My Updated (11/21) Mock

Wheres Manny Lawson?

Originally posted by btthepunk:
Wheres Manny Lawson?

I got kinda lazy and didn't include him. Basically I don't see him as part of this team's future, but don't know what we can get for him. When is his contract done anyways?

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by btthepunk:
Wheres Manny Lawson?

I got kinda lazy and didn't include him. Basically I don't see him as part of this team's future, but don't know what we can get for him. When is his contract done anyways?

Umm I believe next season is his last. We should resign him. He's definitely one of our best defensive players. Much better than Haralson.

First off, props on the creative mock. In theory, the Holmgren/McCloughan combo makes sense on many levels if Holmgren wants a front office position.

But I don't think its feasible implement WCO plays in a Coryell system. Hostler tried doing that in 2007, and he was fired because the offense sucked monkey balls.

I think signing all those free agents are not realistic for the following reasons:

- Mankins will be a RFA (if the CBA isn't renewed), and you can bet your ass the Patriots will offer him the highest tender.

- Unless Singletary wants to move Goldson to SS, I don't think Goldson has done anything to warrant him to be replaced. Mind you, he also won't have 6 credited seasons to test free agency openly (CBA issue again).

- More than anything, I think Lance Moore is the product of the Saints system and would falter in an offensive structure such as ours. Unless there's a Fitzgerald type WR on the market, I don't expect making a run for Lance Moore, who'd cost about the same as Arnaz Battle (at least).

I wouldn't be opposed to the Kolb trade (as it would remind me somewhat of the Schaub trade the Texans made), I wonder how committed the Eagles are with McNabb. If they fail the make the post season, you could see McNabb jettisoned in favor for Kolb. With a weak crop of QBs in free agency and the draft, I think the Eagles hang out to Kolb.

I love the trade down and Brandon Graham pick. We finally get a legit pass rusher on our team.

I don't think Charles Brown makes it that far. I see him going ahead of Trent Williams now. Hell, we could select him at #10, and put Staley back at RT.

I honestly feel that Gerhart is not a good fit for our team. We already have physical running backs on our team with Coffee and Robinson. We need a speedy RB to stretch the field.

The rest I like. Solid picks that address areas of need on our team.

Originally posted by GEEK:
First off, props on the creative mock. In theory, the Holmgren/McCloughan combo makes sense on many levels if Holmgren wants a front office position.

But I don't think its feasible implement WCO plays in a Coryell system. Hostler tried doing that in 2007, and he was fired because the offense sucked monkey balls.

I think signing all those free agents are not realistic for the following reasons:

- Mankins will be a RFA (if the CBA isn't renewed), and you can bet your ass the Patriots will offer him the highest tender.

- Unless Singletary wants to move Goldson to SS, I don't think Goldson has done anything to warrant him to be replaced. Mind you, he also won't have 6 credited seasons to test free agency openly (CBA issue again).

- More than anything, I think Lance Moore is the product of the Saints system and would falter in an offensive structure such as ours. Unless there's a Fitzgerald type WR on the market, I don't expect making a run for Lance Moore, who'd cost about the same as Arnaz Battle (at least).

I wouldn't be opposed to the Kolb trade (as it would remind me somewhat of the Schaub trade the Texans made), I wonder how committed the Eagles are with McNabb. If they fail the make the post season, you could see McNabb jettisoned in favor for Kolb. With a weak crop of QBs in free agency and the draft, I think the Eagles hang out to Kolb.

I love the trade down and Brandon Graham pick. We finally get a legit pass rusher on our team.

I don't think Charles Brown makes it that far. I see him going ahead of Trent Williams now. Hell, we could select him at #10, and put Staley back at RT.

I honestly feel that Gerhart is not a good fit for our team. We already have physical running backs on our team with Coffee and Robinson. We need a speedy RB to stretch the field.

The rest I like. Solid picks that address areas of need on our team.

Didn't realize Mankins is a restricted FA. That clearly changes things. Thanks for pointing this out.

As for the WCO and Coryell system, I didn't really suggest mixing them. I don't think we have a system at all right now. I think we can have a more WCO oriented system while still having a physical offense than Singletary covets.

I agree about Lance Moore, and if you notice, I listed him as a backup and put him last on our depth chart. i dont see him as more than a #5 on any team, and that's where i believe he'll be ranked in Free Agency.

Finally, I definitely do like Goldson, just think he can easily cover the SS position. In fact, I think this is a better fit for him.

As a Michigan fan, I am in love with Brandon Graham.....Kid is a stud. The Wolverines produce quality LBs as of late.

No offense but, thank god you aren't our GM.

1. A Top 10 pick for (as you said it) an unproven QB. So what happens if Kolb sucks? You just set this franchise back even further. I'd use this 1st rounder on the best OL prospect available or Berry if he is available.

2. You are looking to trade away our best OLB, for you don't know what?

3, Holmgren? Have you seen his past drafts? This guy is so overrated. There is a thread somewhere in the zone which lists all his picks. Look for it. If you still want him after seeing that list, then ....

Originally posted by kronik:
No offense but, thank god you aren't our GM.

1. A Top 10 pick for (as you said it) an unproven QB. So what happens if Kolb sucks? You just set this franchise back even further. I'd use this 1st rounder on the best OL prospect available or Berry if he is available.

2. You are looking to trade away our best OLB, for you don't know what?

3, Holmgren? Have you seen his past drafts? This guy is so overrated. There is a thread somewhere in the zone which lists all his picks. Look for it. If you still want him after seeing that list, then ....

