49ers select Jordan Watkins-WR-Ole Miss with the 138th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by genus49:
I explained why the point was bad.

Cowing and Watkins were ironically both last picks in the 4th round. That's borderline 5th round and not 3/4 rd you're labeling them as.

Gray has 1 reception for 10 yards on 7 targets. He's been in the league for 4 years. He was active for 13 games for us.

Watkins has 2 receptions for 26 yards on 3 targets. He was active for 4 games.

Cowing was active for 15 games and had 4 receptions for 80 yards on 6 targets.

Both Watkins and Cowing have time to show they're more than they've shown so far. Gray is a proven speed guy who can't get or produce on the field.

People still think most draft picks will be something in this league.

I do think there are years that some teams draft well/get lucky and it resets the franchise.

But most teams draft classes only net a couple long term starters at best.

I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

Well with what we're paying Brock I saw we solidify the OL and then put some size and speed on the field and let him cook. Get an OL young backs and young weapons and meaner younger faster defensive players coach em up and let's go!

We drafted Watson so we need to line him up with Cowing and Pearsall and whoever else we bring in and throw him the rock and see what happens

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

Well with what we're paying Brock I saw we solidify the OL and then put some size and speed on the field and let him cook. Get an OL young backs and young weapons and meaner younger faster defensive players coach em up and let's go!

We drafted Watson so we need to line him up with Cowing and Pearsall and whoever else we bring in and throw him the rock and see what happens

I am one of the KS supporters and do not want a change at HC.

That said his unwillingness to play rookie WRs is weird.

JSN tore it up.

Let these kids cook. No way Bourne is significantly better than younger guys. No way.

I am not even sure I believe the "convenient" infinite injury status of the young WRs.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

I am going to have to agree with you. We draft so many WR that never play or do anything significant. It means we draft like s**t and/or Kyle has some insane god complex for WR's.

Originally posted by Crown:
I am one of the KS supporters and do not want a change at HC.

That said his unwillingness to play rookie WRs is weird.

JSN tore it up.

Let these kids cook. No way Bourne is significantly better than younger guys. No way.

I am not even sure I believe the "convenient" infinite injury status of the young WRs.

JSN tore it up. Do you think Watkins is on that level? I am sure if JSN was on the 49ers he would have seen a lot of playing time. Aiyuk's rookie year he led the team.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

Well with what we're paying Brock I saw we solidify the OL and then put some size and speed on the field and let him cook. Get an OL young backs and young weapons and meaner younger faster defensive players coach em up and let's go!

We drafted Watson so we need to line him up with Cowing and Pearsall and whoever else we bring in and throw him the rock and see what happens

I am one of the KS supporters and do not want a change at HC.

That said his unwillingness to play rookie WRs is weird.

JSN tore it up.

Let these kids cook. No way Bourne is significantly better than younger guys. No way.

I am not even sure I believe the "convenient" infinite injury status of the young WRs.

I wouldn't say he tore up anything as a rookie. Also I don't think it's 100% accurate to say Kyle doesn't play rookie WRs. He just prefers not to until they show they can master the offense or he doesn't have a choice lol.

You can make a case that all 3 rookie WRs who were healthy drafted in the top 2 rounds(like JSN who was a first round pick) had a lot of playing time as rookies and in some ways had better results than rookie JSN.

Pettis had a 7 yards higher YPR and more TDs than JSN
Deebo and Aiyuk both had more yards and Aiyuk had more TDs as well.

Once again expectations have to be a part of the picture. Puka Nacua wasn't expected to get the playing time he got until Kupp and couple of other WRs got hurt for the Rams. Sometimes you're forced into playing these guys and they show you that they can play on the field.

Watkins and Cowing are borderline 5th round WRs. If people are expecting them to be the next Nacua they're not being serious but I would like to see them play and show what they can or cannot do. Calling them busts right now is an overreaction. frenchmov predicting Watkins isn't going to be anything isn't a major reach either. I agree...the success rate for 4/5th round receivers isn't terrific. Especially not with the resume those guys had in college.

But until we get more info on them, it's kind of dumb to call them one way or another. And comparing them to proven busts isn't it either.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

I am going to have to agree with you. We draft so many WR that never play or do anything significant. It means we draft like s**t and/or Kyle has some insane god complex for WR's.

