2014 NBA Draft Thread

Im a Sixers fan and i actually hate what they did in the draft. I dont hate the players they picked but the fact that they wont be on the court together for a couple years is what i hate

I probably would have rather drafted Randle and Mcbuckets and paired them with MCW and Noel and allow them to grow together as a team

I do love the swag Saric has though. Philly will love him. Just sucks we have to wait and theres a small chance we will never see him over here

Originally posted by Knowledge:
Im a Sixers fan and i actually hate what they did in the draft. I dont hate the players they picked but the fact that they wont be on the court together for a couple years is what i hate

I probably would have rather drafted Randle and Mcbuckets and paired them with MCW and Noel and allow them to grow together as a team

I do love the swag Saric has though. Philly will love him. Just sucks we have to wait and theres a small chance we will never see him over here

And if they did that you have a team that at best would be mediocre and a 7-8 seed in a couple of years. Sure, more fun to watch now but why not dream bigger?

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Knowledge:
Im a Sixers fan and i actually hate what they did in the draft. I dont hate the players they picked but the fact that they wont be on the court together for a couple years is what i hate

I probably would have rather drafted Randle and Mcbuckets and paired them with MCW and Noel and allow them to grow together as a team

I do love the swag Saric has though. Philly will love him. Just sucks we have to wait and theres a small chance we will never see him over here

And if they did that you have a team that at best would be mediocre and a 7-8 seed in a couple of years. Sure, more fun to watch now but why not dream bigger?

team would still have a high lottery pick next year and tons of FA money....Sure the upside isnt as high(although im a big fan of Randle) but its just not as risky as taking two players that wont even play for years

Originally posted by Knowledge:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Knowledge:
Im a Sixers fan and i actually hate what they did in the draft. I dont hate the players they picked but the fact that they wont be on the court together for a couple years is what i hate

I probably would have rather drafted Randle and Mcbuckets and paired them with MCW and Noel and allow them to grow together as a team

I do love the swag Saric has though. Philly will love him. Just sucks we have to wait and theres a small chance we will never see him over here

And if they did that you have a team that at best would be mediocre and a 7-8 seed in a couple of years. Sure, more fun to watch now but why not dream bigger?

team would still have a high lottery pick next year and tons of FA money....Sure the upside isnt as high(although im a big fan of Randle) but its just not as risky as taking two players that wont even play for years

Embiid wont play for years? Really?

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Knowledge:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Knowledge:
Im a Sixers fan and i actually hate what they did in the draft. I dont hate the players they picked but the fact that they wont be on the court together for a couple years is what i hate

I probably would have rather drafted Randle and Mcbuckets and paired them with MCW and Noel and allow them to grow together as a team

I do love the swag Saric has though. Philly will love him. Just sucks we have to wait and theres a small chance we will never see him over here

And if they did that you have a team that at best would be mediocre and a 7-8 seed in a couple of years. Sure, more fun to watch now but why not dream bigger?

team would still have a high lottery pick next year and tons of FA money....Sure the upside isnt as high(although im a big fan of Randle) but its just not as risky as taking two players that wont even play for years

Embiid wont play for years? Really?

definitely not playing this year. Saric 2 years maybe 3 maybe never who knows

Embiid definitely won't play next year. Sixers GM basically confirmed he's getting shut down. The injury itself only takes 4-6 months to heal with about an 85%-90% recovery rate. Then he'll need to rehab and I'd imagine the medical staff will want to put him on a new diet and add some muscle on him. I'd imagine the earliest he'd be available is by the end of the year which by then, there's really no point in thrusting him out there anyway.

Don't love the foot injury and I get Embiid is a risk but he was clearly the BPA. A good quote I came across is that injuries aren't the only risk your taking on draft day - mediocrity is one too.

Saric pick threw me off tho, he's still under contract with another team overseas so who knows when he'll be available.

