49ers trade for DE Bryce Huff

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by maxsmart:
It's not just the 3rd round that they've sucked, they've busted 80% in the first four rounds.
Over their first 7 drafts in the first 4 rounds, Shana-Lynch has made 21 poor draft picks and only 5 good picks. So only one in five picks were good. And 80% of their picks in rds 1-4 were really bad. It's amazing that they are good as they have been!

Total Busted draft picks for Shana-Lynch era in rounds 1-4:
Total of 21 bad draft picks in their first 7 drafts (21 bad out of 27 total picks)

2017
Rd
1 Solomon Thomas (#3 overall pick)
2 Reuben Foster (#30 overall)
3 Ahkello Witherspoon
3 C. J. Beathard
4 Joe Williams
2018
1 Mike McGlinchey (#9 overall) 25 future pro-bowlers were still available
2 Dante Pettis
3 Tarvarius Moore
4 Kentavius Street
2019
3 Jalen Hurd
4 Mitch Wishnowsky
2020
1 Javon Kinlaw (#15 overall)
2021
1 Trey Lance #3 overall – traded 3 first round picks
3 Trey Sermon
3 Ambry Thomas
2022
2 Drake Jackson
3 Tyrion Davis-Price
3 Danny Gray
2023
3 Ji'Ayir Brown
3 Jake Moody
3 Cameron Latu

Good draft picks for ShanaLynch era in rounds 1-4: for first seven years from 2017 -2023
Total of 5 good draft picks in their first 7 drafts! (that's 5 out of 27 total picks)
2017
Zero
2018
3 Fred Warner
2019
1 Nick Bosa (#2 overall)
2 Deebo Samuel (#35 overall)
2020
1 Brandon Aiyuk
2021
2 Aaron Banks

Your logic for a bust must be a player should be a pro bowl level player if not they are a bust? That's fine but that's not the logic most people tend to use. According to your logic 80% is probably the league average honestly.

Truth, 80% sounds bad, but is meaningless unless you pull the same data for the other 31 teams in that period. If all the other teams miss 75% of the picks, now it isn't so bad.

Also, the Lance trade was a pick swap and 2 1st round picks, not 3 1sts. Big difference, it didn't pan out, but that wording makes it sound far worse. Personally, I like the aggressive move to get a young QB when it was clear that JG couldn't stay healthy but Fields and Lance both suck -- I was a Fields guy.

Originally posted by DASeiler49:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by maxsmart:
It's not just the 3rd round that they've sucked, they've busted 80% in the first four rounds.
Over their first 7 drafts in the first 4 rounds, Shana-Lynch has made 21 poor draft picks and only 5 good picks. So only one in five picks were good. And 80% of their picks in rds 1-4 were really bad. It's amazing that they are good as they have been!

Total Busted draft picks for Shana-Lynch era in rounds 1-4:
Total of 21 bad draft picks in their first 7 drafts (21 bad out of 27 total picks)

2017
Rd
1 Solomon Thomas (#3 overall pick)
2 Reuben Foster (#30 overall)
3 Ahkello Witherspoon
3 C. J. Beathard
4 Joe Williams
2018
1 Mike McGlinchey (#9 overall) 25 future pro-bowlers were still available
2 Dante Pettis
3 Tarvarius Moore
4 Kentavius Street
2019
3 Jalen Hurd
4 Mitch Wishnowsky
2020
1 Javon Kinlaw (#15 overall)
2021
1 Trey Lance #3 overall – traded 3 first round picks
3 Trey Sermon
3 Ambry Thomas
2022
2 Drake Jackson
3 Tyrion Davis-Price
3 Danny Gray
2023
3 Ji'Ayir Brown
3 Jake Moody
3 Cameron Latu

Good draft picks for ShanaLynch era in rounds 1-4: for first seven years from 2017 -2023
Total of 5 good draft picks in their first 7 drafts! (that's 5 out of 27 total picks)
2017
Zero
2018
3 Fred Warner
2019
1 Nick Bosa (#2 overall)
2 Deebo Samuel (#35 overall)
2020
1 Brandon Aiyuk
2021
2 Aaron Banks

Your logic for a bust must be a player should be a pro bowl level player if not they are a bust? That's fine but that's not the logic most people tend to use. According to your logic 80% is probably the league average honestly.

Truth, 80% sounds bad, but is meaningless unless you pull the same data for the other 31 teams in that period. If all the other teams miss 75% of the picks, now it isn't so bad.

Also, the Lance trade was a pick swap and 2 1st round picks, not 3 1sts. Big difference, it didn't pan out, but that wording makes it sound far worse. Personally, I like the aggressive move to get a young QB when it was clear that JG couldn't stay healthy but Fields and Lance both suck -- I was a Fields guy.

