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I'm in an NL only Keeper League (I can keep 5)

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Id take jay bruce over chris young everytime. Bruce should be your 5th keeper

lol what?? how so? For fantasy Young is much more valuable. Last year he proved that. 90+ rbis, 90+ Runs, 30 hr, 30 sb. His avg isn't that great, but a 4 cat guy is big. Bruce doesn't do anything incredibly well. .280 avg, 25 hr, 70 RBI, 80 r, under 5 SB. Fantasy wise he's not that valuable. He's got power potential, but youngs a 30/30 threat.

Lets see. ESPN, RotoWire, MLB all have Bruce ranked ahead of Young. Bruce has a better lifetime BA, OPS, OBA, and a better lineup and park to hit in. I like his upside more and I guess most people who do this for a living agree.

theyre both ranked around the same area. OPS and OBA arent fantasy stats unless youre in a saber league. the cats that matter are R, RBI, HR, AVG, and SB. Young is better than Bruce in this format, and its pretty clear.

Acutally... those sites rank the players on a 5x5 format and all have Bruce ranked higher. I'm guessing its because they all feel, like I do, that Jay Bruce has the bigger upside.

when you have a guy whos proven he can score 90+, drive in 90+, hit 25-30 jacks, steals 25-30 bases, and hit for an avg thats tolerable as long as hes got power/speed production, hes going to be more valuable than a guy whos proven nothing more than being able to hit for some power and bring his avg up to .280. and both play in hitters parks.

btw the "people who do this for a living" are just guessing the same as everyone else is. unless they have the ability to predict the future, theyre just taking educated stabs in the dark. if you asked any of them "could you see Chris Young being a more valuable fantasy players than Jay Bruce?" every single one would say "of course i could see that."

i personally think Chris Youngs 30 hr/30 sb potential puts him in a class above Bruce. i need to see Bruce put together a great fantasy season before he moves up.

You would be wrong but you should be used to that by now. By the way, I think Young is a solid fantasy player. Just playing with you. I like Bruce more but I can see your point if you want a guy with power AND speed.

lol hey now, i wasnt the one who predicted less than 80 wins for the Giants this time last season. i wish Stoney had left the old thread up for reference. there was some funny stuff said in there by everyone when you looked back.

but anyways, in fantasy i always value power/speed guys the most since theyre rare. Bruce has quite a bit of upside too, but i feel like since the could both hit 30 hr, could both drive in 100 runs, and could both score 90 runs, the only differences is Chris Young is going to hit around .260-.270 with 30 steals and Bruce is going to hit .280-.290 with 3-5 steals. that 10-20 pt avg gap to me is nowhere near as valuable is the 25 steal gap.
[ Edited by Niners99 on Mar 7, 2011 at 1:01 PM ]
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Id take jay bruce over chris young everytime. Bruce should be your 5th keeper

lol what?? how so? For fantasy Young is much more valuable. Last year he proved that. 90+ rbis, 90+ Runs, 30 hr, 30 sb. His avg isn't that great, but a 4 cat guy is big. Bruce doesn't do anything incredibly well. .280 avg, 25 hr, 70 RBI, 80 r, under 5 SB. Fantasy wise he's not that valuable. He's got power potential, but youngs a 30/30 threat.

Lets see. ESPN, RotoWire, MLB all have Bruce ranked ahead of Young. Bruce has a better lifetime BA, OPS, OBA, and a better lineup and park to hit in. I like his upside more and I guess most people who do this for a living agree.

theyre both ranked around the same area. OPS and OBA arent fantasy stats unless youre in a saber league. the cats that matter are R, RBI, HR, AVG, and SB. Young is better than Bruce in this format, and its pretty clear.

Acutally... those sites rank the players on a 5x5 format and all have Bruce ranked higher. I'm guessing its because they all feel, like I do, that Jay Bruce has the bigger upside.

when you have a guy whos proven he can score 90+, drive in 90+, hit 25-30 jacks, steals 25-30 bases, and hit for an avg thats tolerable as long as hes got power/speed production, hes going to be more valuable than a guy whos proven nothing more than being able to hit for some power and bring his avg up to .280. and both play in hitters parks.

btw the "people who do this for a living" are just guessing the same as everyone else is. unless they have the ability to predict the future, theyre just taking educated stabs in the dark. if you asked any of them "could you see Chris Young being a more valuable fantasy players than Jay Bruce?" every single one would say "of course i could see that."

i personally think Chris Youngs 30 hr/30 sb potential puts him in a class above Bruce. i need to see Bruce put together a great fantasy season before he moves up.

