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**UFC/MMA Thread**

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.
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Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.

That's pretty much it. The fix wasn't in, Forrest was just embarrassed and decided not to delay the inevitable.
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.[/quote/


Rampage and Evans have alot more knock out power than Silva.
Originally posted by KALI-KING:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.[/quote/

Rampage and Evans have alot more knock out power than Silva.

They do, but Rampage's power was taken out with leg kicks. Of course Evans does, which is why Evans knocked him out.

What I'm saying, is it's not unlikely that Silva knocked him out.
Update on Forrest Griffin (who was absent from the post-fight press conference) from the UG:

"I heard his jaw was dislocated very early in the fight…then he took several more punches to the jaw. Apparently he can’t hear out of the ear on that side either. He left the octagon because he needed medical attention asap. At first they thought his jaw was broken, then said it was dislocated."

[UPDATE] - Confirmed by telegraph.co.uk:

"Griffin had been taken to the hospital for checks, unable to hear in one ear, and in order to get his jaw checked."
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Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.

Your kidding me right, real KO power like Silva, is Silva all of sudden Superman?? Even Chris Leban took more than what Silva dished out to Griffin. Griffin has seen far more damage and tolerated much more than just those three knockdowns last night. Silva's short jab didn't even follow through. Even experienced fighters I watched with in Hawaii, question, if someone knocks you down twice, why would you still stand and strike?? Makes no sense at all, especially if you've got the ground skills like Griffin does and he did not shoot in, not once.

You guys have your own opinion on this, I have mine. And I'll leave it at that.

As for the reason Griffin would fix his own fight....simple, money. Money is the cause behind everything.
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**Anderson "Spider" Silva to give up 185 pound belt to permanently fight at 205**


Quote:
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports

PHILADELPHIA – Hours after the most electrifying domination in a career filled with them, deep in a back hallway of the Wachovia Center, Anderson Silva was waiting for Dana White. Silva is the UFC’s middleweight (185-pound) champion but Saturday he boldly moved up 20 pounds and in a jaw-dropping exhibition, brutalized Forrest Griffin, who just nine months ago was the light heavyweight (205) title holder.

. . .


That Silva could move up a weight class and not just win, but destroy with power, was a game-changing and perhaps UFC-altering moment. That’s what Silva and his manager, Ed Soares, wanted to discuss with White.

With his arm wrapped around White’s shoulder, Soares leaned in and delivered a proposition. “Spider” Silva would move permanently to light heavyweight, even if it meant the unorthodox move of giving up his middleweight belt.

“I can do that,” White smiled, a bit stunned at the offer. “I like that. We can do that.”

Soares smiled and shook White’s hand. Silva had been accosted by a fan by then and couldn’t hear White, but it was presumably the news he was seeking. The man has such outrageous confidence in his abilities he’s willing to potentially toss away a championship he’s owned for almost three years to take a challenge outside his comfort zone.

“I’d let him,” White said later, sitting in his quiet dressing room. “We’d put [the middleweight title] up for grabs.”

The hour was late and everyone’s excitement was still high. Perhaps plans and goals change by morning, so White didn’t know what to say officially. This was still just hurried talk. He knew this much though, as a promoter there are more blockbuster fights for Silva at 205 than 185, where he’s beaten everyone of note.

Silva’s next title defense was supposed to be against Dan Henderson, who Silva savagely choked out in March 2008.

“Who knows,” White said, wheels already spinning. “We’ll see what happens. In the talks I’ve had with Anderson, he wants to take on the best in the world. He’s the most talented fighter in the world, the best pound for pound fighter and it’s a joke to say anyone else is. And he wants to continue to prove [it].”

White thought for a moment.

“He would jump in that mix [at the top of the light heavyweight division],” White said. “You’ve got Rashad [Evans], you’ve got Rampage [Jackson], [Lyoto] Machida is the champion. And Tito [Ortiz] is in the mix now.”

