Golden State Warriors Talk

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Soo Phoenix is in the mix now for Kuminga, would you do Dillon Brooks and a 1st for Kuminga? lol I know I know the hate but imagine Draymond, Jimmy and Brooks on D ? Or Grayson Allen and Nick Richards for Kuminga ? Thoughts ?

Would rather lose forever than root for brooks. Rooting for CP3 was hard enough. f**k that guy

I can't second this hard enough.

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Soo Phoenix is in the mix now for Kuminga, would you do Dillon Brooks and a 1st for Kuminga? lol I know I know the hate but imagine Draymond, Jimmy and Brooks on D ? Or Grayson Allen and Nick Richards for Kuminga ? Thoughts ?

Hell no for Brooks.

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Soo Phoenix is in the mix now for Kuminga, would you do Dillon Brooks and a 1st for Kuminga? lol I know I know the hate but imagine Draymond, Jimmy and Brooks on D ? Or Grayson Allen and Nick Richards for Kuminga ? Thoughts ?

Not a chance in hell I would make that trade unless the NBA guarantees we win the lottery with the Suns 1st pick. Lol

I hope MDJ does his due diligence around Jrue Holiday.

Dont think blazers ready to trade him yet, but depending on how the season goes. They def have a chance for a play in spot keeping that team together.

Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

There are implications that a lot of deals are agreed to but Kuminga has to move first.

I do wonder how far they can make their available money go.

Horford and Melton are supposedly as done as possible at the moment. Lot's of talk about a BUNCH of other players ... but it's all waiting on progress with Kuminga, either him staying or going.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

There are implications that a lot of deals are agreed to but Kuminga has to move first.

I do wonder how far they can make their available money go.

Horford and Melton are supposedly as done as possible at the moment. Lot's of talk about a BUNCH of other players ... but it's all waiting on progress with Kuminga, either him staying or going.

I know it's a differfnet sport with different rules but this is exactly what I'm concerned about with the Niners. I don't want to see them get into a spot like the Warriors are in where they can't make moves because of salary reasons. The NBA has so many rules on what you can and can't do that GM's must lay awake at night .

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

There are implications that a lot of deals are agreed to but Kuminga has to move first.

I do wonder how far they can make their available money go.

Horford and Melton are supposedly as done as possible at the moment. Lot's of talk about a BUNCH of other players ... but it's all waiting on progress with Kuminga, either him staying or going.

I know it's a differfnet sport with different rules but this is exactly what I'm concerned about with the Niners. I don't want to see them get into a spot like the Warriors are in where they can't make moves because of salary reasons. The NBA has so many rules on what you can and can't do that GM's must lay awake at night .

The NBA is much easier to make moves since the cap isn't a hard cap 99% of the time.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

There are implications that a lot of deals are agreed to but Kuminga has to move first.

I do wonder how far they can make their available money go.

Horford and Melton are supposedly as done as possible at the moment. Lot's of talk about a BUNCH of other players ... but it's all waiting on progress with Kuminga, either him staying or going.

I know it's a differfnet sport with different rules but this is exactly what I'm concerned about with the Niners. I don't want to see them get into a spot like the Warriors are in where they can't make moves because of salary reasons. The NBA has so many rules on what you can and can't do that GM's must lay awake at night .

The NBA is much easier to make moves since the cap isn't a hard cap 99% of the time.

It was until this new CBA. Any sign and trades hard cap you at the first apron. Most teams are trying to avoid the second apron entirely.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

There are implications that a lot of deals are agreed to but Kuminga has to move first.

I do wonder how far they can make their available money go.

Horford and Melton are supposedly as done as possible at the moment. Lot's of talk about a BUNCH of other players ... but it's all waiting on progress with Kuminga, either him staying or going.

I know it's a differfnet sport with different rules but this is exactly what I'm concerned about with the Niners. I don't want to see them get into a spot like the Warriors are in where they can't make moves because of salary reasons. The NBA has so many rules on what you can and can't do that GM's must lay awake at night .

The NBA is much easier to make moves since the cap isn't a hard cap 99% of the time.

It was until this new CBA. Any sign and trades hard cap you at the first apron. Most teams are trying to avoid the second apron entirely.

Several teams have opted to "hard apron" (I think in some cases because it's a good excuse to dump a lot of players) ... that number is WAY over the cap to begin with. They realized tax money penalties were not doing enough to stop top teams so they set a penalty line.

You are not talking about a hard cap, but the 1st apron OVER the cap. This year the cap is $154.6M ... at the moment there are 2, TWO total teams not over the cap. That is a very soft cap. :) The 1st apron OVER the cap is $196M ... fully $40M over the "cap". The 2nd apron is around $210M. Also keep in mind that the luxury tax line where the money penalties start is not the cap, but $30M+ over the cap.

