2025 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Kent long overdue for the HOF

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its hard to even feel happy for him when the only reason he even had a chance at the HOF is because the guy the voters are keeping out protected him in the lineup.

Kind of a disservice Kent. He was a great player

Never said he wasnt. Just is hard to feel happy and celebrate him going to the Hall when Bonds is repeatedly kept out for petty reasons.

Im sorry but cheating with steroids is hardly a "petty reason ". Bonds did this to himself. As did Clemens

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its hard to even feel happy for him when the only reason he even had a chance at the HOF is because the guy the voters are keeping out protected him in the lineup.

Kind of a disservice Kent. He was a great player

Never said he wasnt. Just is hard to feel happy and celebrate him going to the Hall when Bonds is repeatedly kept out for petty reasons.

Im sorry but cheating with steroids is hardly a "petty reason ". Bonds did this to himself. As did Clemens

"He cheated" stopped being a reasonable excuse when David Ortiz and Ivan Rodriguez were inducted.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its hard to even feel happy for him when the only reason he even had a chance at the HOF is because the guy the voters are keeping out protected him in the lineup.

Kind of a disservice Kent. He was a great player

Never said he wasnt. Just is hard to feel happy and celebrate him going to the Hall when Bonds is repeatedly kept out for petty reasons.

Im sorry but cheating with steroids is hardly a "petty reason ". Bonds did this to himself. As did Clemens

Ortiz, Piazza, Bagwell, Pudge, and Biggio are in, among others. The steroids element is no longer a relevant argument for not having these guys in. Its purely because they are unliked, and it makes the credibility of the HOF a total joke. Baseball knowingly benefited and profited off the PED's users for 2 decades, and now want to claim the moral high ground. If you're going to list Bonds' career records as official, you aren't allowed to banish him from the Hall. Pick a lane.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its hard to even feel happy for him when the only reason he even had a chance at the HOF is because the guy the voters are keeping out protected him in the lineup.

Kind of a disservice Kent. He was a great player

Never said he wasnt. Just is hard to feel happy and celebrate him going to the Hall when Bonds is repeatedly kept out for petty reasons.

Im sorry but cheating with steroids is hardly a "petty reason ". Bonds did this to himself. As did Clemens

"He cheated" stopped being a reasonable excuse when David Ortiz and Ivan Rodriguez were inducted.

The only reason anyone cared was because of the HR record. It wasn't about getting an edge on the other players. He was already better than most everyone in the league. Nobody cares that NFL players are all juicing. Do you really think those huge sculpted bodies are just from lifting weights?

If Bonds had been the only player using steroids or one of a handful then it might be different but they were rampant in that era. He actually came late to the party if what we heard is true. The league turned their head and looked the other way because McGuire and Sosa were putting fans in the seats with thweur HR assault. The league was hurting after the strike and the game needed a boost.

Read somewhere Buster expects Eldridge and Devers to rotate the DH spot.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Ortiz, Piazza, Bagwell, Pudge, and Biggio are in, among others. The steroids element is no longer a relevant argument for not having these guys in. Its purely because they are unliked, and it makes the credibility of the HOF a total joke. Baseball knowingly benefited and profited off the PED's users for 2 decades, and now want to claim the moral high ground. If you're going to list Bonds' career records as official, you aren't allowed to banish him from the Hall. Pick a lane.

Besides all of the aforementioned hitters being in the HOF, Bonds was a great hitter way before the steroid era. He would have been great without steroids, unlike the likes of Sosa or McGuire. Not only power but great eye at the plate and being all around player. I believe where steroid use greatly benefiting Bonds was not as much at the plate but health wise, e.g. much quicker recoveries from injuries. Remember, the steroid era went into full swing when Bonds was up there in age already. The only reason he is not being voted in is in spite of the voting POSes demanding the "respect and bow" to themselves from the future HOFers while they play. Bonds as we know had rightfully effed them off.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Its hard to even feel happy for him when the only reason he even had a chance at the HOF is because the guy the voters are keeping out protected him in the lineup.

Kind of a disservice Kent. He was a great player

Never said he wasnt. Just is hard to feel happy and celebrate him going to the Hall when Bonds is repeatedly kept out for petty reasons.

