see him as more than a #5 on any team, and that's where i believe he'll be ranked in Free Agency.

Finally, I definitely do like Goldson, just think he can easily cover the SS position. In fact, I think this is a better fit for him.

Specifically about Lance Moore, if he isn't going to get a big difference of money in free agency or resigning with the Saints, I think he'll remain with the Saints since the offense utilizes him.
lol at Haralson over Manny. The rest is solid but the iffy CBA situation complicates things.
i would kill myself if we EVER gave up a top 10 pick for Kolb. infact, i would be pissed if we gave up anything over a 4th round pick for him. that is absolutely ridiculous.

people don't get the eagles system. AJ feely, koy detmer, etc etc. they are a product of andy reids system. kolb is a garbage qb and he will NEVER make it as a full time starter in the NFL. and you can take that to the bank.

some of you scare me with these trade proposals and who you want to acquire
Originally posted by kronik:
No offense but, thank god you aren't our GM.

1. A Top 10 pick for (as you said it) an unproven QB. So what happens if Kolb sucks? You just set this franchise back even further. I'd use this 1st rounder on the best OL prospect available or Berry if he is available.

2. You are looking to trade away our best OLB, for you don't know what?

3, Holmgren? Have you seen his past drafts? This guy is so overrated. There is a thread somewhere in the zone which lists all his picks. Look for it. If you still want him after seeing that list, then ....

i agree dont like any of the moves
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by kronik:
No offense but, thank god you aren't our GM.

1. A Top 10 pick for (as you said it) an unproven QB. So what happens if Kolb sucks? You just set this franchise back even further. I'd use this 1st rounder on the best OL prospect available or Berry if he is available.

2. You are looking to trade away our best OLB, for you don't know what?

3, Holmgren? Have you seen his past drafts? This guy is so overrated. There is a thread somewhere in the zone which lists all his picks. Look for it. If you still want him after seeing that list, then ....

i agree dont like any of the moves

+1

They are not spending a top ten pick on Kolb, that could very well be the f**kup of the century. Their 1st pick should be spent on a o-lineman. Their second pick in the 1st round should be spent on an OLB, and their 2nd round pick should be another o-lineman. The offensive line is a bigger problem than QB right now IMO.

While I like Atogwe, the fact that he's banging Sing's daughter could be a conflict of interest at some point and the press would eat that alive. Doubt it would work out, unless Atogwe would agree to put his career before his johnson.
[ Edited by AXEGRINDER on Nov 21, 2009 at 10:58 PM ]
1. We don't run a WCO
2. Gerhart will in no way shape or form be available in the 4th round, I will put money on it.
3. Manny is Money!, if you can't see that it's a shame for you. You should consider watching the niners play and see what he brings to the team. and Haralson is garbage.