Not a Sixers fan so it's not my place to away the fans this way or the other. You guys will likely suck next year and probably the year after and that's got to be tiring as a fan (I'm a Warriors fan that's experienced terrible Warriors teams over the years, it's awful). But I think if at least 2 of the 3 (Embiid, Noel, Saric) pan out, plus the lottery pick you guys will likely get next year, I think you're in pretty good shape for the future.

Has Jason Kidd ever left a destination on good terms?

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by 4ML:
How did Sixers got great value for Payton? They moved back 2 spots and picked Saric...got a 2nd round pick from Orlando in 2015...and got the pick (2017) they traded to Orlando in Dwight Howard trade back. That pick was top 11 protected for 2017 and top 8 for 2018.

They got a mid-1st round pick & a 2nd in exchange for moving 2 spots back. .That's great value.

I don't know...Saric is gonna be Europe for couple years and once he moves to the NBA, IF he does - it will take him couple years to adjust. ROI is at least 4 years...

...and if Sixers continue to be near the bottom for next 3 years (wouldn't be a surprise considering all the risks they've taken one of them may very well blow up in their face) they may end up with just couple of 2nd round picks in 2019.

Would have kept Payton or someone who can shoot a little better in LaVine and bring him along slowly at SG next to MCW. They could have still easily tanked another year...while developing their young talent.

That's how I see it. I may be totally wrong...but I feel you have to go through a couple years of early exits from the playoffs to really learn how to win in playoffs. If you're a s**tty team - drafting guys who are not going to play from the start - it really sets you back. You're not even contending for playoffs...and playing in playoffs or in meaningful games in a huge part of maturing...both mentally and physically.

Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Has Jason Kidd ever left a destination on good terms?

The dude didn't even leave college on good terms. When he was a freshman he started a mutiny and got the coach fired... I can't stand that alcoholic woman-beater.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Originally posted by 4ML:
How did Sixers got great value for Payton? They moved back 2 spots and picked Saric...got a 2nd round pick from Orlando in 2015...and got the pick (2017) they traded to Orlando in Dwight Howard trade back. That pick was top 11 protected for 2017 and top 8 for 2018.

They got a mid-1st round pick & a 2nd in exchange for moving 2 spots back. .That's great value.

I don't know...Saric is gonna be Europe for couple years and once he moves to the NBA, IF he does - it will take him couple years to adjust. ROI is at least 4 years...

...and if Sixers continue to be near the bottom for next 3 years (wouldn't be a surprise considering all the risks they've taken one of them may very well blow up in their face) they may end up with just couple of 2nd round picks in 2019.

Would have kept Payton or someone who can shoot a little better in LaVine and bring him along slowly at SG next to MCW. They could have still easily tanked another year...while developing their young talent.

That's how I see it. I may be totally wrong...but I feel you have to go through a couple years of early exits from the playoffs to really learn how to win in playoffs. If you're a s**tty team - drafting guys who are not going to play from the start - it really sets you back. You're not even contending for playoffs...and playing in playoffs or in meaningful games in a huge part of maturing...both mentally and physically.

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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Was out of town this weekend but watched the draft.

-Happy with Randle. All I wanted was the Lakers to draft the BPA, regardless of position, and that was Randle at that point.

-Aaron Gordon was the first surprise of the draft, but I totally get what Orlando is trying to do. Between Oladipo, Gordon, & Payton, they have 3 of the best defensive prospects in the last two drafts. They're going to have to find someone who can put the ball in the bucket, but they have a clear and concise plan that I can respect.

-Same with Philly. They're basically doing the same thing the Niners are doing, in terms of redshirting talent. They're going to be a handful in about 3 years, especially if Embiid can maintain some degree of health. They got quite a haul for Payton as well.

-I love Marcus Smart and hated seeing him get selected by Boston, but they got a whole lot of guys who can't shoot in that backcourt now. (Rondo, Bradley, Smart) Can't see them not moving one of those guys.