This stuff is all in response to teams manipulating the rules in ways some NBA owners/players didn't expect when they agreed to the CBA. The NFL is going to get some of this stuff soon too with the void years stuff.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

There are implications that a lot of deals are agreed to but Kuminga has to move first.

I do wonder how far they can make their available money go.

Horford and Melton are supposedly as done as possible at the moment. Lot's of talk about a BUNCH of other players ... but it's all waiting on progress with Kuminga, either him staying or going.

I know it's a differfnet sport with different rules but this is exactly what I'm concerned about with the Niners. I don't want to see them get into a spot like the Warriors are in where they can't make moves because of salary reasons. The NBA has so many rules on what you can and can't do that GM's must lay awake at night .

The NBA is much easier to make moves since the cap isn't a hard cap 99% of the time.

I disagree. The NBA has all the stuff like mathcing contracts and max deals. Many NBA deals require that multi teams get involved to make the deal work. You don't see that in the NFL. Either you can fit the player into your salary structure or you can't.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

There are implications that a lot of deals are agreed to but Kuminga has to move first.

I do wonder how far they can make their available money go.

Horford and Melton are supposedly as done as possible at the moment. Lot's of talk about a BUNCH of other players ... but it's all waiting on progress with Kuminga, either him staying or going.

I know it's a differfnet sport with different rules but this is exactly what I'm concerned about with the Niners. I don't want to see them get into a spot like the Warriors are in where they can't make moves because of salary reasons. The NBA has so many rules on what you can and can't do that GM's must lay awake at night .

The NBA is much easier to make moves since the cap isn't a hard cap 99% of the time.

I disagree. The NBA has all the stuff like mathcing contracts and max deals. Many NBA deals require that multi teams get involved to make the deal work. You don't see that in the NFL. Either you can fit the player into your salary structure or you can't.

How many NFL teams are under the cap? You know it's ALL of them right ... the NBA has 2 teams under the cap. In the NBA you can be $1B over the cap and STILL sign all your draft picks, 1 veteran for ~$6M, and as many vet minimum deals as they want (and the vet minimum deals don't all count against the cap).

The NBA cap is WAY WAY WAY easier to deal with than the NFL cap which is absolute. Sure there are lots of rules about what you can and can't do but if you look at the list of options when you are over the cap the NBA has lots of options and the NFL has 1 option, get under the cap. When the Broncos and 49ers had accounting errors that may have meant they were over the cap an unknown amount they were fined and lost draft picks, and the penalties get much much worse from there.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

There are implications that a lot of deals are agreed to but Kuminga has to move first.

I do wonder how far they can make their available money go.

Horford and Melton are supposedly as done as possible at the moment. Lot's of talk about a BUNCH of other players ... but it's all waiting on progress with Kuminga, either him staying or going.

I know it's a differfnet sport with different rules but this is exactly what I'm concerned about with the Niners. I don't want to see them get into a spot like the Warriors are in where they can't make moves because of salary reasons. The NBA has so many rules on what you can and can't do that GM's must lay awake at night .

The NBA is much easier to make moves since the cap isn't a hard cap 99% of the time.

I disagree. The NBA has all the stuff like mathcing contracts and max deals. Many NBA deals require that multi teams get involved to make the deal work. You don't see that in the NFL. Either you can fit the player into your salary structure or you can't.

It's also much easier to get out of NFL contracts compared to NBA contracts where roughly 80 percent of them are fully guaranteed.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Niners making noise with the Jennngs issue and new look for the season. Giants making noise with trades and continued lack of runs'

Warriors. No news. The tersam that's had ther most recent success and made some of ther biggest moves is strangely quiet.

There are implications that a lot of deals are agreed to but Kuminga has to move first.

I do wonder how far they can make their available money go.

Horford and Melton are supposedly as done as possible at the moment. Lot's of talk about a BUNCH of other players ... but it's all waiting on progress with Kuminga, either him staying or going.

I know it's a differfnet sport with different rules but this is exactly what I'm concerned about with the Niners. I don't want to see them get into a spot like the Warriors are in where they can't make moves because of salary reasons. The NBA has so many rules on what you can and can't do that GM's must lay awake at night .

The NBA is much easier to make moves since the cap isn't a hard cap 99% of the time.

I disagree. The NBA has all the stuff like mathcing contracts and max deals. Many NBA deals require that multi teams get involved to make the deal work. You don't see that in the NFL. Either you can fit the player into your salary structure or you can't.

It's also much easier to get out of NFL contracts compared to NBA contracts where roughly 80 percent of them are fully guaranteed.

That is true ... at the moment it's true ... supposedly that is going to be a target of the NFLPA next CBA.

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