You would be wrong but you should be used to that by now. By the way, I think Young is a solid fantasy player. Just playing with you. I like Bruce more but I can see your point if you want a guy with power AND speed.

lol hey now, i wasnt the one who predicted less than 80 wins for the Giants this time last season. i wish Stoney had left the old thread up for reference. there was some funny stuff said in there by everyone when you looked back.

but anyways, in fantasy i always value power/speed guys the most since theyre rare. Bruce has quite a bit of upside too, but i feel like since the could both hit 30 hr, could both drive in 100 runs, and could both score 90 runs, the only differences is Chris Young is going to hit around .260-.270 with 30 steals and Bruce is going to hit .280-.290 with 3-5 steals. that 10-20 pt avg gap to me is nowhere near as valuable is the 25 steal gap.

You cant be talking about me because I predicted 83-79.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Id take jay bruce over chris young everytime. Bruce should be your 5th keeper

lol what?? how so? For fantasy Young is much more valuable. Last year he proved that. 90+ rbis, 90+ Runs, 30 hr, 30 sb. His avg isn't that great, but a 4 cat guy is big. Bruce doesn't do anything incredibly well. .280 avg, 25 hr, 70 RBI, 80 r, under 5 SB. Fantasy wise he's not that valuable. He's got power potential, but youngs a 30/30 threat.

Lets see. ESPN, RotoWire, MLB all have Bruce ranked ahead of Young. Bruce has a better lifetime BA, OPS, OBA, and a better lineup and park to hit in. I like his upside more and I guess most people who do this for a living agree.

theyre both ranked around the same area. OPS and OBA arent fantasy stats unless youre in a saber league. the cats that matter are R, RBI, HR, AVG, and SB. Young is better than Bruce in this format, and its pretty clear.

Acutally... those sites rank the players on a 5x5 format and all have Bruce ranked higher. I'm guessing its because they all feel, like I do, that Jay Bruce has the bigger upside.

when you have a guy whos proven he can score 90+, drive in 90+, hit 25-30 jacks, steals 25-30 bases, and hit for an avg thats tolerable as long as hes got power/speed production, hes going to be more valuable than a guy whos proven nothing more than being able to hit for some power and bring his avg up to .280. and both play in hitters parks.

btw the "people who do this for a living" are just guessing the same as everyone else is. unless they have the ability to predict the future, theyre just taking educated stabs in the dark. if you asked any of them "could you see Chris Young being a more valuable fantasy players than Jay Bruce?" every single one would say "of course i could see that."

i personally think Chris Youngs 30 hr/30 sb potential puts him in a class above Bruce. i need to see Bruce put together a great fantasy season before he moves up.

You would be wrong but you should be used to that by now. By the way, I think Young is a solid fantasy player. Just playing with you. I like Bruce more but I can see your point if you want a guy with power AND speed.

lol hey now, i wasnt the one who predicted less than 80 wins for the Giants this time last season. i wish Stoney had left the old thread up for reference. there was some funny stuff said in there by everyone when you looked back.

but anyways, in fantasy i always value power/speed guys the most since theyre rare. Bruce has quite a bit of upside too, but i feel like since the could both hit 30 hr, could both drive in 100 runs, and could both score 90 runs, the only differences is Chris Young is going to hit around .260-.270 with 30 steals and Bruce is going to hit .280-.290 with 3-5 steals. that 10-20 pt avg gap to me is nowhere near as valuable is the 25 steal gap.

You cant be talking about me because I predicted 83-79.

well someone predicted like mid 70's for wins. i know you were talking about regression from the 88 wins the season before. lol see, now that thread is gone so theres no proof. frickin stoney....couldnt have just locked it.

anyways, both players have risks. Ive owned Jay Bruce before, and he can be frustrating. alot of talent and power, but fantasy wise is nothing special until he starts driving in more runs. even so, a 30 hr, 100 rbi, .280 OF in 5x5 fantasy leagues is solid, but not special., and thats about Bruces ceiling right now.

