49ers select Nick Martin-LB-Oklahoma State with the 75th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
His 40 time was good, but he has a 2nd gear to chase down WRs

Saleh has a new son, Winters and Bethune might get use to warming the bench / holding his beer.

I know winters had problems missing tackles and stuff but that'll be a good competition . They both fly around

Winters sucks. He can't tackle for s**t and his body is made of glass. There wont be much competition.

Winters is actually great in coverage for an LB. Its the run game where he struggles and his health.

Winters doesn't have it imo. When you see Warner or Greenlaw track down a ball carrier vs Winters its just different. Hopefully they got it right with his kid. We will find out soon enough.

When you mention Warner and Greenlaw, to be honest that's a very high bar.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I like Martin. I just would love to know how SF evaluates the rest of the league and their big boards?

like do they feel he wouldn't be around on day 3 or do they just love him so much that they don't care about value?

If you really like a player, why take the risks that someone else might grab him before you? Tons of players are going higher than projected in mocks, so if you have a high grade on a kid, you don't worry about the rest and just select him. Plenty of teams draft boards look completely different from these mocks that are just guessing.

I mean they said they had a 3rd rd grade on Kittle and didn't take him until the 5th rd because they knew he was gonna be there.

I feel like they don't read the room right and have reached more than any team in the league for yrs.

who's a player that the consensus said was a reach that panned out for us?

I agree with NY. We reach more than most..

And yet somehow we have had success overall, as well as one of the best rosters in the NFL for the past six or seven years, it's almost like the front office knows what they are actually doing better than us guys on the forums...odd, isn't it?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If a team likes a player and he's available when they draft then take him. The idea that he was slotted to go later by someone else doesn't matter. If they waited until round 4 someone else may have grabbed him.

And this is exactly how you draft guys like Trey Sermon and Tyrion Davis Price 3 rounds too soon. And a kicker in the 3rd. Or like someone said a punter over Maxx Crosby.

This regime doesn't learn. There were a pile of good players rated much higher than Nick Martin and Upton Stout.

And if they got taken later big deal. There are plenty of LBers and slot corners available.

It's like this regime loses its mind in the first three rounds.

Just because a team values a player differently than you does not mean they are wrong. Maybe the niners didn't think there were better players available, maybe they are better informed than you are about what they want in a player. The whole "value" conversation is complete conjecture.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If a team likes a player and he's available when they draft then take him. The idea that he was slotted to go later by someone else doesn't matter. If they waited until round 4 someone else may have grabbed him.

And this is exactly how you draft guys like Trey Sermon and Tyrion Davis Price 3 rounds too soon. And a kicker in the 3rd. Or like someone said a punter over Maxx Crosby.

This regime doesn't learn. There were a pile of good players rated much higher than Nick Martin and Upton Stout.

And if they got taken later big deal. There are plenty of LBers and slot corners available.

It's like this regime loses its mind in the first three rounds.

Just because a team values a player differently than you does not mean they are wrong. Maybe the niners didn't think there were better players available, maybe they are better informed than you are about what they want in a player. The whole "value" conversation is complete conjecture.

We've actually nailed it in the later rounds, of course there's going to be busts but we are probably in the highest echelon of hitting players in rounds 3-7 even udfas. It's the 1st round where we have missed probably more than we should've

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If a team likes a player and he's available when they draft then take him. The idea that he was slotted to go later by someone else doesn't matter. If they waited until round 4 someone else may have grabbed him.

And this is exactly how you draft guys like Trey Sermon and Tyrion Davis Price 3 rounds too soon. And a kicker in the 3rd. Or like someone said a punter over Maxx Crosby.

This regime doesn't learn. There were a pile of good players rated much higher than Nick Martin and Upton Stout.

And if they got taken later big deal. There are plenty of LBers and slot corners available.

It's like this regime loses its mind in the first three rounds.

Just because a team values a player differently than you does not mean they are wrong. Maybe the niners didn't think there were better players available, maybe they are better informed than you are about what they want in a player. The whole "value" conversation is complete conjecture.

We've actually nailed it in the later rounds, of course there's going to be busts but we are probably in the highest echelon of hitting players in rounds 3-7 even udfas. It's the 1st round where we have missed probably more than we should've

I'm all for draft value but i kind of agree if you like a player that much go get him a round early to ensure you get him. No one knows what the 31 other teams are going to do. If everyone went by where a player is slotted to go then you wouldn't see as many "reaches" as we see every year. If you meet with a player pre draft and they embody everything you are looking for in a player you best be assured that player gave that same interview to another team and they may also be targeting him too.