-Phoenix had an excellent draft. Good value with each pick.

Great post. Agreed with everything except Philly. I'm just not sure the redshirting talent idea can work in the NBA. It works for the 49ers because we had the depth in place and the luxury. Philly might have gotten great talent, but its quite risky when you are counting on these guys to all live up to their potential. It would be similar to us drafting lattimore, carradine and Brandon Thomas, but not having gore, Justin smith and mike iupati on the team at the time.

Who would you have drafted over Embiid that could truly be a franchise maker? I would say no one. Why not swing for the fences there and take the guy who can possibly get this team to become one of the best teams in the East in 3-4 years. The 76ers were going to suck next year no matter who they selected.

Exum has a similar upside with a similar amount of unknown risk.

A friend of mine is a huge Sixers fan, and he was pissed that they took Embiid over Exum. Especially since they have Noel already.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Was out of town this weekend but watched the draft.

-Happy with Randle. All I wanted was the Lakers to draft the BPA, regardless of position, and that was Randle at that point.

-Aaron Gordon was the first surprise of the draft, but I totally get what Orlando is trying to do. Between Oladipo, Gordon, & Payton, they have 3 of the best defensive prospects in the last two drafts. They're going to have to find someone who can put the ball in the bucket, but they have a clear and concise plan that I can respect.

-Same with Philly. They're basically doing the same thing the Niners are doing, in terms of redshirting talent. They're going to be a handful in about 3 years, especially if Embiid can maintain some degree of health. They got quite a haul for Payton as well.

-I love Marcus Smart and hated seeing him get selected by Boston, but they got a whole lot of guys who can't shoot in that backcourt now. (Rondo, Bradley, Smart) Can't see them not moving one of those guys.

-Phoenix had an excellent draft. Good value with each pick.

Great post. Agreed with everything except Philly. I'm just not sure the redshirting talent idea can work in the NBA. It works for the 49ers because we had the depth in place and the luxury. Philly might have gotten great talent, but its quite risky when you are counting on these guys to all live up to their potential. It would be similar to us drafting lattimore, carradine and Brandon Thomas, but not having gore, Justin smith and mike iupati on the team at the time.

Who would you have drafted over Embiid that could truly be a franchise maker? I would say no one. Why not swing for the fences there and take the guy who can possibly get this team to become one of the best teams in the East in 3-4 years. The 76ers were going to suck next year no matter who they selected.

Exum has a similar upside with a similar amount of unknown risk.

A friend of mine is a huge Sixers fan, and he was pissed that they took Embiid over Exum. Especially since they have Noel already.

Dont agree at all. Embiid would have easily been the #1 pick if he hadnt been hurt. No way Exum has the same upside especially when you consider the size.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Was out of town this weekend but watched the draft.

-Happy with Randle. All I wanted was the Lakers to draft the BPA, regardless of position, and that was Randle at that point.

-Aaron Gordon was the first surprise of the draft, but I totally get what Orlando is trying to do. Between Oladipo, Gordon, & Payton, they have 3 of the best defensive prospects in the last two drafts. They're going to have to find someone who can put the ball in the bucket, but they have a clear and concise plan that I can respect.

-Same with Philly. They're basically doing the same thing the Niners are doing, in terms of redshirting talent. They're going to be a handful in about 3 years, especially if Embiid can maintain some degree of health. They got quite a haul for Payton as well.

-I love Marcus Smart and hated seeing him get selected by Boston, but they got a whole lot of guys who can't shoot in that backcourt now. (Rondo, Bradley, Smart) Can't see them not moving one of those guys.

-Phoenix had an excellent draft. Good value with each pick.

Great post. Agreed with everything except Philly. I'm just not sure the redshirting talent idea can work in the NBA. It works for the 49ers because we had the depth in place and the luxury. Philly might have gotten great talent, but its quite risky when you are counting on these guys to all live up to their potential. It would be similar to us drafting lattimore, carradine and Brandon Thomas, but not having gore, Justin smith and mike iupati on the team at the time.