If Silva did vacate the middleweight title to move up full time, the ironic thing is that he claims it wouldn’t be to pursue the light heavyweight belt. At least as long as it was held by Machida, a fellow Brazilian and training partner.

“Lyoto is my friend, he is my brother and there is no way that fight will ever happen,” Silva said.

White, coveting a clash between two men who are both unbeaten in UFC competition, brushes that talk aside.

“I’ll make it happen,” White said winking his eye. “It’s not even about money. It’s about proving you’re the best, it’s about securing your place in history. It’s about putting on a super fight that fans want to see.

“I’m all about making big fights that fans want to see.”
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.

Your kidding me right, real KO power like Silva, is Silva all of sudden Superman?? Even Chris Leban took more than what Silva dished out to Griffin. Griffin has seen far more damage and tolerated much more than just those three knockdowns last night. Silva's short jab didn't even follow through. Even experienced fighters I watched with in Hawaii, question, if someone knocks you down twice, why would you still stand and strike?? Makes no sense at all, especially if you've got the ground skills like Griffin does and he did not shoot in, not once.

You guys have your own opinion on this, I have mine. And I'll leave it at that.

As for the reason Griffin would fix his own fight....simple, money. Money is the cause behind everything.

Not sure where you've been but Silva's been superman for a while now. Its really a pretty simple concept. Forrest was out on his feet after the 2nd knockdown and it didnt take a lot to floor him for the 3rd time. Ive seen boxers go down from getting hit on the shoulder after being rocked 20 seconds earlier.

Taking 3 flush shots from the best striker in the world really isnt that bad. Ask James Irvin it only took 1 to knock him the f**k out.

Your attitude is a testament to how good Silva really is. He beat Forrest sooooo badly people cant/wont believe it.
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Originally posted by natrone06:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.

Your kidding me right, real KO power like Silva, is Silva all of sudden Superman?? Even Chris Leban took more than what Silva dished out to Griffin. Griffin has seen far more damage and tolerated much more than just those three knockdowns last night. Silva's short jab didn't even follow through. Even experienced fighters I watched with in Hawaii, question, if someone knocks you down twice, why would you still stand and strike?? Makes no sense at all, especially if you've got the ground skills like Griffin does and he did not shoot in, not once.

You guys have your own opinion on this, I have mine. And I'll leave it at that.

As for the reason Griffin would fix his own fight....simple, money. Money is the cause behind everything.

Not sure where you've been but Silva's been superman for a while now. Its really a pretty simple concept. Forrest was out on his feet after the 2nd knockdown and it didnt take a lot to floor him for the 3rd time. Ive seen boxers go down from getting hit on the shoulder after being rocked 20 seconds earlier.

Taking 3 flush shots from the best striker in the world really isnt that bad. Ask James Irvin it only took 1 to knock him the f**k out.

Your attitude is a testament to how good Silva really is. He beat Forrest sooooo badly people cant/wont believe it.

Actually Griffin was still aggressive after the second knockdown, and well recovered from it. James Irvin wasn't knocked out by that one punch just off balance by his right leg caught from a kick and knocked down from a punch. Irvin wasn't knocked out till after the flurry of punches he took while he was on the ground. Didn't see any short jabs knock down Dan Henderson or Patrick Cote.

And again, I'm not denying Silva's knockout power or how good he is. Its just that I've seen Griffin handle much more damage....how many times to I have to repeat this??

But anyway, I'm done discussing it, you guys believe what you want as I will too.

BJ won that's all that matters.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by natrone06:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.

Your kidding me right, real KO power like Silva, is Silva all of sudden Superman?? Even Chris Leban took more than what Silva dished out to Griffin. Griffin has seen far more damage and tolerated much more than just those three knockdowns last night. Silva's short jab didn't even follow through. Even experienced fighters I watched with in Hawaii, question, if someone knocks you down twice, why would you still stand and strike?? Makes no sense at all, especially if you've got the ground skills like Griffin does and he did not shoot in, not once.