And honestly outside of the first 2-3 rounds the hit rate is horrid. The vast majority will never pan out and only a few will become legitimate stars.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:
And yet somehow we have had success overall, as well as one of the best rosters in the NFL for the past six or seven years, it's almost like the front office knows what they are actually doing better than us guys on the forums...odd, isn't it?

I mean can you name me the success stories we've had as far as legit reaches go? Especially on day 2…it's a short list.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
His 40 time was good, but he has a 2nd gear to chase down WRs

Saleh has a new son, Winters and Bethune might get use to warming the bench / holding his beer.

I know winters had problems missing tackles and stuff but that'll be a good competition . They both fly around

Winters sucks. He can't tackle for s**t and his body is made of glass. There wont be much competition.

Winters is actually great in coverage for an LB. Its the run game where he struggles and his health.

Winters doesn't have it imo. When you see Warner or Greenlaw track down a ball carrier vs Winters its just different. Hopefully they got it right with his kid. We will find out soon enough.

When you mention Warner and Greenlaw, to be honest that's a very high bar.

Of course, but that's the goal. Sometimes you hit, sometime you miss. IMO Winters is a backup. Martin's tape looks good, he's just smallish.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If a team likes a player and he's available when they draft then take him. The idea that he was slotted to go later by someone else doesn't matter. If they waited until round 4 someone else may have grabbed him.

And this is exactly how you draft guys like Trey Sermon and Tyrion Davis Price 3 rounds too soon. And a kicker in the 3rd. Or like someone said a punter over Maxx Crosby.

This regime doesn't learn. There were a pile of good players rated much higher than Nick Martin and Upton Stout.

And if they got taken later big deal. There are plenty of LBers and slot corners available.

It's like this regime loses its mind in the first three rounds.

Just because a team values a player differently than you does not mean they are wrong. Maybe the niners didn't think there were better players available, maybe they are better informed than you are about what they want in a player. The whole "value" conversation is complete conjecture.

FWIW we didn't draft a punter over Maxx Crosby.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Of course, but that's the goal. Sometimes you hit, sometime you miss. IMO Winters is a backup. Martin's tape looks good, he's just smallish.

As long as he's a sound tackler and instinctive in coverage. He's gonna be just fine as a WILL. It was a reach, is what it is. I would prefer they stop going that route in the draft…rarely has it panned out.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
As long as he's a sound tackler and instinctive in coverage. He's gonna be just fine as a WILL. It was a reach, is what it is. I would prefer they stop going that route in the draft…rarely has it panned out.

And nobody can convince me that we couldn't have got him later. Go look at how many LBs went after him

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
As long as he's a sound tackler and instinctive in coverage. He's gonna be just fine as a WILL. It was a reach, is what it is. I would prefer they stop going that route in the draft…rarely has it panned out.

And nobody can convince me that we couldn't have got him later. Go look at how many LBs went after him

I mean Chris Paul jr and Bassa went in the 5th. Not sure I would have thought Martin was the 4th overall LBer in this draft.

we will see!

edit: it's wild that they really didn't even try to move around in this draft.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
As long as he's a sound tackler and instinctive in coverage. He's gonna be just fine as a WILL. It was a reach, is what it is. I would prefer they stop going that route in the draft…rarely has it panned out.

And nobody can convince me that we couldn't have got him later. Go look at how many LBs went after him

I mean Chris Paul jr and Bassa went in the 5th. Not sure I would have thought Martin was the 4th overall LBer in this draft.

we will see!

edit: it's wild that they really didn't even try to move around in this draft.

I thought so too but i'm glad they didn't except i do wish they'd traded up to get the OT (Grant) in the 3rd.

I saw an interview with the Ravens GM who said their strategy is to let the board fall to them and move down if possible. Since the hit rate on draft picks is so low and nobody knows for sure who is going to pan out he (the Ravens GM) thought the best strategy is to simply have more at bats. I agree with this whole heartedly.

I'm ok trading up to go get your guy but those should be far and few between.
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This was a pretty good watch

And so was this. Was it a reach to take him where we did? Yeah; probably. But I can 1000% see why they wanted to make sure they got him. I'm all in on this guy, he's starting this season

Originally posted by miked1978:
I thought so too but i'm glad they didn't except i do wish they'd traded up to get the OT (Grant) in the 3rd.

I saw an interview with the Ravens GM who said their strategy is to let the board fall to them and move down if possible. Since the hit rate on draft picks is so low and nobody knows for sure who is going to pan out he (the Ravens GM) thought the best strategy is to simply have more at bats. I agree with this whole heartedly.

I'm ok trading up to go get your guy but those should be far and few between.
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If they loved guys like Martin and Stout. Move down if possible. Read the room and have a little understanding how other teams value those prospects.

end of the day if they're good players awesome…but SF constantly reaching has played a part into why they're in the spot they are.