Youngs speed shoots his value through the roof imo. remember he had some high expectations a couple years back, and had a bad slump in 2009. last year he burst back onto the map, so potentially he could become great value for where hes going in drafts. theres just the risk he has another down year.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Id take jay bruce over chris young everytime. Bruce should be your 5th keeper

lol what?? how so? For fantasy Young is much more valuable. Last year he proved that. 90+ rbis, 90+ Runs, 30 hr, 30 sb. His avg isn't that great, but a 4 cat guy is big. Bruce doesn't do anything incredibly well. .280 avg, 25 hr, 70 RBI, 80 r, under 5 SB. Fantasy wise he's not that valuable. He's got power potential, but youngs a 30/30 threat.

Lets see. ESPN, RotoWire, MLB all have Bruce ranked ahead of Young. Bruce has a better lifetime BA, OPS, OBA, and a better lineup and park to hit in. I like his upside more and I guess most people who do this for a living agree.

theyre both ranked around the same area. OPS and OBA arent fantasy stats unless youre in a saber league. the cats that matter are R, RBI, HR, AVG, and SB. Young is better than Bruce in this format, and its pretty clear.

Acutally... those sites rank the players on a 5x5 format and all have Bruce ranked higher. I'm guessing its because they all feel, like I do, that Jay Bruce has the bigger upside.

when you have a guy whos proven he can score 90+, drive in 90+, hit 25-30 jacks, steals 25-30 bases, and hit for an avg thats tolerable as long as hes got power/speed production, hes going to be more valuable than a guy whos proven nothing more than being able to hit for some power and bring his avg up to .280. and both play in hitters parks.

btw the "people who do this for a living" are just guessing the same as everyone else is. unless they have the ability to predict the future, theyre just taking educated stabs in the dark. if you asked any of them "could you see Chris Young being a more valuable fantasy players than Jay Bruce?" every single one would say "of course i could see that."

i personally think Chris Youngs 30 hr/30 sb potential puts him in a class above Bruce. i need to see Bruce put together a great fantasy season before he moves up.

You would be wrong but you should be used to that by now. By the way, I think Young is a solid fantasy player. Just playing with you. I like Bruce more but I can see your point if you want a guy with power AND speed.

lol hey now, i wasnt the one who predicted less than 80 wins for the Giants this time last season. i wish Stoney had left the old thread up for reference. there was some funny stuff said in there by everyone when you looked back.

but anyways, in fantasy i always value power/speed guys the most since theyre rare. Bruce has quite a bit of upside too, but i feel like since the could both hit 30 hr, could both drive in 100 runs, and could both score 90 runs, the only differences is Chris Young is going to hit around .260-.270 with 30 steals and Bruce is going to hit .280-.290 with 3-5 steals. that 10-20 pt avg gap to me is nowhere near as valuable is the 25 steal gap.

You cant be talking about me because I predicted 83-79.

well someone predicted like mid 70's for wins. i know you were talking about regression from the 88 wins the season before. lol see, now that thread is gone so theres no proof. frickin stoney....couldnt have just locked it.

anyways, both players have risks. Ive owned Jay Bruce before, and he can be frustrating. alot of talent and power, but fantasy wise is nothing special until he starts driving in more runs. even so, a 30 hr, 100 rbi, .280 OF in 5x5 fantasy leagues is solid, but not special., and thats about Bruces ceiling right now.

Youngs speed shoots his value through the roof imo. remember he had some high expectations a couple years back, and had a bad slump in 2009. last year he burst back onto the map, so potentially he could become great value for where hes going in drafts. theres just the risk he has another down year.

It is too bad we dont have the thread. We could go back at all those months where you said the Giants couldnt beat anyone with a winning record. LOL. I dont get why Stoney has the power to delete a thread. I dont see that he is a Mod.
  • crzy
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Jay Bruce and Drew Stubbs are both > Chris Young
[ Edited by crzy on Mar 8, 2011 at 10:42 AM ]
Well I literally flipped a coin and I'm keeping Chris Young.
Originally posted by crzy:
Jay Bruce and Drew Stubbs are both > Chris Young

how so?
  • crzy
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Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by crzy:
Jay Bruce and Drew Stubbs are both > Chris Young

how so?

