2025 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Id be really curious what you would offer Toronto for a 1 year rental of Vlad before he tests free agency. It better be a lot because Toronto would have a lot of teams making offers if they made it known he was on the block

Not really. First, it had been reported that they kind of let it be known that he is available to gauge what they can get for him. What kind of package it would take to interest Toronto or beat the competition for him, I haven't thought of much since it is just the early speculation. As to the competition, not many teams would pay much for a one-year rental, if they are not prepared to offer him what he will demand. And obviously he will demand a lot. The Giants don't have to worry much about his demand because they'll use him for the year with the hope someone else taking over at first. So maybe I would overpay a little with few prospects like Luciano and such who don't move the needle here but could be still looked at maybe blossoming talent by someone else. Win-win for both sides. One gets some hope for prospects for possibly nothing. The other has legit chance for WC which benefits the fans and subsequently renewed interest in the team which benefits the ownership. I know this is kind of the from the top picture, but kind of doable. One can dream.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Lmao that's the point. It's been been 20 years since. Every club has done it twice. If you can't look at the data and see it's a factor you're crazy. You think 20 years since the last guy is an accident? Lmao.

Barry in 2005. He's also one of the top 5 players of all time.

use your head lmao

i made my point on it. we led the league recently with a group of jokers. so i don't view it as some impossible park to hit it out, nor do i chop guys numbers in half as a expectation due to park.

Nobody said it's impossible. Lmao you are the king of making up fake positions.

What they said is the park makes it harder to hit a lot. And if you look at the data for the last 20 years it's obviously true.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Nobody said it's impossible. Lmao you are the king of making up fake positions.

What they said is the park makes it harder to hit a lot. And if you look at the data for the last 20 years it's obviously true.

i'll directly quote this is what was said: '.230 avg, 20 HR, 80 RBI's type guy at Oracle would be my guess. Milwaukee is a pretty live yard. It's going to be tough for any big money free agent hitter to really be worth their contract here'

i push back on what was said there. we signed Chap he hit 27. he hit 27 in 2022 and 2021. 27 3 times, for 3 different clubs. he's pretty consistent. if you want to forecast him, forecast 27.

Originally posted by tl57:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Id be really curious what you would offer Toronto for a 1 year rental of Vlad before he tests free agency. It better be a lot because Toronto would have a lot of teams making offers if they made it known he was on the block

Not really. First, it had been reported that they kind of let it be known that he is available to gauge what they can get for him. What kind of package it would take to interest Toronto or beat the competition for him, I haven't thought of much since it is just the early speculation. As to the competition, not many teams would pay much for a one-year rental, if they are not prepared to offer him what he will demand. And obviously he will demand a lot. The Giants don't have to worry much about his demand because they'll use him for the year with the hope someone else taking over at first. So maybe I would overpay a little with few prospects like Luciano and such who don't move the needle here but could be still looked at maybe blossoming talent by someone else. Win-win for both sides. One gets some hope for prospects for possibly nothing. The other has legit chance for WC which benefits the fans and subsequently renewed interest in the team which benefits the ownership. I know this is kind of the from the top picture, but kind of doable. One can dream.

Adding Vlad Jr would give our team some real offensive juice...I would even consider extending him ASAP with a Harper type contract (not a Soto type contract)

If Vlad agrees to a contract extension ASAP as part of the trade I would include Eldridge in the package (we basically trade the potential of Eldridge at low cost for a proven 26 year old slugger with a higher cost)

If Vlad does NOT want to sign ASAP I would offer anything but Eldridge (yes I would trade Harrison but I'd rather give multiple of our logjam pitchers instead)

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Adding Vlad Jr would give our team some real offensive juice...I would even consider extending him ASAP with a Harper type contract (not a Soto type contract)

If Vlad agrees to a contract extension ASAP as part of the trade I would include Eldridge in the package (we basically trade the potential of Eldridge at low cost for a proven 26 year old slugger with a higher cost)

If Vlad does NOT want to sign ASAP I would offer anything but Eldridge (yes I would trade Harrison but I'd rather give multiple of our logjam pitchers instead)

he's a star no doubt, just doesn't fit what i look for. i'm looking for pitching, fielding and baserunning. he's kind of a two tool guy at best, who will get paid a premium. so for that reason i am out. the LA and NY markets will pay him a ton. i'd like to see us try and recreate the dynasty posey years. can't ask for another posey, but we do have a young backstop who is solid. get timely hitting, good fielding, and can't have enough pitching.

Originally posted by tl57:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Id be really curious what you would offer Toronto for a 1 year rental of Vlad before he tests free agency. It better be a lot because Toronto would have a lot of teams making offers if they made it known he was on the block

Not really. First, it had been reported that they kind of let it be known that he is available to gauge what they can get for him. What kind of package it would take to interest Toronto or beat the competition for him, I haven't thought of much since it is just the early speculation. As to the competition, not many teams would pay much for a one-year rental, if they are not prepared to offer him what he will demand. And obviously he will demand a lot. The Giants don't have to worry much about his demand because they'll use him for the year with the hope someone else taking over at first. So maybe I would overpay a little with few prospects like Luciano and such who don't move the needle here but could be still looked at maybe blossoming talent by someone else. Win-win for both sides. One gets some hope for prospects for possibly nothing. The other has legit chance for WC which benefits the fans and subsequently renewed interest in the team which benefits the ownership. I know this is kind of the from the top picture, but kind of doable. One can dream.

