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Nov 11, 2011 at 4:13 AM
- pantstickle
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I hope it gets done soon so I can update my 2K12 roster! Oh yeah, and so I can watch basketball games.
Nov 11, 2011 at 4:48 AM
- njninersfan420
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just saw a report that nets employees were told to be ready to go to work.(yes im a net fan, yes i know they suck)
Nov 11, 2011 at 1:14 PM
- pdizo916
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I heard on the espn ticker that the players will probably reject the deal. I don't know who to believe but if the players reject this deal....
Nov 11, 2011 at 1:17 PM
- Jcool
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ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
RT @MikeWellsNBA: Pacers player rep Danny Granger said early indications are that the league's latest offer will be rejected by the NBPA
Nov 11, 2011 at 3:28 PM
- crzy
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I'm one of the biggest NBA fans on the planet. But honestly I don't give a f**k anymore about this lockout anymore. Go Niners.
Nov 11, 2011 at 4:59 PM
- LA9erFan
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Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
I heard on the espn ticker that the players will probably reject the deal. I don't know who to believe but if the players reject this deal....
Well, after finding out more about it, I wouldn't blame them.
How about the clause that allows the NBA to send any player with 5 years or less down to the D-League, and then the player's salary is adjusted to $75K per year? Or the de facto elimination of Bird Rights? Ridiculous. The owners obviously don't want to make a deal.
[ Edited by LA9erFan on Nov 11, 2011 at 5:03 PM ]
Nov 11, 2011 at 5:16 PM
- Jcool
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Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Well, after finding out more about it, I wouldn't blame them.
How about the clause that allows the NBA to send any player with 5 years or less down to the D-League, and then the player's salary is adjusted to $75K per year? Or the de facto elimination of Bird Rights? Ridiculous. The owners obviously don't want to make a deal.
Eh the deal out there is still the best deal out of any sport. The longer the players hold out the worse the deal will get.
Nov 11, 2011 at 5:32 PM
- Hopper
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Originally posted by Jcool:
ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
RT @MikeWellsNBA: Pacers player rep Danny Granger said early indications are that the league's latest offer will be rejected by the NBPA
I'm starting to hope they just cancel the entire season. I don't have the patience for this BS.
Nov 11, 2011 at 5:35 PM
- Ninerjohn
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Originally posted by crzy:
I'm one of the biggest NBA fans on the planet. But honestly I don't give a f**k anymore about this lockout anymore. Go Niners.
Amen brother. I couldnt care less about the NBA right now.
Nov 11, 2011 at 5:44 PM
- 9erReign
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Hurry up and cancel the season, nobody cares.
Nov 11, 2011 at 6:00 PM
- MuggD
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As much as I'd like to see my young Kings team, I'm down for a complete cancellation if it can put these players in check. I've grown kind of sick of the personalities in the NBA over the years.
Nov 11, 2011 at 10:41 PM
- pdizo916
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Originally posted by 9erReign:
Hurry up and cancel the season, nobody cares.
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Nov 12, 2011 at 2:44 PM
- LA9erFan
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Excerpts from a letter from Etan Thomas, union VP. 
-To his credit, David Stern can spin information with the best of them. That being said, I have not met one player who, after fully understanding the particulars of the NBA's proposal, concluded that this is an acceptable deal. So my question is, what will it take for the NBA CEOs to understand that they are not going to be able to manipulate the players through the media?
-The NBA CEOs know that their proposed system functions as a hard cap, because no team will be willing to pay that strict a penalty for going over the luxury tax. Do they think the players can't see that?
-Are the NBA CEOs convinced the union can't figure out that the way in which they constructed and defined the mid-level exception, no team will ever use it?
-Did the NBA CEOs believe with Michael Jordan to the negotiating table we were going to be intimidated or awed to the point that this awful deal would start to look more attractive to us?
-David Stern obviously issued his "terrible deal now or even worse deal" later ultimatum because he wanted to scare the players into meeting his every demand. Did he really expect that his threat would cause the union to come running with apologies for being bad employees and beg him to let us go back to work?