Really?

Here is a list of WRs drafted since Kyle became the HC here
Trent Taylor - 5th round
Dante Pettis - 2nd round
Richie James - 7th round
Deebo Samuel - 2nd round
Jalen Hurd - 3rd round
Brandon Aiyuk - 1st round
Jauan Jennings - 7th round
Danny Gray - 3rd round
Ronnie Bell - 7th round
Ricky Pearsall - 1s round
Jacob Cowing - 4th round
Jordan Watkins - 4th round
Junior Bergen - 7th round

Deebo, Aiyuk and Jennings were home run picks. I don't care how things ended with them you cannot argue with the fact that they were great players for us.

Pearsall has shown if he's healthy he's a legit WR in the NFL.
Pettis was not a talent issue. He simply didn't have the dog in him mentality which would've driven him to be much better than he was. The fact that he's still in the NFL shows he's got the talent.

So looking at that list who are the huge misses that you see under Kyle that weren't due to injury issues? Cuz the only one that sticks out to me is Danny Gray and I firmly believe he was made because of Trey Lance.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

I am going to have to agree with you. We draft so many WR that never play or do anything significant. It means we draft like s**t and/or Kyle has some insane god complex for WR's.

Really?

Here is a list of WRs drafted since Kyle became the HC here
Trent Taylor - 5th round
Dante Pettis - 2nd round
Richie James - 7th round
Deebo Samuel - 2nd round
Jalen Hurd - 3rd round
Brandon Aiyuk - 1st round
Jauan Jennings - 7th round
Danny Gray - 3rd round
Ronnie Bell - 7th round
Ricky Pearsall - 1s round
Jacob Cowing - 4th round
Jordan Watkins - 4th round
Junior Bergen - 7th round

Deebo, Aiyuk and Jennings were home run picks. I don't care how things ended with them you cannot argue with the fact that they were great players for us.

Pearsall has shown if he's healthy he's a legit WR in the NFL.
Pettis was not a talent issue. He simply didn't have the dog in him mentality which would've driven him to be much better than he was. The fact that he's still in the NFL shows he's got the talent.

So looking at that list who are the huge misses that you see under Kyle that weren't due to injury issues? Cuz the only one that sticks out to me is Danny Gray and I firmly believe he was made because of Trey Lance.

Looking at the full list at once, any objective person would see this is actually pretty good. You have some guys that were bonafide stars (Deebo and Aiyuk), you have guys who have flashed (Pearsall), guys who were very good (Jennings) and guys who were can make a roster asa 4th - 6th receiver (Richie James and Dante Pettis). Taylor was solid until he got hurt and wasn't the same at receiver again. Should give some hope that our latest guys won't completely bust like Gray. I am not even counting Ronnie Bell because the guy gave us 7th round pick production and even he has more receptions than Danny Gray has for his entire career (in 2025 alone).

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

I am going to have to agree with you. We draft so many WR that never play or do anything significant. It means we draft like s**t and/or Kyle has some insane god complex for WR's.

Really?

Here is a list of WRs drafted since Kyle became the HC here
Trent Taylor - 5th round
Dante Pettis - 2nd round
Richie James - 7th round
Deebo Samuel - 2nd round
Jalen Hurd - 3rd round
Brandon Aiyuk - 1st round
Jauan Jennings - 7th round
Danny Gray - 3rd round
Ronnie Bell - 7th round
Ricky Pearsall - 1s round
Jacob Cowing - 4th round
Jordan Watkins - 4th round
Junior Bergen - 7th round

Deebo, Aiyuk and Jennings were home run picks. I don't care how things ended with them you cannot argue with the fact that they were great players for us.

Pearsall has shown if he's healthy he's a legit WR in the NFL.
Pettis was not a talent issue. He simply didn't have the dog in him mentality which would've driven him to be much better than he was. The fact that he's still in the NFL shows he's got the talent.

So looking at that list who are the huge misses that you see under Kyle that weren't due to injury issues? Cuz the only one that sticks out to me is Danny Gray and I firmly believe he was made because of Trey Lance.

