**UFC/MMA Thread**

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Kolohe, you said you lost all respect for Forrest because he helped throw the fight? If he truly did then shouldn't you lose respect for the UFC as a whole and quit watching? If this fight was fixed then there surely could have been a bunch more in the past that were fixed too.

You see fights get fixed all the time its no secret, we're not blind, and so does every other sport out there. But lke I said, I'm over it, why do you continue to keep pushing the subject on me, its like trying to give a beer to a recovering alcoholic, please stop!!!

It just seems you're hanging out Forrest to dry without any actual proof. If fights are always fixed then why do you continue to watch UFC? What if BJ was part of a fixed fightin the past, Hendo, Couture, Sylvia, etc..

That's all I'm asking.

For one who said fights were always fixed in the UFC?? Don't put words in my mouth.

I loss respect if he did or didn't fix the fight. If he did that's just messed up. If he didn't, then all that training only to give up cause of a short jab and run off like that (when in fact I've seen him take on more damage in past fights). Where's the respect for the fans after running off like that?? Who left who out to dry?? All this speculation on why he ran off, yet no real confirmation??

And I've told you 3 times now, that I'm over it.

You were implying that fights were fixed before in the UFC and all other arenas. I never said that you said that all UFC fights are fixed. C'mon man quit dodging the point.

You're hanging him up to dry no matter what without any confirmation.
Did you lose money on this fight?

We'll know for sure when we hear from him personally whether he actually tapped out or was just putting up his hand to defend himself. Point is he got dropped 3 times prior to that counter strike (ala Chuck Liddell) that knocked him off his feet. Maybe all those prior beatings finally caught up to him. One thing's for sure...his gameplan was an utter fail and Silva toasted him like a contending P4P fighter should.

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It just seems you're hanging out Forrest to dry without any actual proof. If fights are always fixed then why do you continue to watch UFC? What if BJ was part of a fixed fightin the past, Hendo, Couture, Sylvia, etc..

What do you think the bold means?? But what I said was, people think it isn't possible for fights or any other sports to be fixed (reply 4731). Would I stop watching sports as a whole if I knew it was fixed, of course not, its an addiction or we are fanatics. BUT if you could prove that a single person fixed a fight or all his fights, I would stop watching him. For instance, when I was in Vegas for the Tarver vs. Jones 1 fight, the decision on that fight was soooo obvious who won it, then next thing you know Jones is the winner. Tarver dominated Jones that entire fight. After that I stop following Jones as a fan.

As for me hanging Griffin out to dry, didn't my reply or my two reasons before this one make any sense. I gave you a reason if it was fixed and if it wasn't, what aren't you getting??? In the end its my opinion, can I ask why you care so much??

Gotcha...your reasons noted and of course debatable. I guess we'll never know until we hear from Forrest himself. I went back and saw your response where you stated you lost all respect for Forrest as a "fighter". Fixed or not you expected him to go in and take Silva to the ground. I think the last person in a long time to take Silva to the ground was Hendo and Hendo has way more take down ability than Forrest. I think we all tend to forget that Silva also mind f**ked Forrest to hell. I mean offering to help him up after a knockdown. Standing right in front of him with his hands at his hips.

Thanks for going back and recognizing my last reply, sorry I was a bit harsh on the subject. But its just a bit frustrating when your watching that fight with fighters who also have been in competition and they see or say the same thing. Could they or we be wrong, sure, but we will never know. But like I said, I'm over it, the point is that BJ won!!!

And with this outta the way....lets go Carano!!!

Yeah Kolohe...I was just perplexed at the disdain you seemed to be directing towards Forrest fixed accusations aside. But you were disgusted mainly with his gameplan and that's understood and that's where I wasn't clear but am now.

Yeah BJ won and I hope he tears Nightmare a new one. BJ should have no problem defending his title for another 4-6 fights as long as he continues to train like a true champion should.

He'll beat down Sanchez like he did Stevenson. Maybe not as bloody but I see the fight going the same way.