Im sorry but cheating with steroids is hardly a "petty reason ". Bonds did this to himself. As did Clemens

"He cheated" stopped being a reasonable excuse when David Ortiz and Ivan Rodriguez were inducted.

I truly dont care one way or the other if he makes the HOF or not. Baseball is so f**ked up that it's meaningless to me. Just saying that if Bonds hadn't cheated and hadn't treated media and fans like a jerk he would have been a 1st ballot HOF for sure.

And I see the Dodgers just spent $69 million for a closer. This is why baseball is pretty much dead to me.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I truly dont care one way or the other if he makes the HOF or not. Baseball is so f**ked up that it's meaningless to me. Just saying that if Bonds hadn't cheated and hadn't treated media and fans like a jerk he would have been a 1st ballot HOF for sure.

And I see the Dodgers just spent $69 million for a closer. This is why baseball is pretty much dead to me.

If Bonds didn't use the cream and simply disrespected the media, they would have found the excuse to if not hold him out forever because of his stats, but at least greatly delay his entrance. As much as Kent is deserving of the HOF, his induction before Bonds was as much of the shot at Bonds if not bigger, then Kent induction on his own.
The biggest aspect of voting crap is mostly based on popularity, "obedience" and other civil matters with stats and on the field performances mixed into that. Unless the numbers are so gaudy and / or revolutionized the game in the respected position that it is absolutely impossible to ignore. Thus, the voting crap can greatly manipulate the vote, yes in the similar fashion the Dodgers are now manipulating the game. And until that is allowed, yes, the game is absolutely meaningless. Like the movie you entertain yourself for a couple of hours and then forget about it. The Dodgers can win the next 5 tittles and I would not care one iota. And i hope for the rest of the people around the globe except in Japan and LA. Actually, I hope they win the next 3 titles until it becomes so vomiting and revolting. Then I bet we'll see something done about it.

Interesting tidbit. I just read the very lengthy news and rumors from the winter meeting and not one mention of the Giants in any one of multiple headlines.
That's a deviation from the past probably attributed to Posey. They used to be in the news on every available player, at the end signing crumbs (except last year with Chapman and Adames) Not the superstars and again, they badly needed to cover those positions and the money in were replacing the money out. Not this year and not after Johnson's statement. They can't afford to be boisterous this year, no one will buy it. So they will quietly sign the average to mediocre crumbs after all the dust settles or take the chance on the has beens the likes of Scherzer, praying the lightning strikes one more time, and call it a day.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Read somewhere Buster expects Eldridge and Devers to rotate the DH spot.

Listening to KNBR this morning they were talking about Eldridge as a posible trade for a pitcher. I don't know if Eldridge will ever be a good major league hitter but I don't like the idea of trading their best power hitting prospect for a pitcher. They need pitching but they're a risk. Too many have arm trouble.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Read somewhere Buster expects Eldridge and Devers to rotate the DH spot.

Listening to KNBR this morning they were talking about Eldridge as a posible trade for a pitcher. I don't know if Eldridge will ever be a good major league hitter but I don't like the idea of trading their best power hitting prospect for a pitcher. They need pitching but they're a risk. Too many have arm trouble.

If it aint for Skenes or Skubal or I dont to hear it.

Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Read somewhere Buster expects Eldridge and Devers to rotate the DH spot.

Listening to KNBR this morning they were talking about Eldridge as a posible trade for a pitcher. I don't know if Eldridge will ever be a good major league hitter but I don't like the idea of trading their best power hitting prospect for a pitcher. They need pitching but they're a risk. Too many have arm trouble.

If it aint for Skenes or Skubal or I dont to hear it.

I hear you but even those guys are a risk. Pitchers always are. Onnthe other hand there's no guarantee that Eldridge willl ever be a solid MLB hitter. The last few top prospects that the Giants have had all fizzled or got traded and did very little.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I hear you but even those guys are a risk. Pitchers always are. Onnthe other hand there's no guarantee that Eldridge willl ever be a solid MLB hitter. The last few top prospects that the Giants have had all fizzled or got traded and did very little.

Too early to trade him

Giants had the 12th % chance to the top pick in the draft lottery and are in the top 6!