49ers select Nick Martin-LB-Oklahoma State with the 75th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And even if he was a "reach" that is NOT the norm….I have no idea where you're even trying to go with this. We reach A LOT most of those reaches do not work out. Period.

Most picks do not work out at all. Youre judging failed picks against what is quite normally failed picks.

Before Nick Martin, here are the last 10 pick #75s. Jonah was a hit. Osa has been good. Nandi has been a good rum stuffer. Christian Harris was good before injuries derailed him last year. Too early too judge Kiran, but not sure the Bears have faith in him considering they signed and drafted tackles this year. The rest in incredibly weak.

Kiran Amegadjie OT (40 pff grade in limited snaps)
Zach Harrison DL
Christian Harris LB
Osa Odighizuwa DL
Jonah Jackson OL
Jace Sternberger TE (practice squad and USFL player)
Derrick Nnadi DL
Duke Riley LB (rotational LB, mostly plays special teams)
Shilique Calhoun LB (out of the season in 5 years. 56 tackles in 51 games)
Garrett Grayson QB (never threw a pass in the NFL)

Coincidentally, the NFL Draft Consensus Big Board of overall ranks from The Athletic, Bleacher Report, CBS, Draft Network, Drafttek, ESPN, NBC Rotoworld, NFL.com, PFF, Pro Football Network, The Ringer, Sports Illustrated, Tankathon, USA Draft Wire, Walter Football, and Yahoo, ranked Jonah Jackson 109 and Osa at 115. Both were take a round early and were not value picks.

Originally posted by scooterhd:
Most picks do not work out at all. Youre judging failed picks against what is quite normally failed picks.

Before Nick Martin, here are the last 10 pick #75s. Jonah was a hit. Osa has been good. Christian Harris was good before injuries derailed him last year. Too early too judge Kiran, but not sure the Bears have faith in him considering they signed and drafted tackles this year. The rest in incredibly weak.

Kiran Amegadjie OT
Zach Harrison DL
Christian Harris LB
Osa Odighizuwa DL
Jonah Jackson OL
Jace Sternberger TE
Derrick Nnadi DL
Duke Riley LB
Shilique Calhoun LB
Garrett Grayson QB

Coincidentally, the NFL Draft Consensus Big Board of overall ranks from The Athletic, Bleacher Report, CBS, Draft Network, Drafttek, ESPN, NBC Rotoworld, NFL.com, PFF, Pro Football Network, The Ringer, Sports Illustrated, Tankathon, USA Draft Wire, Walter Football, and Yahoo, ranked Jonah Jackson 109 and Osa at 115. Both were take a round early and were not value picks.

I'm focusing on the top 20 reaches of this regime and for the most part they suck. This isn't just about Martin and I've said that multiple times.

2021-2023 were mostly epic failures and reaches. How many times you want to overdraft the Dante Pettis' of the world before you can understand that way of drafting. Does. Not. Work.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm focusing on the top 20 reaches of this regime and for the most part they suck. This isn't just about Martin and I've said that multiple times.

2021-2023 were mostly epic failures and reaches. How many times you want to overdraft the Dante Pettis' of the world before you can understand that way of drafting. Does. Not. Work.

Your list is full of 3, 4, 5th round picks. That is the expected result. A failed first round QB? Welcome to the club.

It easy to cherry pick the draft. Here's all the 49ers picks from your list (minus 2025) versus the very next pick in the draft. These are factually players that various teams across the league thought were the best players available after our 'reaches.'

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And even if he was a "reach" that is NOT the norm….I have no idea where you're even trying to go with this. We reach A LOT most of those reaches do not work out. Period.

The question is, is Montana still a reach when you know that the Bears had him with a 1st round grade even though the mock drafts/big boards had him as a 5th round pick at best?

Does that scenario fit your definition of a "reach"?

As for the current 49ers draft history ... they certainly do seem to draft players well ahead of their places on the "consensus" big board, and they have had an annoying number of players that fit that description not do well in the NFL.

Originally posted by scooterhd:
It easy to cherry pick the draft. Here's all the 49ers picks from your list (minus 2025) versus the very next pick in the draft. These are factually players that various teams across the league thought were the best players available after our 'reaches.'

I remember people lost their minds when they didn't take Polite. He and Hurd both turned out to be disasters for different reasons.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Look at the players they reached on (top 20)

please tell me which one proves my point incorrect

Here's where the four 2025 reaches rank among the 20 biggest #49ers draft reaches since 2017.