I never saw this until now. It's a month old. But it's Mir's post fight comments after getting beat by Lesnar. He listened to me and is eager for a rematch but is determined to even the playing field by getting to within at least 10 lbs of Brock's weight hehe. From http://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/.



Frank Mir says Brock Lesnar embarrassed his sport -- and embarrassed Mir's children -- by going on a tirade of spit and trash-talking after beating Mir at Saturday's UFC 100.

Mir is already planning to train for a "rubber match" rematch.

And Mir is not impressed that Lesnar later apologized for being a sore winner, since he did so only after UFC head Dana White scolded him for vamping like a WWE wrestler.

Mir tells me: "That's like: You steal a guy's bike, your dad kicks your ass, and then you apologize only because your dad kicked your ass. How genuine is that?"

"I don't buy it," Mir said Sunday, after I called the Vegas native and informed him of Lesnar's apology.

At issue: The UFC is a brutal but gentlemanly sport. Yes, guys pin each other down in a sort of missionary position, then rain down furious fists on bloody faces.

But White, fans and media want winners and losers to be good sports. Usually, they are, since respect is a Zen code in mixed martial arts.

Lesnar, who went from top college wrestler to WWE wrestler to UFC heavyweight champ, broke that code from start to finish.

Lesnar, 32, went into the match with a grudge. Mir, 30, had beat Lesnar in February 2008. On Saturday, Lesnar wouldn't tap gloves with Mir before the bout. That's disrespectful, though Mir calls it "no big deal."

Lesnar beat Mir in two rounds, and Mir gives him props. ("No complaints.")

But once the referee stopped the fight, Lesnar yelled in Mir's bloody face.

"When I stood up, and he's screaming, it took me a few seconds to realize" what Lesnar was doing, Mir says.

Lesnar spit out his mouth guard at a camera. He flipped two birds at the booing crowd. Microphone in hand, he said he wouldn't drink the UFC-sponsored beer because it hadn't paid him money (Lesnar got $3 million for the fight); and he said he'd torn a lucky "horseshoe" out of Mir's butt and "beat the hell out of him with it" (metaphors).

Mir went to a room and saw TV recaps with his kids.

"ESPN showed him spitting and hollering. My children are looking," Mir says. "I'm shaking my head, pointing at my kids and going, 'That's not how you want to do it, guys.'"

Normally, Mir's kids see their dad and his training partner exchange blows but afterward they hug it out.

"They see it as harmless. When it's over, it's over," Mir says. "We're all warriors. Well, some of us are."

Mir reiterates the code of mixed martial arts:

"We'll be cocky," especially before a fight, to help sell it. "If you ever heard any speeches (Bruce Lee) gave, he was a smart ass (before a fight). But at the end of a competition, he would be respectful."

Post-fight, White chided Lesnar privately. Then Lesnar went to a news conference and apologized for being a bad sport, for demeaning the beer sponsor, and for bringing WWE showbiz into the UFC.

"I was so jacked up," Lesnar explained. "The only thing I had against Frank was he beat me" in their previous match.

The apology didn't come fast enough to stop media from painting Lesnar as a super villain of sports.

Some UFC fans previously thought Mir engaged in too much pre-fight trash talk. But Mir says when he beat Lesnar in 2008, he behaved with class.

"I didn't degrade him and say he was an idiot," Mir says. "There was no point to kick the guy while he was down.

"OK, I beat the guy. What, am I going to spit on you, too?"

Mir underestimated Lesnar's weight advantage.

The top-heavy Lesnar is an inch taller, with an arm reach of two inches longer. More important, he had 20 pounds on Mir's lean, 245-pound frame.

"I didn't think it would matter that much," Mir says of Lesnar's heft. (Mir had beefed up with weights, dumbbells, a lot of high reps, cardio and attribute balancing.)

Mir wrongly assumed Lesnar's game plan. Lesnar had trash-talked Mir's standup fight game, so Mir thought Lesnar would fight in standing positions. Not so.