Stubbs is a 25-30 threat who will likely hit leadoff in a much better Reds offense.

Not to mention, Stubbs has a far greater ceiling, considering last year was only the first year he was an everyday player.

I'm not big on Chris Young or his abysmal contact rate. Stubbs has a low contact rate as well, but again he's only in his second full season, so at least there's a chance of improvement, while Young is already established and entering his 5th year.
  • crzy
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Originally posted by Muggins879:
Well I literally flipped a coin and I'm keeping Chris Young.

I think you will regret this.

Young will regress.
Originally posted by crzy:
Originally posted by AllTimeGreat:
Originally posted by crzy:
Jay Bruce and Drew Stubbs are both > Chris Young

how so?

Stubbs is a 25-30 threat who will likely hit leadoff in a much better Reds offense.

Not to mention, Stubbs has a far greater ceiling, considering last year was only the first year he was an everyday player.

I'm not big on Chris Young or his abysmal contact rate. Stubbs has a low contact rate as well, but again he's only in his second full season, so at least there's a chance of improvement, while Young is already established and entering his 5th year.

The guy is only 1 year older than Stubbs and is still improving, as evidenced by his increased walk rate and decreased strikeout rate. Just because he;s been in the league 4 years already doesn't mean he's not going to develop anymore. The league will make adjustments to Stubbs and he isn't necessarily going to be able to adjust as well, while Chris Young has had initial sucess, struggled and come back stronger than ever.

You're saying Stubbs could do something that Chris Young has already pretty much proven to be able to do. Given the fact that Young has more of track record than Stubbs also makes him a safer pick as well.
  • jimrat
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Who did you keep because Jay Bruce is on fire right now!
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Who did you keep because Jay Bruce is on fire right now!

LOL Well some of us LOVED him and thought he was a better choice than Chris Young. Young is just awful right now and Bruce is a stud. Hey Niners99.. what say you????
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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Who did you keep because Jay Bruce is on fire right now!

LOL Well some of us LOVED him and thought he was a better choice than Chris Young. Young is just awful right now and Bruce is a stud. Hey Niners99.. what say you????

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Who did you keep because Jay Bruce is on fire right now!

LOL Well some of us LOVED him and thought he was a better choice than Chris Young. Young is just awful right now and Bruce is a stud. Hey Niners99.. what say you????

i was wrong on Bruce, i admit it. he took the step i didnt think he could, and has been consistently more disciplined at the plate. for a while he was looking like one of those kids that relied on his power too much, and was swinging for homers every time up.

However....Young isnt getting on base, but his BABIP has been really low at .263, and hes still producing. i wouldnt call his 2011 season "awful" by any means. still on pace for around 27 hr, 90 rbis, 16 sb, 100 r, and 45 doubles. still a quality fantasy option nonetheless.

we will see how the rest of the season plays out, but its still possible they end the season at a similar WAR. Young being at 1.4 and Bruce 1.9 thus far.

lol i knew John would try and bust my balls over this if Bruce was looking good.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by jimrat201:
Who did you keep because Jay Bruce is on fire right now!

LOL Well some of us LOVED him and thought he was a better choice than Chris Young. Young is just awful right now and Bruce is a stud. Hey Niners99.. what say you????

i was wrong on Bruce, i admit it. he took the step i didnt think he could, and has been consistently more disciplined at the plate. for a while he was looking like one of those kids that relied on his power too much, and was swinging for homers every time up.

However....Young isnt getting on base, but his BABIP has been really low at .263, and hes still producing. i wouldnt call his 2011 season "awful" by any means. still on pace for around 27 hr, 90 rbis, 16 sb, 100 r, and 45 doubles. still a quality fantasy option nonetheless.

we will see how the rest of the season plays out, but its still possible they end the season at a similar WAR. Young being at 1.4 and Bruce 1.9 thus far.

lol i knew John would try and bust my balls over this if Bruce was looking good.

Like you wouldn't have done the same if Young was outplaying Bruce

Y'all just can't help but bust each other's balls