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The main reason juniors will declare is because the threat of a possible work stoppage after next year. That would mean college players who havn't recieved big pay days will want to earn money. Therefore, I expect almost all the juniors who would be taken early rounds 1-3 will declare or face possibly not being paid the following year.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
How about John Jerry RT from Mississippi? He's Peria Jerry's brother and played OG last seaon. He was named SEC lineman of the week a couple of weeks ago and is currently projected to be a 3rd-4th rounder. He's 6'5, 350 and strong. He broke the Ole Miss lifting record with 34 reps at 225 lbs. NFLDraftScout.com compares him to Leonard Davis.

I didn't include him because I felt he was already widely recognized on this board, even up to last year a few of us has been discussing him coming up to this season. He's a very good prospect that I would love to have in San Francisco, especially if he can continue that success. All in all, I think he still moves back to guard in the NFL. His massive size and strength are fantastic, but I'm just not sure he'll be able to have as much success at right in the NFL than he could as an OG.


I started following him last year but I hadn't seen him discussed much in the draft room. I'd love to see him here too . . . like you primarily as a guard.

Waddya think of Jason Fox from Miami?

I want to jump in and add to OTC's comments. Fox has the highest blocking grade of any lineman in this draft, to my knowledge. NFL Draft Scout listed his grade by the Miami coaches in 2007 at 96 percent, which is absolutely phenomenal, off the charts. He graded out at 97 last year.

Fox also graded out at 99 percent against the nation's number one run defense (Oklahoma) earlier this year, and was the Week 5 ACC Lineman of the Week.

Right now, few scouts are discussing him as a first rounder, but I'd have him right in the mix to be a top 20-25 draftee. Good size and mobility.

Thanks to you both. I watched Fox pretty closely against Oklahoma and he looked smooth as hell. Very impressive.
Originally posted by 9rFan84:
OTC, despite what program the kid plays for, with numbers like that wouldn't Freddy Barnes automatically jump into the first round of the draft?? I mean that is ridiculous and unheard of. How many times has any other reciever in college posted season stats like that and not have been selected in the first 2 rounds?

It happens all the time, guys like Danny Woodhead (2200+ rushing yards, albeit in DII or DIII I believe, can't remember which level Chadron St. is in) who put up amazing numbers go late because they lack something that the 1st day talents have.

While Barnes is putting up freakish numbers, if you've watched him play, you can't help but notice the guy is quite slow. If you've seen Isaac Bruce run lately, picture that kind of speed. Secondly, he's not particularly big or strong, at only 6-1 205. Lastly, while his touchdown numbers are high, they are not freakishly high. Then you can tack on his competition.

All this put together tells you that Barnes is a guy who MAY be something special, but most likely will wind up just being a possession receiver because at the very least, you're getting great hands and exceptional route-running from him, but other players' "superior" athleticism will likely stand out more, even if they produce less.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
The main reason juniors will declare is because the threat of a possible work stoppage after next year. That would mean college players who havn't recieved big pay days will want to earn money. Therefore, I expect almost all the juniors who would be taken early rounds 1-3 will declare or face possibly not being paid the following year.

That should help us out in the draft for sure.
So we are now up to Bulaga, Williams, Brown, and Fox as potential OTs and Lupati as a potentail OG. Then we have Hughes and Graham as OLB/DEs. Then there is Cody and Suh as NTs. Who can we realistically get to in the first two rounds? Obviously we can get to 3 of the OTs, maybe the OG, and possibly Hughes, Graham, and Cody. We know that Berry/Suh/Bulaga would be nice but is it realistic? We know we need Oline help bad, we also need someone like Spiller for WR, and punt returns. So who is the Best player available for our first three picks?
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I felt I should discuss at least few players that are playing very, very well right now -- players going unnoticed that are flying under the radar -- that I believe deserve some major recognition for what they're accomplishing right now.


QB Bill Stull, 6-3 215 4.86, Pittsburgh
Stull is much improved from last year and currently has put up 1654 passing yards with 16 TDs to only 4 INTs, while adding 1 Rushing touchdown. Possessing adequate size and mobility, Stull -- while he doesn't have a rocket arm -- throws with nice touch and accuracy on his passes. He has quietly led Pitt to 7-1 record so far this season.

