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Originally posted by scooterhd:
It easy to cherry pick the draft. Here's all the 49ers picks from your list (minus 2025) versus the very next pick in the draft. These are factually players that various teams across the league thought were the best players available after our 'reaches.'


When your team is number 1 in the consensus across the league…it's not cherry picking. It's poor draft philosophy and damn near all of those picks were failures.

you're arguing about nothing. You even said it was a poor way to draft.
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Originally posted by Scoots:
Why does your list include picks outside the first 3 rounds? I thought they didn't matter?

I'd say Pearsall, Green, and Banks have done reasonably well, and clearly the rookies can't be evaluated yet. Wishnowski has been fine even if I don't like spending picks on ST only players. Moody might still be good.

Funny thing about the picks that don't matter, but George Kittle, DJ Jones, DJ Reed, Dre Greenlaw, Colton McKivitz, Jauan Jennings, Charlier Woerner, Talanoa Hufanga, Deommodore Lenior, Elijah Mitchell, Jaylon Moore, Brock Purdy, Spencer Burford, Samuel Womack, Nick Zakelz, Darrell Luter Jr, and Jalen Graham were all picks after the 3rd who either are known to be good to great or still have a reasonable shot to be good picks. Seems like a bit of feast or famine with these guys.

I said those picks late day 3 don't matter as much with reaching…if you take a guy like Jones in the 5th vs having 6th rd grade on him the difference isn't as meaningful. No one is expected them to be big time contributors that late in the draft.

why didn't SF take Kittle in the 3rd when they had a 3rd re grade on him?? Because they knew they could get him later.

whats famine is how poorly they've drafted on day 2…a spot where they've been loaded with picks and they've tossed a bunch of those picks in the trash. Reaching all over the place for kickers, WRs, RBs, TEs etc. the proof is in the pudding…you can move goalposts and deflect all ya want. Doesn't matter.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Scoots:
Why does your list include picks outside the first 3 rounds? I thought they didn't matter?

I'd say Pearsall, Green, and Banks have done reasonably well, and clearly the rookies can't be evaluated yet. Wishnowski has been fine even if I don't like spending picks on ST only players. Moody might still be good.

Funny thing about the picks that don't matter, but George Kittle, DJ Jones, DJ Reed, Dre Greenlaw, Colton McKivitz, Jauan Jennings, Charlier Woerner, Talanoa Hufanga, Deommodore Lenior, Elijah Mitchell, Jaylon Moore, Brock Purdy, Spencer Burford, Samuel Womack, Nick Zakelz, Darrell Luter Jr, and Jalen Graham were all picks after the 3rd who either are known to be good to great or still have a reasonable shot to be good picks. Seems like a bit of feast or famine with these guys.

I said those picks late day 3 don't matter as much with reaching…if you take a guy like Jones in the 5th vs having 6th rd grade on him the difference isn't as meaningful. No one is expected them to be big time contributors that late in the draft.

why didn't SF take Kittle in the 3rd when they had a 3rd re grade on him?? Because they knew they could get him later.

whats famine is how poorly they've drafted on day 2…a spot where they've been loaded with picks and they've tossed a bunch of those picks in the trash. Reaching all over the place for kickers, WRs, RBs, TEs etc. the proof is in the pudding…you can move goalposts and deflect all ya want. Doesn't matter.

Gentlemen this is a general point about drafting. Please set up a general thread, either in DWR or NT, and continue it there if you have anything further to say. This thread, as I am sure you are aware, if for discussions about Nick Martin. We don't mind the occasional wandering around the subject, but this is rather more than that.

Thank you.
Originally posted by English:
Gentlemen this is a general point about drafting. Please set up a general thread, either in DWR or NT, and continue it there if you have anything further to say. This thread, as I am sure you are aware, if for discussions about Nick Martin. We don't mind the occasional wandering around the subject, but this is rather more than that.

Thank you.

My bad. I don't really need to talk about this subject anymore. My point has been made.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I said those picks late day 3 don't matter as much with reaching…if you take a guy like Jones in the 5th vs having 6th rd grade on him the difference isn't as meaningful. No one is expected them to be big time contributors that late in the draft.

why didn't SF take Kittle in the 3rd when they had a 3rd re grade on him?? Because they knew they could get him later.

whats famine is how poorly they've drafted on day 2…a spot where they've been loaded with picks and they've tossed a bunch of those picks in the trash. Reaching all over the place for kickers, WRs, RBs, TEs etc. the proof is in the pudding…you can move goalposts and deflect all ya want. Doesn't matter.

probably because they had higher grades on the people they selected earlier on him i dont think they thought to wait on kittle.
[ Edited by ritz126 on May 15, 2025 at 5:12 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by scooterhd:
It easy to cherry pick the draft. Here's all the 49ers picks from your list (minus 2025) versus the very next pick in the draft. These are factually players that various teams across the league thought were the best players available after our 'reaches.'


When your team is number 1 in the consensus across the league…it's not cherry picking. It's poor draft philosophy and damn near all of those picks were failures.

you're arguing about nothing. You even said it was a poor way to draft.

If you are correct, and we drafted terribly and passed on great players for reaches, then why isnt the League Pick column light years ahead of the 49er column?
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Scoots:
Why does your list include picks outside the first 3 rounds? I thought they didn't matter?