1. If you get a QB with a draft pick he is unproven. Are you suggesting that spending a top pick on a QB doesn't pay off? Can I ask, how do you suggest we address the glaring glaring glaring hole at QB?

2. Manny Lawson is our best OLB? I mean, what? We need a guy to get close to or more than 10 sacks per season, lawson hasn't had that many in 4 years. I realize that forgetting to mention him is a huge mistake, and I should just add him to the depth chart, but Manny is simply not a fit here. 3-4 OLB are here to pressure the QB.

3. Holmgren has coached he greatest QBs in history of the game. Noone has coached that great QBs. This makes him crucial to what we need to do.

Originally posted by RollinWith21n52:

Originally posted by GEEK:
First off, props on the creative mock. In theory, the Holmgren/McCloughan combo makes sense on many levels if Holmgren wants a front office position.

But I don't think its feasible implement WCO plays in a Coryell system. Hostler tried doing that in 2007, and he was fired because the offense sucked monkey balls.

I think signing all those free agents are not realistic for the following reasons:

- Mankins will be a RFA (if the CBA isn't renewed), and you can bet your ass the Patriots will offer him the highest tender.

- Unless Singletary wants to move Goldson to SS, I don't think Goldson has done anything to warrant him to be replaced. Mind you, he also won't have 6 credited seasons to test free agency openly (CBA issue again).

- More than anything, I think Lance Moore is the product of the Saints system and would falter in an offensive structure such as ours. Unless there's a Fitzgerald type WR on the market, I don't expect making a run for Lance Moore, who'd cost about the same as Arnaz Battle (at least).

I wouldn't be opposed to the Kolb trade (as it would remind me somewhat of the Schaub trade the Texans made), I wonder how committed the Eagles are with McNabb. If they fail the make the post season, you could see McNabb jettisoned in favor for Kolb. With a weak crop of QBs in free agency and the draft, I think the Eagles hang out to Kolb.

I love the trade down and Brandon Graham pick. We finally get a legit pass rusher on our team.

I don't think Charles Brown makes it that far. I see him going ahead of Trent Williams now. Hell, we could select him at #10, and put Staley back at RT.

I honestly feel that Gerhart is not a good fit for our team. We already have physical running backs on our team with Coffee and Robinson. We need a speedy RB to stretch the field.

The rest I like. Solid picks that address areas of need on our team.

Didn't realize Mankins is a restricted FA. That clearly changes things. Thanks for pointing this out.

As for the WCO and Coryell system, I didn't really suggest mixing them. I don't think we have a system at all right now. I think we can have a more WCO oriented system while still having a physical offense than Singletary covets.

I agree about Lance Moore, and if you notice, I listed him as a backup and put him last on our depth chart. i dont see him as more than a #5 on any team, and that's where i believe he'll be ranked in Free Agency.

Finally, I definitely do like Goldson, just think he can easily cover the SS position. In fact, I think this is a better fit for him.

Specifically about Lance Moore, if he isn't going to get a big difference of money in free agency or resigning with the Saints, I think he'll remain with the Saints since the offense utilizes him.

lol at Haralson over Manny. The rest is solid but the iffy CBA situation complicates things.

i would kill myself if we EVER gave up a top 10 pick for Kolb. infact, i would be pissed if we gave up anything over a 4th round pick for him. that is absolutely ridiculous.

people don't get the eagles system. AJ feely, koy detmer, etc etc. they are a product of andy reids system. kolb is a garbage qb and he will NEVER make it as a full time starter in the NFL. and you can take that to the bank.

some of you scare me with these trade proposals and who you want to acquire

Originally posted by kronik:
No offense but, thank god you aren't our GM.

1. A Top 10 pick for (as you said it) an unproven QB. So what happens if Kolb sucks? You just set this franchise back even further. I'd use this 1st rounder on the best OL prospect available or Berry if he is available.

2. You are looking to trade away our best OLB, for you don't know what?

3, Holmgren? Have you seen his past drafts? This guy is so overrated. There is a thread somewhere in the zone which lists all his picks. Look for it. If you still want him after seeing that list, then ....

i agree dont like any of the moves

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

Originally posted by kronik:
No offense but, thank god you aren't our GM.

1. A Top 10 pick for (as you said it) an unproven QB. So what happens if Kolb sucks? You just set this franchise back even further. I'd use this 1st rounder on the best OL prospect available or Berry if he is available.

2. You are looking to trade away our best OLB, for you don't know what?

3, Holmgren? Have you seen his past drafts? This guy is so overrated. There is a thread somewhere in the zone which lists all his picks. Look for it. If you still want him after seeing that list, then ....

i agree dont like any of the moves

+1

They are not spending a top ten pick on Kolb, that could very well be the f**kup of the century. Their 1st pick should be spent on a o-lineman. Their second pick in the 1st round should be spent on an OLB, and their 2nd round pick should be another o-lineman. The offensive line is a bigger problem than QB right now IMO.

While I like Atogwe, the fact that he's banging Sing's daughter could be a conflict of interest at some point and the press would eat that alive. Doubt it would work out, unless Atogwe would agree to put his career before his johnson.

1. We don't run a WCO
2. Gerhart will in no way shape or form be available in the 4th round, I will put money on it.
3. Manny is Money!, if you can't see that it's a shame for you. You should consider watching the niners play and see what he brings to the team. and Haralson is garbage.