49ers select Nick Martin-LB-Oklahoma State with the 75th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I thought so too but i'm glad they didn't except i do wish they'd traded up to get the OT (Grant) in the 3rd.

I saw an interview with the Ravens GM who said their strategy is to let the board fall to them and move down if possible. Since the hit rate on draft picks is so low and nobody knows for sure who is going to pan out he (the Ravens GM) thought the best strategy is to simply have more at bats. I agree with this whole heartedly.

I'm ok trading up to go get your guy but those should be far and few between.
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If they loved guys like Martin and Stout. Move down if possible. Read the room and have a little understanding how other teams value those prospects.

end of the day if they're good players awesome…but SF constantly reaching has played a part into why they're in the spot they are.

Personally, I would put drafting well below injuries, losing coaches to other teams, and poor timing/output on some of the contract extensions as to why last season was a dud.

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I thought so too but i'm glad they didn't except i do wish they'd traded up to get the OT (Grant) in the 3rd.

I saw an interview with the Ravens GM who said their strategy is to let the board fall to them and move down if possible. Since the hit rate on draft picks is so low and nobody knows for sure who is going to pan out he (the Ravens GM) thought the best strategy is to simply have more at bats. I agree with this whole heartedly.

I'm ok trading up to go get your guy but those should be far and few between.
__PRESENT__PRESENT

If they loved guys like Martin and Stout. Move down if possible. Read the room and have a little understanding how other teams value those prospects.

end of the day if they're good players awesome…but SF constantly reaching has played a part into why they're in the spot they are.

Personally, I would put drafting well below injuries, losing coaches to other teams, and poor timing/output on some of the contract extensions as to why last season was a dud.

Agreed. Particularly injuries.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean Chris Paul jr and Bassa went in the 5th. Not sure I would have thought Martin was the 4th overall LBer in this draft.

we will see!

edit: it's wild that they really didn't even try to move around in this draft.

They did try to move around though. They tried to trade up in the 1st and weren't able to. Luckily they didn't need to.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean Chris Paul jr and Bassa went in the 5th. Not sure I would have thought Martin was the 4th overall LBer in this draft.

we will see!

edit: it's wild that they really didn't even try to move around in this draft.

They did try to move around though. They tried to trade up in the 1st and weren't able to. Luckily they didn't need to.

Most fans didn't think Greenlaw would become the player he did. Hopefully Martin will surprise us. Players picked in this range sometimes exceed expectations because they play with a chip on their shoulder.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I thought so too but i'm glad they didn't except i do wish they'd traded up to get the OT (Grant) in the 3rd.

I saw an interview with the Ravens GM who said their strategy is to let the board fall to them and move down if possible. Since the hit rate on draft picks is so low and nobody knows for sure who is going to pan out he (the Ravens GM) thought the best strategy is to simply have more at bats. I agree with this whole heartedly.

I'm ok trading up to go get your guy but those should be far and few between.
__PRESENT__PRESENT

If they loved guys like Martin and Stout. Move down if possible. Read the room and have a little understanding how other teams value those prospects.

end of the day if they're good players awesome…but SF constantly reaching has played a part into why they're in the spot they are.

100% agree with you. They tend to outsmart themselves. The fact they wanted to trade up for Mykel is interesting. This is why they shouldn't fall in love with one guy and have 2-3 they would be fine with in round 1 and then increase that number as the rounds go. I would have LOVED a couple trade downs, even for future picks etc.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I thought so too but i'm glad they didn't except i do wish they'd traded up to get the OT (Grant) in the 3rd.

I saw an interview with the Ravens GM who said their strategy is to let the board fall to them and move down if possible. Since the hit rate on draft picks is so low and nobody knows for sure who is going to pan out he (the Ravens GM) thought the best strategy is to simply have more at bats. I agree with this whole heartedly.

I'm ok trading up to go get your guy but those should be far and few between.
__PRESENT__PRESENT

If they loved guys like Martin and Stout. Move down if possible. Read the room and have a little understanding how other teams value those prospects.

end of the day if they're good players awesome…but SF constantly reaching has played a part into why they're in the spot they are.

100% agree with you. They tend to outsmart themselves. The fact they wanted to trade up for Mykel is interesting. This is why they shouldn't fall in love with one guy and have 2-3 they would be fine with in round 1 and then increase that number as the rounds go. I would have LOVED a couple trade downs, even for future picks etc.

I don't disagree with you guys but I think it's also impossible for us to tell. We can look across the draft and see many instances of players who were afterthoughts until later in the draft process by all accounts and were available late day 3 or even late 7th in all the mock generators who end up going early in the draft.

I was a big Isaac Teslaa fan...but never expected him to go early in the 3rd and after the trade up the Lions made for him. If someone claimed he would go before Jaylin Noel I think most of us would be shocked.