Feeling confident these picks will pan out? Honestly, not many from this list have. https://t.co/U3NuxpPxU5 pic.twitter.com/JND4hzSu37

— SFdata9ers🏈📊 (@sfdata9ers) April 27, 2025

instead of deflecting with outliers. Focus on what SF did. Please tell me where it was amazing. You can't and continue to deflect

I mean SF could have taken Derius Davis instead of Moody all the same. He was a massive reach for LA (pick 125) all the same. So for every Puka there's 50 Derius Davis' reaching at least for us has not proven to be a recipe for success. Try to spin that whatever way you want…you'd be wrong.

Why does your list include picks outside the first 3 rounds? I thought they didn't matter?

I'd say Pearsall, Green, and Banks have done reasonably well, and clearly the rookies can't be evaluated yet. Wishnowski has been fine even if I don't like spending picks on ST only players. Moody might still be good.

Funny thing about the picks that don't matter, but George Kittle, DJ Jones, DJ Reed, Dre Greenlaw, Colton McKivitz, Jauan Jennings, Charlier Woerner, Talanoa Hufanga, Deommodore Lenior, Elijah Mitchell, Jaylon Moore, Brock Purdy, Spencer Burford, Samuel Womack, Nick Zakelz, Darrell Luter Jr, and Jalen Graham were all picks after the 3rd who either are known to be good to great or still have a reasonable shot to be good picks. Seems like a bit of feast or famine with these guys.

Originally posted by Alfienator:
I feel like Martin being selected early was based off his performance last year. Had he not gotten injured this season and put up the similar stats to last year. This reach conversation wouldn't be talked about.
But if we want to talk about 49ers reaching. I blame Kyle for a lot of those stupid picks.

I feel some of their worst reaches have been from reaching for offensive players due to Kyle going "look at the film, gotta have him!" Or "I can coach him up!"

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
I feel like Martin being selected early was based off his performance last year. Had he not gotten injured this season and put up the similar stats to last year. This reach conversation wouldn't be talked about.
But if we want to talk about 49ers reaching. I blame Kyle for a lot of those stupid picks.

I feel some of their worst reaches have been from reaching for offensive players due to Kyle going "look at the film, gotta have him!" Or "I can coach him up!"

Even pros need to learn which positions they are not great at scouting and stop being the lead voice at those positions.

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Go look how many Top 30 visits Martin had. A lot of teams showed interest in him. He was definitely not lasting until the 5th round or whatever nonsense people are coming up with.

so what? can try pick him at the end of the 3rd. Or if you miss out on him, that's life, there was a lot of other talent available.

If you see someone you like and think he got what it takes, you take him. Having that attitude of if you miss out on him so what there is other talent available, is bad. The other talent may not be any better, but worst. Imagine if Walsh took that attitude with a lot of players. No super bowl.

Originally posted by genus49:
This is the first pick I haven't been a huge fan of but I hope he proves me wrong.

I worry about his size and holding up long term given that position and how he plays.

Might be like Dre, both small, fast and tenacious, but after 5-7 years, need to move on as his body will get beaten down

Majority of these big boards, how many were coaches, scouts or people that were part of the game. Managed a program? Guys like Kiper-give me a break. A lot of them are just basing it on some film (and I do mean SOME film). They look at the measurables. How many have taken into account scheme fit? How many have had in depth interviews? I remember them reading them saying a player was a reach, that so and so is a better talent. Yet turn around and admit this player may be a better fit for what that is trying to do. You cannot tell what is in between a players head.

Just checking in for a friend to see if Nick Martin is a reach and a bust yet.

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
Just checking in for a friend to see if Nick Martin is a reach and a bust yet.

All we know is he's either a beach or a rust.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
I feel like Martin being selected early was based off his performance last year. Had he not gotten injured this season and put up the similar stats to last year. This reach conversation wouldn't be talked about.
But if we want to talk about 49ers reaching. I blame Kyle for a lot of those stupid picks.

I feel some of their worst reaches have been from reaching for offensive players due to Kyle going "look at the film, gotta have him!" Or "I can coach him up!"

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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Alfienator:
I feel like Martin being selected early was based off his performance last year. Had he not gotten injured this season and put up the similar stats to last year. This reach conversation wouldn't be talked about.
But if we want to talk about 49ers reaching. I blame Kyle for a lot of those stupid picks.

I feel some of their worst reaches have been from reaching for offensive players due to Kyle going "look at the film, gotta have him!" Or "I can coach him up!"

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