Who would you have drafted over Embiid that could truly be a franchise maker? I would say no one. Why not swing for the fences there and take the guy who can possibly get this team to become one of the best teams in the East in 3-4 years. The 76ers were going to suck next year no matter who they selected.

Exum has a similar upside with a similar amount of unknown risk.

A friend of mine is a huge Sixers fan, and he was pissed that they took Embiid over Exum. Especially since they have Noel already.

Dont agree at all. Embiid would have easily been the #1 pick if he hadnt been hurt. No way Exum has the same upside especially when you consider the size.

Scouts have said that as soon as Exum walks onto the court in the first game of next season, he will automatically become the fastest player in the NBA. Hes got some work to do on his defense and shooting, but as far as ball handling, first step, driving the lane, competitive fire, etc, hes an elite prospect. Plus he will just be turning 19 in July.

One NBA scout said hes the closest thing to Kobe Bryant hes seen since they scouted Kobe. Maybe not quite as athletic, but in the same range in potential. Every team that interviewed him said he tested off the charts in all their character and competitiveness tests.

Part of Embiid's value is the Hakeem Olajuwon comparison. Hes an African 7 footer with great footwork in the paint. The fact that teams compare him to a guy who ended up being a Hall of Fame Center who won an MVP and 2 rings doesnt hurt.

I think both players came in as the 2 biggest "boom or bust" guys in the draft. Both have the abilities to be superstars, but both are raw enough and have enough question marks that mean theres a chance it doesnt work out.

If I were Philadelphia, I want a guy with a similar ceiling, but at a position they are in more need of.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Was out of town this weekend but watched the draft.

-Happy with Randle. All I wanted was the Lakers to draft the BPA, regardless of position, and that was Randle at that point.

-Aaron Gordon was the first surprise of the draft, but I totally get what Orlando is trying to do. Between Oladipo, Gordon, & Payton, they have 3 of the best defensive prospects in the last two drafts. They're going to have to find someone who can put the ball in the bucket, but they have a clear and concise plan that I can respect.

-Same with Philly. They're basically doing the same thing the Niners are doing, in terms of redshirting talent. They're going to be a handful in about 3 years, especially if Embiid can maintain some degree of health. They got quite a haul for Payton as well.

-I love Marcus Smart and hated seeing him get selected by Boston, but they got a whole lot of guys who can't shoot in that backcourt now. (Rondo, Bradley, Smart) Can't see them not moving one of those guys.

-Phoenix had an excellent draft. Good value with each pick.

Great post. Agreed with everything except Philly. I'm just not sure the redshirting talent idea can work in the NBA. It works for the 49ers because we had the depth in place and the luxury. Philly might have gotten great talent, but its quite risky when you are counting on these guys to all live up to their potential. It would be similar to us drafting lattimore, carradine and Brandon Thomas, but not having gore, Justin smith and mike iupati on the team at the time.

Who would you have drafted over Embiid that could truly be a franchise maker? I would say no one. Why not swing for the fences there and take the guy who can possibly get this team to become one of the best teams in the East in 3-4 years. The 76ers were going to suck next year no matter who they selected.

Exum has a similar upside with a similar amount of unknown risk.

A friend of mine is a huge Sixers fan, and he was pissed that they took Embiid over Exum. Especially since they have Noel already.

Dont agree at all. Embiid would have easily been the #1 pick if he hadnt been hurt. No way Exum has the same upside especially when you consider the size.

Scouts have said that as soon as Exum walks onto the court in the first game of next season, he will automatically become the fastest player in the NBA. Hes got some work to do on his defense and shooting, but as far as ball handling, first step, driving the lane, competitive fire, etc, hes an elite prospect. Plus he will just be turning 19 in July.