And the Lions are a team that has been highly praised for their drafting lately. Or Chimere Dike going ahead of Elic Ayomanor(speaking of which I'd love to see who we would've taken had Elic been on the board at 138)

I do think the 49ers fall in love with traits and scheme fit which I don't have a problem with, in the end you want players who help you win and I certainly hope we added a LOT of them in this class but I know I'll be curious how guys at the respective positions who went later will look.

But I'm also not going to complain about them not trading down. We don't know what offers were there and if you love a player, take him. I think teams tend to trade down if an opportunity is there but also if they don't love a specific guy at that pick or have similar graded players that you can move down and still land one of that group.

The front office under John Lynch isnt overly dynamic, meaning they would rather draft a guy they like early than risk losing him by trading up or down. Maybe it is a byproduct of the value they place on mid round picks that stops them from movingg around alot.

Balke on the other hand was very dynamic, trading up and back throughout the rounds of the draft.

I will take Lynch any day, he's always drafting guys earlier than they are projected but it typically works out. Deciding we needed a QB in one of the worst QB drafts in ages was a major blunder but at least he found Brocky.

Could simply think of them having 5th round grades on those players and given our success rate in the 5th round maybe they just wanted to make sure they got their 5th round players and used the 3rd round to grab them?

No big deal if we get another Greenlaw/Lenoir but in the 3rd round right?

Right?

MM thinks he will beat out Dee Winters for the starting spot.

Originally posted by genus49:
Could simply think of them having 5th round grades on those players and given our success rate in the 5th round maybe they just wanted to make sure they got their 5th round players and used the 3rd round to grab them?

No big deal if we get another Greenlaw/Lenoir but in the 3rd round right?

Right?

Yeah, I'm reading what a lot of others are posting about draft strategy - it's interesting cause what they're saying makes sense in a vacuum. They're assuming nearly all 32 teams have the same-ish draft grades on everyone and everyone's viewed nearly tbe same by GMs/front offices/scouts.

Mykel Williams is a great example - a bunch of people have studied him and some have come up with the conclusion that he will be DROY and some
Have watched the same film and come away that he will be an absolute bust.

you can't predict what other teams will do and when they'll do it, you can only guess and take what you can with your pick, when it's there. Organizations are very private/secure about their draft info - it isn't like teams are just showing others what players they like.

also, every draft is different - you have different strategies depending on what/who is in the draft and what picks you have.

IMO, the draft is like chess - unlimited ways the draft can go and what you do - you're just reacting to what 31 other teams are doing at every selection in every round. I don't think you can over simplify how to act in the draft and just say "this is what you should do". That's just my opinion.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
MM thinks he will beat out Dee Winters for the starting spot.

I think it's very possible depending on how he looks. I think at a min, he will take dees job before the season is over.

I think it's just a matter of how well Nick picks up the system and executes it. If he does what he did at OSU - there is a good chance he takes the spot from the beginning. Also, his health. Lol

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
MM thinks he will beat out Dee Winters for the starting spot.

I think it's very possible depending on how he looks. I think at a min, he will take dees job before the season is over.

I think it's just a matter of how well Nick picks up the system and executes it. If he does what he did at OSU - there is a good chance he takes the spot from the beginning. Also, his health. Lol

I agree, he has a big chance of beating him out in TC. Also as you mentioned his health is probably better already lol...

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
MM thinks he will beat out Dee Winters for the starting spot.

I think it's very possible depending on how he looks. I think at a min, he will take dees job before the season is over.

I think it's just a matter of how well Nick picks up the system and executes it. If he does what he did at OSU - there is a good chance he takes the spot from the beginning. Also, his health. Lol

I agree, he has a big chance of beating him out in TC. Also as you mentioned his health is probably better already lol...

I think the main thing is - they want someone to play the position like dre did - fierce, fast, violent. If Nick can display those traits, which he did in college, he will get opportunities to start early

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean Chris Paul jr and Bassa went in the 5th. Not sure I would have thought Martin was the 4th overall LBer in this draft.

we will see!

edit: it's wild that they really didn't even try to move around in this draft.

They did try to move around though. They tried to trade up in the 1st and weren't able to. Luckily they didn't need to.

Most fans didn't think Greenlaw would become the player he did. Hopefully Martin will surprise us. Players picked in this range sometimes exceed expectations because they play with a chip on their shoulder.

I really don't know squat about Martin. But when I heard Greenlaws named called I was hyped. My be only Fropwns was more hyped than me. Got to watch a lot of Greenlaw at Arkansas. I just knew he was going to be stud. Hope the same for Martin

Just for reference. Nfl network had Greenlaw as a 7th rounder or priority FA. Graded as a back or special teamer. The knock on him according to them was his lack of willful aggression. Would only make a living cleaning up tackles. Just shows how little the so called experts really know.