Just factoring in that the "good picks" don't include guys like Kittle, Greenlaw, Hurd etc - the stats are skewed. Lol

nearly all teams miss on most draft picks. Most draft picks don't make it long in the nfl at all. Some draft years don't even have anyone who ends up being a pro bowler (or only 1-2).

I agree that we've don't poorly in the first four rounds but a player doesn't have to be an all pro for it to be a "good pick". If you get someone who does well and positively contributes, thats not bad.

imo, the problem with the niners is that it's been very boom or bust. Either the guy they get is amazing or essentially doesn't play at all. lol just like joe Williams, Hurd, Ruben, David-price or whatever his name was.

how about you pull how every draft for every team has gone since 2017 and see how we stack up?

Originally posted by DASeiler49:
Truth, 80% sounds bad, but is meaningless unless you pull the same data for the other 31 teams in that period. If all the other teams miss 75% of the picks, now it isn't so bad.

Also, the Lance trade was a pick swap and 2 1st round picks, not 3 1sts. Big difference, it didn't pan out, but that wording makes it sound far worse. Personally, I like the aggressive move to get a young QB when it was clear that JG couldn't stay healthy but Fields and Lance both suck -- I was a Fields guy.

I also was a fields guy and I didn't mind the big swing. Gotta take real chances sometimes. My only scrutiny is taking Lance. I was very against it from the start tried to remain optimistic about it until proven otherwise. It is what it is though.

NFL is funny like this - it took a tiny swing to get our attention qb (last pick in the draft), not an insane swing like we did for Lance. Lol

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by tankle104:

"I've always prided myself on having a good get-off in the pass rush — that's half the rush right there," he said. "Get-off is most important, especially when you're going against linemen that are already setting me up for speed or an edge move. When I get off the ball in the perfect moment, it's hard to beat, no matter how fast they get off the line."

With all this talk about Robert Saleh, does Kocurek know about this?

Hehe

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They said 3rd day so at worst it's a 4th.

Where did it say 3rd day? All I saw was mid round

Mid round would be 3rd day. I don't think a 3rd round pick would be considered mid round. e'll see. It's worth even a 3rd if it's a compensatory pick which is more like an early 4th rounder.

According to who? First round is first day. Second and third round is day 2. Rounds 4-7 is 3rd day. Mid round suggests to me that it would be day 2; the "middle" of days.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ... to me the middle of that set is 3,4, and 5.

Exactly why the pickle. Saying "mid round" and "3rd day" can have different meanings. In your own set of middle numbers lay two different days of the draft

Yep. It's why I asked NY where he got "Day 3".

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They said 3rd day so at worst it's a 4th.

Where did it say 3rd day? All I saw was mid round

Mid round would be 3rd day. I don't think a 3rd round pick would be considered mid round. e'll see. It's worth even a 3rd if it's a compensatory pick which is more like an early 4th rounder.

According to who? First round is first day. Second and third round is day 2. Rounds 4-7 is 3rd day. Mid round suggests to me that it would be day 2; the "middle" of days.

we got all the makings of a 10+ page debate on the meaning of the word middle, goood, this could take us closer to week 1

If you have 7 kids the middle kid is the 4th one born.

I hate to join,...but the plural inference would point to 3/4/5. Otherwise, you'd have just called it a 4th rounder to begin with.

Yep.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Since07:
Mykel already a bust?

only a moron would think this trade has anything to do with Williams

I assumed it was a joke

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
CAN. HE. PASS. A. PHYSICAL.

This is such a smart move. There is no way Williams was going to play more than 400 snaps as a 21-year-old rookie. And even if hel could , he shouldn't. This was dang smart.

This guy seems a cut above Ebukam. Which might make him the best match with Bosa since Ford
Haven't seen the tapes though

Saleh historically likes a deep rotation on the line to keep them fresh and healthy. Bosa will probably get a lot fewer snaps than historically too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Collins had a PRWR of 13% good for 7th overall in the league tied with Milton Williams who just got paid.

imo he was the one guy that didn't make a ton of sense to move off from. He was a good interior rusher and imo better at run defending than Hardgrave was.

Collins was one of the worst run defenders in the league. 168th out of 219 according to PFF.

Originally posted by maxsmart:
It's not just the 3rd round that they've sucked, they've busted 80% in the first four rounds.
Over their first 7 drafts in the first 4 rounds, Shana-Lynch has made 21 poor draft picks and only 5 good picks. So only one in five picks were good. And 80% of their picks in rds 1-4 were really bad. It's amazing that they are good as they have been!