I'd say Pearsall, Green, and Banks have done reasonably well, and clearly the rookies can't be evaluated yet. Wishnowski has been fine even if I don't like spending picks on ST only players. Moody might still be good.

Funny thing about the picks that don't matter, but George Kittle, DJ Jones, DJ Reed, Dre Greenlaw, Colton McKivitz, Jauan Jennings, Charlier Woerner, Talanoa Hufanga, Deommodore Lenior, Elijah Mitchell, Jaylon Moore, Brock Purdy, Spencer Burford, Samuel Womack, Nick Zakelz, Darrell Luter Jr, and Jalen Graham were all picks after the 3rd who either are known to be good to great or still have a reasonable shot to be good picks. Seems like a bit of feast or famine with these guys.

I said those picks late day 3 don't matter as much with reaching…if you take a guy like Jones in the 5th vs having 6th rd grade on him the difference isn't as meaningful. No one is expected them to be big time contributors that late in the draft.

why didn't SF take Kittle in the 3rd when they had a 3rd re grade on him?? Because they knew they could get him later.

whats famine is how poorly they've drafted on day 2…a spot where they've been loaded with picks and they've tossed a bunch of those picks in the trash. Reaching all over the place for kickers, WRs, RBs, TEs etc. the proof is in the pudding…you can move goalposts and deflect all ya want. Doesn't matter.

Gentlemen this is a general point about drafting. Please set up a general thread, either in DWR or NT, and continue it there if you have anything further to say. This thread, as I am sure you are aware, if for discussions about Nick Martin. We don't mind the occasional wandering around the subject, but this is rather more than that.

Thank you.

This has spread to the CJ West thread too lol....
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I said those picks late day 3 don't matter as much with reaching…if you take a guy like Jones in the 5th vs having 6th rd grade on him the difference isn't as meaningful. No one is expected them to be big time contributors that late in the draft.

why didn't SF take Kittle in the 3rd when they had a 3rd re grade on him?? Because they knew they could get him later.

whats famine is how poorly they've drafted on day 2…a spot where they've been loaded with picks and they've tossed a bunch of those picks in the trash. Reaching all over the place for kickers, WRs, RBs, TEs etc. the proof is in the pudding…you can move goalposts and deflect all ya want. Doesn't matter.

Those late round wins are evidence they are good at scouting and picking players for their system. That contrasted with their day 2 failures is itself interesting. Why are they so good late and so bad early? Yeah they take players that are lower on the consensus board often there ... but what is their thought process to get there? We don't know at all ... we tend to blame Kyle ... but really we have very little idea why they keep doing it.

To clarify, much like Walsh and Montana, they didn't KNOW Kittle would be there in the 5th, they HOPED he'd be there in the 5th, and they ended up getting that one right. But we can't assume that is how it's going to play out even half the time.

One thing they do sometimes that I appreciate is they value having a lot of picks just like the Ravens. The more picks the more likely you win on more picks.

We know that some positions have more misses in early rounds (success at those positions are in the 50% range in the first and drop to 15% range in the 3rd) and some have more hits (near 80% in the first to 50% in the third). One way to get more "wins" would be just to never draft those high risk positions early (WR is the worst, OL is the best). That would, in aggregate make those drafts look better in the long run, but it also doesn't necessarily result in a winning team or happy fans :)
Originally posted by English:
Gentlemen this is a general point about drafting. Please set up a general thread, either in DWR or NT, and continue it there if you have anything further to say. This thread, as I am sure you are aware, if for discussions about Nick Martin. We don't mind the occasional wandering around the subject, but this is rather more than that.

Thank you.

Sorry. Not sure how it spread so much :)
Mini write up on espn the topic was top non first round rookies who will make an impact

5. Nick Martin, LB, San Francisco 49ers (No. 75)The 49ers entered the draft with a need at one starting linebacker spot after Dre Greenlaw left in free agency, and Martin can fill it. He lacks ideal size at 6-foot and 221 pounds, but he makes up for it with electric speed and a fearless nature on every snap. Martin showed legitimate pass-rush instincts in 2023, too, with six sacks. And while he was injured for most of 2024, his 140 tackles in 2023 were the most by any Oklahoma State player since 1984.

[ Edited by ritz126 on May 16, 2025 at 6:45 AM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by IGSXIII:
Originally posted by Chance:


Chance! You just turned into Hall of Fame status
How do you break your thumb weight lifting? Did he drop it on the squat rack safety bar or something? What the heck. Hope he heals up good and quickly.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
How do you break your thumb weight lifting? Did he drop it on the squat rack safety bar or something? What the heck. Hope he heals up good and quickly.

Not that hard to pinch a finger with free weights and equipment you don't use all the time. It's pretty clearly a minor break since no procedure was needed.
Originally posted by Scoots:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
How do you break your thumb weight lifting? Did he drop it on the squat rack safety bar or something? What the heck. Hope he heals up good and quickly.

Not that hard to pinch a finger with free weights and equipment you don't use all the time. It's pretty clearly a minor break since no procedure was needed.

Link to this injury??
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Originally posted by Scoots:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
How do you break your thumb weight lifting? Did he drop it on the squat rack safety bar or something? What the heck. Hope he heals up good and quickly.

Not that hard to pinch a finger with free weights and equipment you don't use all the time. It's pretty clearly a minor break since no procedure was needed.

Link to this injury??

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/191931-rookie-suffered-fracture-lifting-weights/
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