You guys have your own opinion on this, I have mine. And I'll leave it at that.

As for the reason Griffin would fix his own fight....simple, money. Money is the cause behind everything.

Not sure where you've been but Silva's been superman for a while now. Its really a pretty simple concept. Forrest was out on his feet after the 2nd knockdown and it didnt take a lot to floor him for the 3rd time. Ive seen boxers go down from getting hit on the shoulder after being rocked 20 seconds earlier.

Taking 3 flush shots from the best striker in the world really isnt that bad. Ask James Irvin it only took 1 to knock him the f**k out.

Your attitude is a testament to how good Silva really is. He beat Forrest sooooo badly people cant/wont believe it.

Actually Griffin was still aggressive after the second knockdown, and well recovered from it. James Irvin wasn't knocked out by that one punch just off balance by his right leg caught from a kick and knocked down from a punch. Irvin wasn't knocked out till after the flurry of punches he took while he was on the ground. Didn't see any short jabs knock down Dan Henderson or Patrick Cote.

And again, I'm not denying Silva's knockout power or how good he is. Its just that I've seen Griffin handle much more damage....how many times to I have to repeat this??

But anyway, I'm done discussing it, you guys believe what you want as I will too.

BJ won that's all that matters.


He needs to just stay at 155. He's such a beast there.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
**Anderson "Spider" Silva to give up 185 pound belt to permanently fight at 205**


Quote:
By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports

PHILADELPHIA – Hours after the most electrifying domination in a career filled with them, deep in a back hallway of the Wachovia Center, Anderson Silva was waiting for Dana White. Silva is the UFC’s middleweight (185-pound) champion but Saturday he boldly moved up 20 pounds and in a jaw-dropping exhibition, brutalized Forrest Griffin, who just nine months ago was the light heavyweight (205) title holder.

. . .


That Silva could move up a weight class and not just win, but destroy with power, was a game-changing and perhaps UFC-altering moment. That’s what Silva and his manager, Ed Soares, wanted to discuss with White.

With his arm wrapped around White’s shoulder, Soares leaned in and delivered a proposition. “Spider” Silva would move permanently to light heavyweight, even if it meant the unorthodox move of giving up his middleweight belt.

“I can do that,” White smiled, a bit stunned at the offer. “I like that. We can do that.”

Soares smiled and shook White’s hand. Silva had been accosted by a fan by then and couldn’t hear White, but it was presumably the news he was seeking. The man has such outrageous confidence in his abilities he’s willing to potentially toss away a championship he’s owned for almost three years to take a challenge outside his comfort zone.

“I’d let him,” White said later, sitting in his quiet dressing room. “We’d put [the middleweight title] up for grabs.”

The hour was late and everyone’s excitement was still high. Perhaps plans and goals change by morning, so White didn’t know what to say officially. This was still just hurried talk. He knew this much though, as a promoter there are more blockbuster fights for Silva at 205 than 185, where he’s beaten everyone of note.

Silva’s next title defense was supposed to be against Dan Henderson, who Silva savagely choked out in March 2008.

“Who knows,” White said, wheels already spinning. “We’ll see what happens. In the talks I’ve had with Anderson, he wants to take on the best in the world. He’s the most talented fighter in the world, the best pound for pound fighter and it’s a joke to say anyone else is. And he wants to continue to prove [it].”

White thought for a moment.

“He would jump in that mix [at the top of the light heavyweight division],” White said. “You’ve got Rashad [Evans], you’ve got Rampage [Jackson], [Lyoto] Machida is the champion. And Tito [Ortiz] is in the mix now.”

If Silva did vacate the middleweight title to move up full time, the ironic thing is that he claims it wouldn’t be to pursue the light heavyweight belt. At least as long as it was held by Machida, a fellow Brazilian and training partner.