WR Freddie Barnes, 6-1 206 4.65, Bowling Green
Say what you wish about his forty time, the man has been absolutely on fire this year. Eight games through the season he already has surpassed 1000 yards. His current totals on the year? How about 99 receptions for 1054 yards and 9 TDs. That's not a typo. He has NINETY NINE catches. That means he's averaging over 12 catches per game and 1 TD per game. Just to add.. He's also ran for 30 yards and 1 TD this year. His best performance so far was a 22 catch, 278 yard, 3 TD performance against Kent St. (BGU won 36-35). His 22 catches were 1 less than the NCAA record. He leads the NCAA in catches and nobody is even close to him, and I seriously down anyone will catch up to Barnes. Even with teams double-teaming him now, he can't be stopped. While Barnes lacks speed, his precise route-running, strength after the catch, and terrific hands make him someone who has to be drafted in April -- at least late -- despite the lack of speed and less-recognized program he's in.

DE/OLB Arthur Moats, 6-0 250 4.58, James Madison
This kid has had a sack and a tackle for loss in every single game this season except for one (a 35-38 loss to Maryland) and has really turned some heads after his marked improvement this season. Last year he finished with 8 sacks; This year he already has 7 to go along with 17.5 Tackles For Loss and 1 FF. Moats does not have great size and will probably measure in at around 5-11, but his 4.5-4.6 speed and high motor, much like Elvis Dumervil, make him one of the best players in the FCS and a player to keep your eyes on in the later rounds when looking at developmental pass-rushers.

SS Kyle McCarthy, 6-0 210 4.58, Notre Dame
While not from a lesser known program in the least, McCarthy has quietly been an outstanding performer this year, and with his continued success, I can see him rising very quickly up the boards into early day two. One of the most sure tacklers you might ever see and extremely underrated in coverage, he already has 5 interceptions this year, 1 TFL, and 3 Pass break-ups. McCarthy is one player in particular that I really hope the 49ers have their eyes on and possibly would draft in 2010.

I really like that kid from James Madison Arthur Moats if you guys have not see this kid play you guys should pay attention he is a playmaker. Won't go high cause he is not expose to television but love how he plays.
Originally posted by LBSI9ers:
The main reason juniors will declare is because the threat of a possible work stoppage after next year. That would mean college players who havn't recieved big pay days will want to earn money. Therefore, I expect almost all the juniors who would be taken early rounds 1-3 will declare or face possibly not being paid the following year.

just as an important reason that many juniors will come out for 2010 draft is the real possibility of their being a rookie salary cap in 2011
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by 9rFan84:
OTC, despite what program the kid plays for, with numbers like that wouldn't Freddy Barnes automatically jump into the first round of the draft?? I mean that is ridiculous and unheard of. How many times has any other reciever in college posted season stats like that and not have been selected in the first 2 rounds?

It happens all the time, guys like Danny Woodhead (2200+ rushing yards, albeit in DII or DIII I believe, can't remember which level Chadron St. is in) who put up amazing numbers go late because they lack something that the 1st day talents have.

While Barnes is putting up freakish numbers, if you've watched him play, you can't help but notice the guy is quite slow. If you've seen Isaac Bruce run lately, picture that kind of speed. Secondly, he's not particularly big or strong, at only 6-1 205. Lastly, while his touchdown numbers are high, they are not freakishly high. Then you can tack on his competition.

All this put together tells you that Barnes is a guy who MAY be something special, but most likely will wind up just being a possession receiver because at the very least, you're getting great hands and exceptional route-running from him, but other players' "superior" athleticism will likely stand out more, even if they produce less.

Well put, thanks OTC
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
So we are now up to Bulaga, Williams, Brown, and Fox as potential OTs and Lupati as a potentail OG. Then we have Hughes and Graham as OLB/DEs. Then there is Cody and Suh as NTs. Who can we realistically get to in the first two rounds? Obviously we can get to 3 of the OTs, maybe the OG, and possibly Hughes, Graham, and Cody. We know that Berry/Suh/Bulaga would be nice but is it realistic? We know we need Oline help bad, we also need someone like Spiller for WR, and punt returns. So who is the Best player available for our first three picks?

Truth is, we'll have a lot of options -- We should feel good knowing that although we don't know who we'll get, we're going to get a good, and likely special two players with our two first this upcoming 2010 draft. (That is, if we keep both those picks). Knowing that we have so many needs we could address means whoever we do grab, it's going to be a BPA at a position of need. I'd really only be upset if Scott drafted a TE or QB in the first. #1 because I don't really like any of the QB's enough and like what I see in Nate Davis, and #2 is self explanatory -- we don't need a TE. At all.

As far as who are the best three? Well that's hard to say right now. Landing a combination of Williams, Iupati, and B.Graham would be sensational, though.

And by the way, it's actually spelled "Iupati" -- but no worries, I've caught myself accidentally writing it with an "L" sometimes, too.

Originally posted by 9rFan84:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by 9rFan84:
OTC, despite what program the kid plays for, with numbers like that wouldn't Freddy Barnes automatically jump into the first round of the draft?? I mean that is ridiculous and unheard of. How many times has any other reciever in college posted season stats like that and not have been selected in the first 2 rounds?