Looking at the full list at once, any objective person would see this is actually pretty good. You have some guys that were bonafide stars (Deebo and Aiyuk), you have guys who have flashed (Pearsall), guys who were very good (Jennings) and guys who were can make a roster asa 4th - 6th receiver (Richie James and Dante Pettis). Taylor was solid until he got hurt and wasn't the same at receiver again. Should give some hope that our latest guys won't completely bust like Gray. I am not even counting Ronnie Bell because the guy gave us 7th round pick production and even he has more receptions than Danny Gray has for his entire career (in 2025 alone).

We see a lot of WRs that float around the league as free agents or in trades. Some just never produce. Some are always hurt. Others are a pain in the butt. Then there are the divas that want too much money. Finding a really good one that stays with his team for more than 4-5 years is hard.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

I am going to have to agree with you. We draft so many WR that never play or do anything significant. It means we draft like s**t and/or Kyle has some insane god complex for WR's.

Really?

Here is a list of WRs drafted since Kyle became the HC here
Trent Taylor - 5th round
Dante Pettis - 2nd round
Richie James - 7th round
Deebo Samuel - 2nd round
Jalen Hurd - 3rd round
Brandon Aiyuk - 1st round
Jauan Jennings - 7th round
Danny Gray - 3rd round
Ronnie Bell - 7th round
Ricky Pearsall - 1s round
Jacob Cowing - 4th round
Jordan Watkins - 4th round
Junior Bergen - 7th round

Deebo, Aiyuk and Jennings were home run picks. I don't care how things ended with them you cannot argue with the fact that they were great players for us.

Pearsall has shown if he's healthy he's a legit WR in the NFL.
Pettis was not a talent issue. He simply didn't have the dog in him mentality which would've driven him to be much better than he was. The fact that he's still in the NFL shows he's got the talent.

So looking at that list who are the huge misses that you see under Kyle that weren't due to injury issues? Cuz the only one that sticks out to me is Danny Gray and I firmly believe he was made because of Trey Lance.

Looking at the full list at once, any objective person would see this is actually pretty good. You have some guys that were bonafide stars (Deebo and Aiyuk), you have guys who have flashed (Pearsall), guys who were very good (Jennings) and guys who were can make a roster asa 4th - 6th receiver (Richie James and Dante Pettis). Taylor was solid until he got hurt and wasn't the same at receiver again. Should give some hope that our latest guys won't completely bust like Gray. I am not even counting Ronnie Bell because the guy gave us 7th round pick production and even he has more receptions than Danny Gray has for his entire career (in 2025 alone).

Exactly. The one position where I have belief in Kyle is WR. The list overall especially when you account for draft slotting is pretty good. Pettis is the biggest miss given where he was drafted and once again that wasn't a talent issue and it was an issue they quickly learned from - which is why Deebo and Hurd were drafted the year after even tho Dante was our best WR in 2018 as a rookie.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I am going to have to agree with you. We draft so many WR that never play or do anything significant. It means we draft like s**t and/or Kyle has some insane god complex for WR's.

I mean you can say that for every single team. So many WRs get drafted every yr and a ton of them don't so jack s**t….the problem is folks assume a day 3 WR is gonna just automatically be JJ or Puka. that's simply not reality.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I am going to have to agree with you. We draft so many WR that never play or do anything significant. It means we draft like s**t and/or Kyle has some insane god complex for WR's.

I mean you can say that for every single team. So many WRs get drafted every yr and a ton of them don't so jack s**t….the problem is folks assume a day 3 WR is gonna just automatically be JJ or Puka. that's simply not reality.

I wonder how many guys complaining about Watkins being a bust even remember what happened with JJ as a rookie(didn't make the week 1 roster and was signed to the PS)

Cowing really hurt his chances cuz now he's 2 years removed from his selection and has very snaps to show what he can or cannot do. Watkins at least was good enough to make the roster, just couldn't crack the lineup much.

Injuries will derail any career so #1 thing is our guys have to find a way to stay healthy and carry whatever good vibes they have in OTAs and spring practices into training camp and the regular season+

I'm excited to see how he develops in the off-season. Hopefully, he's working on the little things that'll get him playing time.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I'm extremely confident in saying Watkins will never amount to much of anything in the NFL. Hope I'm wrong but we've seen this story a million times, and it always ends the same

agree.