One NBA scout said hes the closest thing to Kobe Bryant hes seen since they scouted Kobe. Maybe not quite as athletic, but in the same range in potential. Every team that interviewed him said he tested off the charts in all their character and competitiveness tests.

Part of Embiid's value is the Hakeem Olajuwon comparison. Hes an African 7 footer with great footwork in the paint. The fact that teams compare him to a guy who ended up being a Hall of Fame Center who won an MVP and 2 rings doesnt hurt.

I think both players came in as the 2 biggest "boom or bust" guys in the draft. Both have the abilities to be superstars, but both are raw enough and have enough question marks that mean theres a chance it doesnt work out.

If I were Philadelphia, I want a guy with a similar ceiling, but at a position they are in more need of.

I want the guy who is most likely to help my franchise win a title. If both players reach their potential that player is Embiid in my opinion. I guess the Philly GM agrees with me.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by phatbutskinny:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Was out of town this weekend but watched the draft.

-Happy with Randle. All I wanted was the Lakers to draft the BPA, regardless of position, and that was Randle at that point.

-Aaron Gordon was the first surprise of the draft, but I totally get what Orlando is trying to do. Between Oladipo, Gordon, & Payton, they have 3 of the best defensive prospects in the last two drafts. They're going to have to find someone who can put the ball in the bucket, but they have a clear and concise plan that I can respect.

-Same with Philly. They're basically doing the same thing the Niners are doing, in terms of redshirting talent. They're going to be a handful in about 3 years, especially if Embiid can maintain some degree of health. They got quite a haul for Payton as well.

-I love Marcus Smart and hated seeing him get selected by Boston, but they got a whole lot of guys who can't shoot in that backcourt now. (Rondo, Bradley, Smart) Can't see them not moving one of those guys.

-Phoenix had an excellent draft. Good value with each pick.

Great post. Agreed with everything except Philly. I'm just not sure the redshirting talent idea can work in the NBA. It works for the 49ers because we had the depth in place and the luxury. Philly might have gotten great talent, but its quite risky when you are counting on these guys to all live up to their potential. It would be similar to us drafting lattimore, carradine and Brandon Thomas, but not having gore, Justin smith and mike iupati on the team at the time.

Who would you have drafted over Embiid that could truly be a franchise maker? I would say no one. Why not swing for the fences there and take the guy who can possibly get this team to become one of the best teams in the East in 3-4 years. The 76ers were going to suck next year no matter who they selected.

Exum has a similar upside with a similar amount of unknown risk.

A friend of mine is a huge Sixers fan, and he was pissed that they took Embiid over Exum. Especially since they have Noel already.

Dont agree at all. Embiid would have easily been the #1 pick if he hadnt been hurt. No way Exum has the same upside especially when you consider the size.

Scouts have said that as soon as Exum walks onto the court in the first game of next season, he will automatically become the fastest player in the NBA. Hes got some work to do on his defense and shooting, but as far as ball handling, first step, driving the lane, competitive fire, etc, hes an elite prospect. Plus he will just be turning 19 in July.

One NBA scout said hes the closest thing to Kobe Bryant hes seen since they scouted Kobe. Maybe not quite as athletic, but in the same range in potential. Every team that interviewed him said he tested off the charts in all their character and competitiveness tests.

Part of Embiid's value is the Hakeem Olajuwon comparison. Hes an African 7 footer with great footwork in the paint. The fact that teams compare him to a guy who ended up being a Hall of Fame Center who won an MVP and 2 rings doesnt hurt.

I think both players came in as the 2 biggest "boom or bust" guys in the draft. Both have the abilities to be superstars, but both are raw enough and have enough question marks that mean theres a chance it doesnt work out.

If I were Philadelphia, I want a guy with a similar ceiling, but at a position they are in more need of.

I want the guy who is most likely to help my franchise win a title. If both players reach their potential that player is Embiid in my opinion. I guess the Philly GM agrees with me.

Because a GM has never made a mistake before...