Total Busted draft picks for Shana-Lynch era in rounds 1-4:
Total of 21 bad draft picks in their first 7 drafts (21 bad out of 27 total picks)

2017
Rd
1 Solomon Thomas (#3 overall pick)
2 Reuben Foster (#30 overall)
3 Ahkello Witherspoon
3 C. J. Beathard
4 Joe Williams
2018
1 Mike McGlinchey (#9 overall) 25 future pro-bowlers were still available
2 Dante Pettis
3 Tarvarius Moore
4 Kentavius Street
2019
3 Jalen Hurd
4 Mitch Wishnowsky
2020
1 Javon Kinlaw (#15 overall)
2021
1 Trey Lance #3 overall – traded 3 first round picks
3 Trey Sermon
3 Ambry Thomas
2022
2 Drake Jackson
3 Tyrion Davis-Price
3 Danny Gray
2023
3 Ji'Ayir Brown
3 Jake Moody
3 Cameron Latu

Good draft picks for ShanaLynch era in rounds 1-4: for first seven years from 2017 -2023
Total of 5 good draft picks in their first 7 drafts! (that's 5 out of 27 total picks)
2017
Zero
2018
3 Fred Warner
2019
1 Nick Bosa (#2 overall)
2 Deebo Samuel (#35 overall)
2020
1 Brandon Aiyuk
2021
2 Aaron Banks

You have a broad definition of "bust".

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They said 3rd day so at worst it's a 4th.

Where did it say 3rd day? All I saw was mid round

Mid round would be 3rd day. I don't think a 3rd round pick would be considered mid round. e'll see. It's worth even a 3rd if it's a compensatory pick which is more like an early 4th rounder.

According to who? First round is first day. Second and third round is day 2. Rounds 4-7 is 3rd day. Mid round suggests to me that it would be day 2; the "middle" of days.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ... to me the middle of that set is 3,4, and 5.

Exactly why the pickle. Saying "mid round" and "3rd day" can have different meanings. In your own set of middle numbers lay two different days of the draft

Yep. It's why I asked NY where he got "Day 3".

I posted it already

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Collins had a PRWR of 13% good for 7th overall in the league tied with Milton Williams who just got paid.

imo he was the one guy that didn't make a ton of sense to move off from. He was a good interior rusher and imo better at run defending than Hardgrave was.

Collins was one of the worst run defenders in the league. 168th out of 219 according to PFF.

Hardgrave was freaking horrible all the same (159th) and Collins wasn't costing us $20M. Got no problem beefing up the run d with Collins/west there still isn't any legit interior pass rushers on the roster right now.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They said 3rd day so at worst it's a 4th.

Where did it say 3rd day? All I saw was mid round

Mid round would be 3rd day. I don't think a 3rd round pick would be considered mid round. e'll see. It's worth even a 3rd if it's a compensatory pick which is more like an early 4th rounder.

According to who? First round is first day. Second and third round is day 2. Rounds 4-7 is 3rd day. Mid round suggests to me that it would be day 2; the "middle" of days.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ... to me the middle of that set is 3,4, and 5.

Exactly why the pickle. Saying "mid round" and "3rd day" can have different meanings. In your own set of middle numbers lay two different days of the draft

Yep. It's why I asked NY where he got "Day 3".

Day 3 came from Schefter. So either a 4th or 5th.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Collins had a PRWR of 13% good for 7th overall in the league tied with Milton Williams who just got paid.

imo he was the one guy that didn't make a ton of sense to move off from. He was a good interior rusher and imo better at run defending than Hardgrave was.

Collins was one of the worst run defenders in the league. 168th out of 219 according to PFF.

Hardgrave was freaking horrible all the same (159th) and Collins wasn't costing us $20M. Got no problem beefing up the run d with Collins/west there still isn't any legit interior pass rushers on the roster right now.

M. Collins has three down ability and would have slotted in very nicely next to guys like Alfred Collins and CJ West on base downs. Elliot should have been on from. I would like to have seen M Collins next to some of these pass rush additions on nickel downs as well.

As of now outside of moving some of our edge rushers inside like they've done in the past and finding something that works, Givens is probably the best interior rusher we have from the DT's.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
M. Collins has three down ability and would have slotted in very nicely next to guys like Alfred Collins and CJ West on base downs. Elliot should have been on from. I would like to have seen M Collins next to some of these pass rush additions on nickel downs as well.

As of now outside of moving some of our edge rushers inside like they've done in the past and finding something that works, Givens is probably the best interior rusher we have from the DT's.

Agreed. Collins can get upfield and that's important for interior pressure. I'm sure we'll see Williams pushed inside on those passing downs. I would much rather have him develop as a true edge rusher.

So many decent pass rushing DTs in this draft and they went a different route. Can't say I'm shocked lol. Guess we will see how it plays out.