It happens all the time, guys like Danny Woodhead (2200+ rushing yards, albeit in DII or DIII I believe, can't remember which level Chadron St. is in) who put up amazing numbers go late because they lack something that the 1st day talents have.

While Barnes is putting up freakish numbers, if you've watched him play, you can't help but notice the guy is quite slow. If you've seen Isaac Bruce run lately, picture that kind of speed. Secondly, he's not particularly big or strong, at only 6-1 205. Lastly, while his touchdown numbers are high, they are not freakishly high. Then you can tack on his competition.

All this put together tells you that Barnes is a guy who MAY be something special, but most likely will wind up just being a possession receiver because at the very least, you're getting great hands and exceptional route-running from him, but other players' "superior" athleticism will likely stand out more, even if they produce less.

Well put, thanks OTC

No problem, and thanks.
[ Edited by OnTheClock on Oct 30, 2009 at 7:29 PM ]
Are Graham and Hughes second round picks? I would really like to see the oline and pass rush settled in the draft. However, I would hate to miss out on Cody, Suh, or Spiller. So as usual we will be all wired up until the draft itself. So best player available except QB and TE
i have been impressed with florida wr riley cooper---he is really strong and physical, and shows hands to make the tough catch...reminds me a bit of former niners wr dwight clark....however, if niners add to the receiver corp I would rather see them go for a speedy wideout as opposed to a possession receiver
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Are Graham and Hughes second round picks? I would really like to see the oline and pass rush settled in the draft. However, I would hate to miss out on Cody, Suh, or Spiller. So as usual we will be all wired up until the draft itself. So best player available except QB and TE

Graham and Hughes are playing like first rounders right now, and it's really hard to say, but right now I'd peg them as 1sts because they fall among the top pass-rushers in the league right now. Graham is top 3. Hughes closer to top five among the likes of Sapp, Hardy, Norwood, and Graham.

Originally posted by hofer36:
i have been impressed with florida wr riley cooper---he is really strong and physical, and shows hands to make the tough catch...reminds me a bit of former niners wr dwight clark....however, if niners add to the receiver corp I would rather see them go for a speedy wideout as opposed to a possession receiver

As would I. While Shipley would be a nice addition there, I don't think we'll pull the trigger with more pressing needs. We'll probably go after a guy like that later on or in UDFA.
Great job, OTC.
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
So we are now up to Bulaga, Williams, Brown, and Fox as potential OTs and Lupati as a potentail OG. Then we have Hughes and Graham as OLB/DEs. Then there is Cody and Suh as NTs. Who can we realistically get to in the first two rounds? Obviously we can get to 3 of the OTs, maybe the OG, and possibly Hughes, Graham, and Cody. We know that Berry/Suh/Bulaga would be nice but is it realistic? We know we need Oline help bad, we also need someone like Spiller for WR, and punt returns. So who is the Best player available for our first three picks?

If I was a betting man, I'd guess the Niners would select the best OT on the board with our highest pick (I still think it will be Carolina's pick in the 7-12 area). With the Niners' pick (my prediction somewhere in the 15-18th overall area) the team would grab the best pass rushing OLB on the board, and in the second round, the team would select either a guard or WR/CB with kick return abilities. A player like Jordan Shipley could be a candidate since he would be our slot receiver, and handle PR duties from Day One.
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
So we are now up to Bulaga, Williams, Brown, and Fox as potential OTs and Lupati as a potentail OG. Then we have Hughes and Graham as OLB/DEs. Then there is Cody and Suh as NTs. Who can we realistically get to in the first two rounds? Obviously we can get to 3 of the OTs, maybe the OG, and possibly Hughes, Graham, and Cody. We know that Berry/Suh/Bulaga would be nice but is it realistic? We know we need Oline help bad, we also need someone like Spiller for WR, and punt returns. So who is the Best player available for our first three picks?

If I was a betting man, I'd guess the Niners would select the best OT on the board with our highest pick (I still think it will be Carolina's pick in the 7-12 area). With the Niners' pick (my prediction somewhere in the 15-18th overall area) the team would grab the best pass rushing OLB on the board, and in the second round, the team would select either a guard or WR/CB with kick return abilities. A player like Jordan Shipley could be a candidate since he would be our slot receiver, and handle PR duties from Day One.

So that could be Brown as the OT, Hughes as the OLB in the 1st round and then Shipley in the second and then best OG or OT left in the third? Do you think that we would profit by drafting Cody as BPA after an OT? I think we also need another OG and maybe another OT or Center for I am not sold on Wallace. I think we need another LB and of course SS, FS, RB. We certainly need a kick returner and always another CB if available.