“Lyoto is my friend, he is my brother and there is no way that fight will ever happen,” Silva said.

White, coveting a clash between two men who are both unbeaten in UFC competition, brushes that talk aside.

“I’ll make it happen,” White said winking his eye. “It’s not even about money. It’s about proving you’re the best, it’s about securing your place in history. It’s about putting on a super fight that fans want to see.

“I’m all about making big fights that fans want to see.”

I just read this on Yahoo.

I think it's great if he gives up his 185 belt. He's clearly unbeatable there. At 205lbs though, I wonder who he'll fight. Machida is the match everyone wants to see, but Silva said he won't fight him. Tito wouldn't stand a chance and Rashad could only prey to that he could come out swinging like a mad man and land a big shot. Rampage has a great chin, but he's not very elusive, so I don't like his odds. Rua is interesting if he can regain the swagger he had during his Pride dominance, but would Silva even fight him (Brazillian connection)?

Regardless of who Silva fights, he'll be fun to watch. He's the most dominant fighter in the world and IMO, it's not even close. I haven't forgotten about Fedor, but I'm not convinced that he could last against Lesnar.

Also, I think we can expect to see a Dan Henderson and Thiago Alves showdown for the 185 crown.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by natrone06:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by pantstickle:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Originally posted by TonyStarks:
LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.

Your kidding me right, real KO power like Silva, is Silva all of sudden Superman?? Even Chris Leban took more than what Silva dished out to Griffin. Griffin has seen far more damage and tolerated much more than just those three knockdowns last night. Silva's short jab didn't even follow through. Even experienced fighters I watched with in Hawaii, question, if someone knocks you down twice, why would you still stand and strike?? Makes no sense at all, especially if you've got the ground skills like Griffin does and he did not shoot in, not once.

You guys have your own opinion on this, I have mine. And I'll leave it at that.

As for the reason Griffin would fix his own fight....simple, money. Money is the cause behind everything.

Not sure where you've been but Silva's been superman for a while now. Its really a pretty simple concept. Forrest was out on his feet after the 2nd knockdown and it didnt take a lot to floor him for the 3rd time. Ive seen boxers go down from getting hit on the shoulder after being rocked 20 seconds earlier.

Taking 3 flush shots from the best striker in the world really isnt that bad. Ask James Irvin it only took 1 to knock him the f**k out.

Your attitude is a testament to how good Silva really is. He beat Forrest sooooo badly people cant/wont believe it.

Actually Griffin was still aggressive after the second knockdown, and well recovered from it. James Irvin wasn't knocked out by that one punch just off balance by his right leg caught from a kick and knocked down from a punch. Irvin wasn't knocked out till after the flurry of punches he took while he was on the ground. Didn't see any short jabs knock down Dan Henderson or Patrick Cote.

And again, I'm not denying Silva's knockout power or how good he is. Its just that I've seen Griffin handle much more damage....how many times to I have to repeat this??

But anyway, I'm done discussing it, you guys believe what you want as I will too.

BJ won that's all that matters.

Update on Forrest Griffin (who was absent from the post-fight press conference) from the UG:

"I heard his jaw was dislocated very early in the fight…then he took several more punches to the jaw. Apparently he can’t hear out of the ear on that side either. He left the octagon because he needed medical attention asap. At first they thought his jaw was broken, then said it was dislocated."

[UPDATE] - Confirmed by telegraph.co.uk:

"Griffin had been taken to the hospital for checks, unable to hear in one ear, and in order to get his jaw checked."
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LINK TO A.SILVA VS FORREST





Tell me some sh*t wasn't going on!

Silva with his hands down?!!

WTF?


I either suspect Griffin knew he was gonna get ko'ed sooner or later so he sold a fake ko

or he just got paid off. I dunno.
either way....smh

It's pretty simple...

Forrest doesn't have the hand speed to trade punches with Silva who also has way more power and precision.