"When he didn't come after me, that really threw me off," Mir says. "He didn't land any punches on his feet, did he?

"I didn't expect him to run," Mir says. "He ran like a lightweight. ... It's my fault. I should have trained that he would be intimidated from the standup" fighting position.

Instead, Lesnar went for pinning Mir on the ground and punching him in the face. Mir knows he got "rocked pretty hard in the first round."

Mir didn't want to lose round two the same way. So he came out swinging and kicking. Lesnar back peddled to avoid hits.

"When I chased him, that's what changed my game plan," Mir says. But, "I basically was (within) a half-an-inch of catching him."

Mir threw a "Joe Frasier" hook, barely grazing Lesnar, he says. Mir caught Lesnar with a knee and elbow, but Lesnar spun away.

In the end, Mir couldn't stop Lesnar from trapping him on the ground, pinning his hands and punching Mir in the face until the fight was stopped.

"I knew he was hurt, but he had good leverage, with my shoulder against the cage," Mir says.

"I made a stupid mistake," Mir says, while saying "my hat's off" to Lesnar and his coaching staff for executing a winning game plan.

"I have a huge lump on my ear where he hit me."

Mir is eager for a rematch. He'd have to beat other fighters to earn another bout with the champ in a year or 18 months, he says.

On Sunday, he felt he'd slept only 20 minutes, pacing through the day, calling his trainer and insisting on getting back to training, doing power lifting to boost his weight and close in on Lesnar.

"If I can just nail that gap to even 10 pounds, it'll be a different fight next time," Mir says.

"Hopefully next time, I'll show him how somebody is supposed to act in victory."

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
He'll beat down Sanchez like he did Stevenson. Maybe not as bloody but I see the fight going the same way.

I dont know man... Diego's cardio is top-notch. Florian really didnt make BJ work except pinning him against the cage. Diego will be putting pressure on him consistently and testing that cardio. I think that will prob end up being the difference. Both are good boxers, and both have great ground game. It'll be a good tilt

Originally posted by Jordache49:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
He'll beat down Sanchez like he did Stevenson. Maybe not as bloody but I see the fight going the same way.

I dont know man... Diego's cardio is top-notch. Florian really didnt make BJ work except pinning him against the cage. Diego will be putting pressure on him consistently and testing that cardio. I think that will prob end up being the difference. Both are good boxers, and both have great ground game. It'll be a good tilt

If Penn trains the same way he did for Florian, I don't see Nightmare winning. Everyone always tries to test Penn's cardio, Penn knows this, he knows his cardio is his worst enemy. But if Penn trains with Maranovich (spelling) again, his cardio will only continue to get better.

I will say Penn chokes out Sanchez in the 3rd. Sanchez has problems on the ground, Guida exposed that for Penn.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jordache49:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
He'll beat down Sanchez like he did Stevenson. Maybe not as bloody but I see the fight going the same way.

I dont know man... Diego's cardio is top-notch. Florian really didnt make BJ work except pinning him against the cage. Diego will be putting pressure on him consistently and testing that cardio. I think that will prob end up being the difference. Both are good boxers, and both have great ground game. It'll be a good tilt

If Penn trains the same way he did for Florian, I don't see Nightmare winning. Everyone always tries to test Penn's cardio, Penn knows this, he knows his cardio is his worst enemy. But if Penn trains with Maranovich (spelling) again, his cardio will only continue to get better.

I will say Penn chokes out Sanchez in the 3rd. Sanchez has problems on the ground, Guida exposed that for Penn.

I'll agree, his cardio looked a lot better. It always does when he fights LW really.. Adding that extra weight always seems to hurt him. Watching his last fight too, he seemed to learn to pace himself.. If Diego comes out the way he did against Guida, guns blazing, I dont see Penn being able to handle that for 5 rds. Penn could finish it earlier though. I personally think it would be a great fight

Originally posted by Jordache49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jordache49:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
He'll beat down Sanchez like he did Stevenson. Maybe not as bloody but I see the fight going the same way.

