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49ers @ Cleveland, 10:00 AM, Pre-game thread

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Originally posted by mitpdub:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

I have a feeling we were going for a run heavy game plan regardless. If we stuff the run better than them, we win. It's probably really as simple as that.

Damn we're going to have to deal with Brock and the 9 & 3/4 hand size again.

If the weather is half as bad as it was today, I suspect Brian Robinson Jr. will be heavily utilized. He's a straight, up and down, snow plow it down the middle type of runner. While CMC can and does hit people, he's a little more shifty. His ability to cut back can break ankles. But I don't see that ability working if it's really coming down. I also look for heavy Kittle and other TE usage. Which takes the pressure off Brock's hands. I hope.
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Sanders is somehow going to outplay baby hands Brock if there is snow/rain
If the niners offense scores over 21 points at Cleveland i will not s**t on shanahan the rest of the season.
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
This "Type" of Inclimate weather Games give me PTSD . That game in 2004/5 ish if memory serves me correct, Where the 'Cowboy" Cody Picket went like 2/20 for like 9 yards total and the 49ers lost on a Missed field GA That the bears returned for like 133 yards....
Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Their D is going to massacre us. Calling it now.

Garrett will have 4 sacks and Maliek Collins is going to wreck our interior.

Purdy will have 3 INT's after trying to play hero ball

We lose in Cleveland. Again.

Cleveland 17
Niners 13

The concern I have for the Niners isn't Purdy or the OL per se, but the Shanahan/Schwartz battle.

I asked ChatGPT to educate me on why Kyle can't beat Schwartz. It said that Schwartz attacks up hill very aggressively and doesn't respect the horizontal zone game. The Niners might need the Eagles OL to pull off a typical outside zone type game with success against Schwartz, and even then maybe not.

It requires a more gap based power scheme to counter. Kyle doing a Belichick imitation would run power a lot in this game and BRob over CMC (but CMC still involved of course).

"Features of Schwartz's system: Wide-9 ends screaming upfield

1-gap DTs who explode vertically, not read

Linebackers scraping fast downhill

Minimal gap-and-a-half; all 1-gap urgency

No patience, all disruption

This kills zone run timing because:

The OL can't reach their landmarks

Double teams never settle long enough to overtake

The aiming point of outside zone gets pushed 1–2 yards deeper

RB reads become muddy and late

Shanahan's whole offense is built on "dictating leverage."
Schwartz refuses to be dictated to."

💥 2. Schwartz Takes Away Play-Action Because He Doesn't Need to Honor the Run Normal defenses react to the zone run action → linebackers step up → throwing lanes open.

Schwartz says:
"I don't care about your fake. My front wins without honoring it."

Why it works:

His DL attacks the QB before the play-action fake completes

LBs only step if run is 100% declared

DEs don't squeeze, they fly upfield — forcing the QB to shorten or redirect

The "over routes" and "glance routes" Kyle lives on don't have time to develop

It's one of the only schemes where:

Play-action actually becomes worse for the offense.

⚡ 3. Schwartz Stresses Elite Tackling & DB Trigger Kyle's YAC monsters (Kittle, CMC) punish poor tackling.

Schwartz defenses are:

Aggressive downhill

Simple rules → fast triggering

DBs taught to kill the catch point or "Tackle Through"

Kyle's best explosives come from:

Leak routes

Drift routes

Crossers breaking back across grain

Pin-and-post combos

Schwartz's guys rally instantly on anything horizontal or intermediate.

Shanahan is used to defenses panicking.
Schwartz defenses never panic.

🧱 4. Schwartz Plays Simple Coverage That Solves Kyle's Complexity This is counterintuitive but devastating.

Shanahan's superpower:

Make the defense wrong with motion, shifts, and flow-manipulation.

Schwartz's answer:

Don't shift. Don't rotate. Don't change structure.

Cover 3 or Cover 1, mostly static shells.

Trust 4-man rush to do the work.

When the defense doesn't rotate:

Kyle loses his easy pre-snap advantage

His "illusion of complexity" has no effect

The QB has no tells to exploit

Progression timing is off

Schwartz forces:
"Just beat us straight up."

Kyle is a "make you wrong" coach, not a "beat you straight up" coach.

🧨 5. Schwartz's Worst Matchups Happen to Match Kyle's Best Concepts Schwartz loses to:

QB run game

RPO-heavy teams

Box-count manipulators

Spread formations

Shanahan is:

Under center

Play-action heavy

No QB run

Condensed formations ("reduced splits")

He walks right into Schwartz's kill zone.

🔍 6. The 2023 Browns Game Was the Pure Blueprint That game put the final stamp on the matchup problem.

Schwartz's Browns:

Destroyed SF's motion timing

Beat every outside zone with vertical penetration

Erased the drift and glance concepts

Reduced Purdy's average depth of target to almost nothing

Forced SF into 3rd-and-long repeatedly

Won with four rushers all game

You know Kyle LOVES being in 2nd-and-5.
Schwartz kept him in 2nd-and-11.

🕵?‍♂? 7. "Schwartz Solves Shanahan, But Shanahan Solves McVay" Triangle This is the fun meta layer.

Shanahan destroys McVay because his fronts kill McVay's inside-zone & wide-zone structure.

Schwartz destroys Shanahan because vertical fronts break outside-zone + play action.

McVay actually handles Schwartz better due to shotgun, quick game, and RPOs.

It's a rock / paper / scissors loop at the highest level.

🧭 What Shanahan Needs to Beat Schwartz If you want, I can break this down in detail, but the short list is:

✔ More shotgun ✔ More gap schemes (duo, power) ✔ Sprint-out and fast RPOs ✔ Move the launch point more aggressively ✔ Screens EARLY, not late ✔ Quick game from condensed sets ✔ Edge-read options (even without QB run threat) If you want, I'll show you:

"Kyle Shanahan's exact blueprint to beat a Schwartz defense once and for all."
Funny point to the final stuff above....

I recall the first drive of that last Browns game was very up tempo and the Niners seemed to go down the field very fast, then we abandoned that afterwards.
Based on the Schwartz angle, if the 49ers win this game, it will be the biggest win of the season to me.

Kyle right now only really loses to two coordinators: Schwartz and Spagnuolo.

I normally like the Browns and root for them and their story, but I would absolutely love to blow them the f*** out this Sunday.
[ Edited by JTsBiggestFan on Nov 28, 2025 at 4:49 PM ]
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Sanders is somehow going to outplay baby hands Brock if there is snow/rain

Their hand size is 1/8th of an inch difference.
Can we just get chat GPT to call the plays then?

Because Shanahan won't budge and we don't have the Oline to run a power gap scheme
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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If the niners offense scores over 21 points at Cleveland i will not s**t on shanahan the rest of the season.

First, I don't believe you. Second, If the Niners win 13-10, they'll be 9-4 with ALL of their injuries, so you'd just make yourself look worse by continuing those antics.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Sanders is somehow going to outplay baby hands Brock if there is snow/rain

Their hand size is 1/8th of an inch difference.

Lol
Go 49ers
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Niners need to take a page out of this one...

We need 5 ypc to win
Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Niners need to take a page out of this one...


Lol
That was such a great game.
F the Packers always
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