Rampage didn't have any hand speed or precision...nowhere near the level of Silva's. Bonnar was a good striker but not fast enough.

Even Rashad Evans who got killed by Machida doesn't have the striking ability of a Silva.

Point is, Rampage, Evans and Bonnar all have knockout power, and Griffin took much more damage fighting them than he did with Silva. I won't deny Silva has knockout power either, but Griffin does have a much tougher chin than what he showed. Griffin took a bigger shot when he was knocked down his second time, Anderson didn't even move his hips when he threw that jab, it was a straight jab.

And how do you just stand up and run away right after he was knocked out, the way he made it look. Few of my friends I was watching the fight with last night who fight in MMA (Rumble on the Rock) all agreed that fight was such a phony and fixed.

Griffin took out Rampage's KO power with leg kicks. Evans knocked Griffin out, and Bonnar hasn't knocked anyone out. I think it's safe to say that Griffin hadn't experienced real KO power like what Silva threw at him.

As for the storming out, I think he was just humiliated. He knew Silva made him look really bad and he didn't want to stick around any longer. I see no reason for the UFC, Griffin, or Silva to throw the fight. Nothing was gained, nothing was lost.

Your kidding me right, real KO power like Silva, is Silva all of sudden Superman?? Even Chris Leban took more than what Silva dished out to Griffin. Griffin has seen far more damage and tolerated much more than just those three knockdowns last night. Silva's short jab didn't even follow through. Even experienced fighters I watched with in Hawaii, question, if someone knocks you down twice, why would you still stand and strike?? Makes no sense at all, especially if you've got the ground skills like Griffin does and he did not shoot in, not once.

You guys have your own opinion on this, I have mine. And I'll leave it at that.

As for the reason Griffin would fix his own fight....simple, money. Money is the cause behind everything.

Not sure where you've been but Silva's been superman for a while now. Its really a pretty simple concept. Forrest was out on his feet after the 2nd knockdown and it didnt take a lot to floor him for the 3rd time. Ive seen boxers go down from getting hit on the shoulder after being rocked 20 seconds earlier.

Taking 3 flush shots from the best striker in the world really isnt that bad. Ask James Irvin it only took 1 to knock him the f**k out.

Your attitude is a testament to how good Silva really is. He beat Forrest sooooo badly people cant/wont believe it.

Actually Griffin was still aggressive after the second knockdown, and well recovered from it. James Irvin wasn't knocked out by that one punch just off balance by his right leg caught from a kick and knocked down from a punch. Irvin wasn't knocked out till after the flurry of punches he took while he was on the ground. Didn't see any short jabs knock down Dan Henderson or Patrick Cote.

And again, I'm not denying Silva's knockout power or how good he is. Its just that I've seen Griffin handle much more damage....how many times to I have to repeat this??

But anyway, I'm done discussing it, you guys believe what you want as I will too.

BJ won that's all that matters.

Update on Forrest Griffin (who was absent from the post-fight press conference) from the UG:

"I heard his jaw was dislocated very early in the fight…then he took several more punches to the jaw. Apparently he can’t hear out of the ear on that side either. He left the octagon because he needed medical attention asap. At first they thought his jaw was broken, then said it was dislocated."

[UPDATE] - Confirmed by telegraph.co.uk:

"Griffin had been taken to the hospital for checks, unable to hear in one ear, and in order to get his jaw checked."

I stand corrected. I was wrong, thanks for the closure though. Thanks TheGoldStandard!!!
Damn....Miguel Torres just got KO'd by Brian Bowles....
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Damn....Miguel Torres just got KO'd by Brian Bowles....

shocked too... Brian Bowles just has too much power! I wanted to see more replays though lol even the announcer sounded shocked

Good event overall by the WEC a lot of very close matches...

[ Edited by Blackgoat49ers5 on Aug 9, 2009 at 20:37:19 ]
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