I dont know man... Diego's cardio is top-notch. Florian really didnt make BJ work except pinning him against the cage. Diego will be putting pressure on him consistently and testing that cardio. I think that will prob end up being the difference. Both are good boxers, and both have great ground game. It'll be a good tilt

If Penn trains the same way he did for Florian, I don't see Nightmare winning. Everyone always tries to test Penn's cardio, Penn knows this, he knows his cardio is his worst enemy. But if Penn trains with Maranovich (spelling) again, his cardio will only continue to get better.

I will say Penn chokes out Sanchez in the 3rd. Sanchez has problems on the ground, Guida exposed that for Penn.

I'll agree, his cardio looked a lot better. It always does when he fights LW really.. Adding that extra weight always seems to hurt him. Watching his last fight too, he seemed to learn to pace himself.. If Diego comes out the way he did against Guida, guns blazing, I dont see Penn being able to handle that for 5 rds. Penn could finish it earlier though. I personally think it would be a great fight

Oh no I agree, I think this will be just as good if not better than Penn vs. GSP 2. I also agree that when Penn adds extra weight he handicaps himself. I think he needs to stay in the LW class for a while and TRY to go on some type of win streak, before even thiking about getting back to the WW or 170 pound class. Shoot, even Anderson Silva thinks nobody can't beat Penn at 155, Sanchez will be his biggest test at 155. But did you notice in the Guida and Sanchez fight that Guida was wearing out Sanchez when he had him on the ground?? Can't overlook Sanchez's 21-2 record that is pretty impressive.

I still can't believe Penn jumped out of that pool. scary s**t. Could you imagine, say you're at a pool party, you start talking smack to some dude in the pool and he jumps out like that?? Hilarity would ensue.

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
I still can't believe Penn jumped out of that pool. scary s**t. Could you imagine, say you're at a pool party, you start talking smack to some dude in the pool and he jumps out like that?? Hilarity would ensue.

What if you were the guy talking smack?

Originally posted by Brew:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
I still can't believe Penn jumped out of that pool. scary s**t. Could you imagine, say you're at a pool party, you start talking smack to some dude in the pool and he jumps out like that?? Hilarity would ensue.

What if you were the guy talking smack?

What if you tried to jump out of the pool and failed?

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by Brew:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
I still can't believe Penn jumped out of that pool. scary s**t. Could you imagine, say you're at a pool party, you start talking smack to some dude in the pool and he jumps out like that?? Hilarity would ensue.

What if you were the guy talking smack?

What if you tried to jump out of the pool and failed?

pants is that you?

Originally posted by Brew:

Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
I still can't believe Penn jumped out of that pool. scary s**t. Could you imagine, say you're at a pool party, you start talking smack to some dude in the pool and he jumps out like that?? Hilarity would ensue.

What if you were the guy talking smack?

Psssh Penn don't want none of this, I might do something crazy like............run!!!

If Diego charges out at Penn like he did Guida i say Penn ends it in the 1st. BJ won't stand there like Guida did and throw wildly. he'll side step him and throw his own heavy handed combo and maybe drop him like he did Stevenson and Florian or shoot on him. then once it goes on the ground... Penn's jiujitsu > Diego's jiujitsu.

Originally posted by 49erfeeeever808:
If Diego charges out at Penn like he did Guida i say Penn ends it in the 1st. BJ won't stand there like Guida did and throw wildly. he'll side step him and throw his own heavy handed combo and maybe drop him like he did Stevenson and Florian or shoot on him. then once it goes on the ground... Penn's jiujitsu > Diego's jiujitsu.

I agree, Penn is the best counter puncher out there (at 155 of course).

Anyone seen Penns last punch to Florian at the end of the 3rd?? HILARIOUS!!! Florian tried to superman punch him, Penn side stepped it and caught him, Florian went sideways!!!! That's just waiting to make a Gif out of!!!