-When someone buys a fast-food franchise, they don't just get keys and a congratulations card. They receive instructions on how to successfully operate the business. Instead of the NBA CEOs attempting to create rules to save them from from themselves , wouldn't the NBA be better off with a training session by David Stern, teaching each NBA CEO how to successfully run his business and avoid the pitfalls of CEOs past?
-Why wouldn't the NBA consider a rollback on the salaries of the presidents and general managers who mismanaged their teams and were the ones ultimately responsible for their financial problems?
-During the NFL's lockout, Troy Polamalu said, "I think what the players are fighting for is something bigger. A lot of people think it's millionaires versus billionaires and that's the huge argument. The fact is, it's people fighting against big business. The big business argument is, 'I got the money and I got the power, therefore, I can tell you what to do.' That's life everywhere. I think this is a time when the football players are standing up saying, 'No, no, no, the people have the power.'" Isn't it interesting how the common theme here is power and greed?
-If your boss came to you and said, "Listen, I know we are coming off of record overall profits as far as overall revenue and the most lucrative year in history but we have made some individual decisions that we are not happy with and we need you to take massive pay cuts. We need you to agree to construct the rules so that we can no longer make those mistakes, and we want you to make it easier for us to get rid of you if we choose." What would your reaction be? Would you say "Some money is better than no money," or would you gather the rest of your fellow employees and stand up for yourselves?

-To his credit, David Stern can spin information with the best of them. That being said, I have not met one player who, after fully understanding the particulars of the NBA's proposal, concluded that this is an acceptable deal. So my question is, what will it take for the NBA CEOs to understand that they are not going to be able to manipulate the players through the media?
-The NBA CEOs know that their proposed system functions as a hard cap, because no team will be willing to pay that strict a penalty for going over the luxury tax. Do they think the players can't see that?
-Are the NBA CEOs convinced the union can't figure out that the way in which they constructed and defined the mid-level exception, no team will ever use it?
-Did the NBA CEOs believe with Michael Jordan to the negotiating table we were going to be intimidated or awed to the point that this awful deal would start to look more attractive to us?
-David Stern obviously issued his "terrible deal now or even worse deal" later ultimatum because he wanted to scare the players into meeting his every demand. Did he really expect that his threat would cause the union to come running with apologies for being bad employees and beg him to let us go back to work?
-When someone buys a fast-food franchise, they don't just get keys and a congratulations card. They receive instructions on how to successfully operate the business. Instead of the NBA CEOs attempting to create rules to save them from from themselves , wouldn't the NBA be better off with a training session by David Stern, teaching each NBA CEO how to successfully run his business and avoid the pitfalls of CEOs past?
-Why wouldn't the NBA consider a rollback on the salaries of the presidents and general managers who mismanaged their teams and were the ones ultimately responsible for their financial problems?
-During the NFL's lockout, Troy Polamalu said, "I think what the players are fighting for is something bigger. A lot of people think it's millionaires versus billionaires and that's the huge argument. The fact is, it's people fighting against big business. The big business argument is, 'I got the money and I got the power, therefore, I can tell you what to do.' That's life everywhere. I think this is a time when the football players are standing up saying, 'No, no, no, the people have the power.'" Isn't it interesting how the common theme here is power and greed?
-If your boss came to you and said, "Listen, I know we are coming off of record overall profits as far as overall revenue and the most lucrative year in history but we have made some individual decisions that we are not happy with and we need you to take massive pay cuts. We need you to agree to construct the rules so that we can no longer make those mistakes, and we want you to make it easier for us to get rid of you if we choose." What would your reaction be? Would you say "Some money is better than no money," or would you gather the rest of your fellow employees and stand up for yourselves?
Nov 12, 2011 at 2:52 PM
- YungAce
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Originally posted by niners4lyfe:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Hurry up and cancel the season, nobody cares.
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yeah, i don't care anymore
Nov 12, 2011 at 3:08 PM
- TheSixthRing
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Today's interesting ESPN article title:
LeBron, Gay star in Mississippi charity game
LeBron, Gay star in Mississippi charity game