I dont think the Giants have enough to get Vlad even for a 1 yr deal unless Etheridge is included. Reality is the Giants farm system and prospects struggled big time last year and other organizations have much more to offer.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Adding Vlad Jr would give our team some real offensive juice...I would even consider extending him ASAP with a Harper type contract (not a Soto type contract)

If Vlad agrees to a contract extension ASAP as part of the trade I would include Eldridge in the package (we basically trade the potential of Eldridge at low cost for a proven 26 year old slugger with a higher cost)

If Vlad does NOT want to sign ASAP I would offer anything but Eldridge (yes I would trade Harrison but I'd rather give multiple of our logjam pitchers instead)

he's a star no doubt, just doesn't fit what i look for. i'm looking for pitching, fielding and baserunning. he's kind of a two tool guy at best, who will get paid a premium. so for that reason i am out. the LA and NY markets will pay him a ton. i'd like to see us try and recreate the dynasty posey years. can't ask for another posey, but we do have a young backstop who is solid. get timely hitting, good fielding, and can't have enough pitching.

So if Yordan Alvarez was available would you not be interested in him? I ask because he is very similar. Great hitter who doesn't run and isn't a great fielder. Me? I'll take an elite hitter every time. Wouldn't it be cool to have someone who is a lock for 30/100 and can hit .300 as well.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
Adding Vlad Jr would give our team some real offensive juice...I would even consider extending him ASAP with a Harper type contract (not a Soto type contract)

If Vlad agrees to a contract extension ASAP as part of the trade I would include Eldridge in the package (we basically trade the potential of Eldridge at low cost for a proven 26 year old slugger with a higher cost)

If Vlad does NOT want to sign ASAP I would offer anything but Eldridge (yes I would trade Harrison but I'd rather give multiple of our logjam pitchers instead)

he's a star no doubt, just doesn't fit what i look for. i'm looking for pitching, fielding and baserunning. he's kind of a two tool guy at best, who will get paid a premium. so for that reason i am out. the LA and NY markets will pay him a ton. i'd like to see us try and recreate the dynasty posey years. can't ask for another posey, but we do have a young backstop who is solid. get timely hitting, good fielding, and can't have enough pitching.

So if Yordan Alvarez was available would you not be interested in him? I ask because he is very similar. Great hitter who doesn't run and isn't a great fielder. Me? I'll take an elite hitter every time. Wouldn't it be cool to have someone who is a lock for 30/100 and can hit .300 as well.

Holy SMFH Faithful is really arguing that he wouldnt want Vlad? First base is the position where you can get away with not having an elite fielder more than any other position. And baserunning has become so much of an afterthought in todays game (not to mention baserunning has never been all that important for cleanup hitters).

Posey has been the only elite hitter we have had since Bonds retired. Give me more of those, please.

Kyle Tucker supposedly on the block.

Do it Buster!!!!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Niners99:
.230 avg, 20 HR, 80 RBI's type guy at Oracle would be my guess. Milwaukee is a pretty live yard. It's going to be tough for any big money free agent hitter to really be worth their contract here. I wish we could land an elite guy for once. Id rather overpay for a legit star than pay 180 mil for a 20/80 guy.

i don't agree with this thinking on our yard. for example, in 2021 we led the NL in homers with this yard.

The entire 2021 season was an outlier. Oracle has been the deadest yard in the big leagues since it opened 25 years ago.

Trading Bryce is not the answer

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
So if Yordan Alvarez was available would you not be interested in him? I ask because he is very similar. Great hitter who doesn't run and isn't a great fielder. Me? I'll take an elite hitter every time. Wouldn't it be cool to have someone who is a lock for 30/100 and can hit .300 as well.

interested in everybody, but it's opportunity cost. we would have to trade for vlad, then pay out the backside on contract. i don't see it. if money is limited i go heavy on pitching.

Originally posted by JMC52:
Trading Bryce is not the answer

I mean… it's never a sure thing , sure wheeler was a mistake , but look at Luciano, he was more hyped and turned out to be a bust, always thought trading for someone who is already proven was always smart

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by JMC52:
Trading Bryce is not the answer

I mean… it's never a sure thing , sure wheeler was a mistake , but look at Luciano, he was more hyped and turned out to be a bust, always thought trading for someone who is already proven was always smart

Luciano is only 23. Far from a bust.

Zack Wheeler was mediocre for the entirety of his rookie contract with the Mets. He then became a free agent for anyone to sign and became good after.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by JMC52:
Trading Bryce is not the answer

I mean… it's never a sure thing , sure wheeler was a mistake , but look at Luciano, he was more hyped and turned out to be a bust, always thought trading for someone who is already proven was always smart

Luciano is only 23. Far from a bust.

Zack Wheeler was mediocre for the entirety of his rookie contract with the Mets. He then became a free agent for anyone to sign and became good after.

Luciano isn't a bust but be he certainly isn't the phenom we were led to believe. He's not a good infielder and now they're toying with trying him in the outfield. If that fails he's a DH and he hasn't showed much power the last couple years. He seems to have regressed and and I place part of the blame on the front office for the way he was handled.