49ers select Nick Martin-LB-Oklahoma State with the 75th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I like Martin. I just would love to know how SF evaluates the rest of the league and their big boards?

like do they feel he wouldn't be around on day 3 or do they just love him so much that they don't care about value?

Value based on........unless you have everyones big board, value is subjective.

It was reported that this draft especially would be all over the map relative to " value".

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I like Martin. I just would love to know how SF evaluates the rest of the league and their big boards?

like do they feel he wouldn't be around on day 3 or do they just love him so much that they don't care about value?

Value based on........unless you have everyones big board, value is subjective.

It was reported that this draft especially would be all over the map relative to " value".

A lot of people getting hung up on value. Saleh had a big role in these picks. Trust the process.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I like Martin. I just would love to know how SF evaluates the rest of the league and their big boards?

like do they feel he wouldn't be around on day 3 or do they just love him so much that they don't care about value?

Value based on........unless you have everyones big board, value is subjective.

It was reported that this draft especially would be all over the map relative to " value".

I completely agree. Unless you have inside information, why take even more risk with your draft when you have no clue where other teams have these players on their draft boards? If you like a guy, just take him based on your own board.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
People still called it a reach, especially since we also traded up to select him. Go reread that draft thread where people were whining and repeatedly posting tweets showing mocks and draft boards with him outside of the top 30 prospects. They did the same thing with Ricky last year.

Who cares where someone else has a player on their draft board? It's not like GMs have access to each other's boards, so you can't take the chance that a player will drop to you just because silly mocks didn't have him higher. I don't understand why people are so addicted to mock drafts and big boards, when front office execs don't pay any attention to them.

I mean I don't care about fans whining. He was regarded as a late 1st rd pick in most places.

I care when it consistently fails. Like I said we're taking players consistently rds earlier than projections and for the most part it doesn't work.

You can STILL get those players later in most of these drafts while landing better prospects. Not sure why that's a controversy?

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

FWIW: Dre Greenlaw was considered a 97-spot reach back in 2019
Drafted No. 148
Consensus Big Board No. 245 https://t.co/cBuLnhXMLr

— SFdata9ers???????? (@sfdata9ers) April 26, 2025

All these mocks literally mean nothing. They're just random people's opinions and I highly doubt most of them thoroughly studied and vetted every single player in the draft - you know like an entire team of a ton of employees who's job is to look into every player all the time, everyday. Lol

now I wish we could see other teams draft board, that would be interesting but not apples to apples with how the niners put their board together because it's tailored towards their roster, coaches, scheme, philosophy

I dare them to put up a comprehensive list of their picks verses where the player was actually drafted.

Btw, my comment wasn't meant as an attack on you. I was just speaking generally about "over drafting". Of course it happens in situations but sooo many variables go into it that comparing it to others boards is nearly meaningless unless it's something egregious like taking a 4th rounder in the first, ya know?

Didn't take it as one. Just moreso the people who generate that stuff never reveal their own huge misses.

The 49ers have had some very bad misses. Misses that I think at times the average fan could've seem coming. They also are the most successful team outside of the Chiefs or Eagles for 8 years and for my money, only the Eagles and Ravens have drafted better over that time.

I don't view the day 2 picks in the same light that I view Latu, Sermon, etc. The 2024 draft + having Saleh back in the building give me confidence. Saleh has been a part of two top defenses builds, so if he is signing off on these guys, I'm on board. What will be interesting is the picks on offense.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I like Martin. I just would love to know how SF evaluates the rest of the league and their big boards?

like do they feel he wouldn't be around on day 3 or do they just love him so much that they don't care about value?

If you really like a player, why take the risks that someone else might grab him before you? Tons of players are going higher than projected in mocks, so if you have a high grade on a kid, you don't worry about the rest and just select him. Plenty of teams draft boards look completely different from these mocks that are just guessing.

49ers know very little about "value"

that's how they pick a punter in the 4th round ahead of Max Crosby and CJ Gardner

value absolutely means something and helps you avoid mistakes by reaching but they never seem to learn that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
People still called it a reach, especially since we also traded up to select him. Go reread that draft thread where people were whining and repeatedly posting tweets showing mocks and draft boards with him outside of the top 30 prospects. They did the same thing with Ricky last year.

Who cares where someone else has a player on their draft board? It's not like GMs have access to each other's boards, so you can't take the chance that a player will drop to you just because silly mocks didn't have him higher. I don't understand why people are so addicted to mock drafts and big boards, when front office execs don't pay any attention to them.

I mean I don't care about fans whining. He was regarded as a late 1st rd pick in most places.

I care when it consistently fails. Like I said we're taking players consistently rds earlier than projections and for the most part it doesn't work.

You can STILL get those players later in most of these drafts while landing better prospects. Not sure why that's a controversy?

If a team likes a player and he's available when they draft then take him. The idea that he was slotted to go later by someone else doesn't matter. If they waited until round 4 someone else may have grabbed him.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I like Martin. I just would love to know how SF evaluates the rest of the league and their big boards?

like do they feel he wouldn't be around on day 3 or do they just love him so much that they don't care about value?

Value based on........unless you have everyones big board, value is subjective.

It was reported that this draft especially would be all over the map relative to " value".

So what SF just constantly overdrafts players (more than anyone), who for the most part fail and you don't want to change that up a little?

go look at our tendency on day 2 and why for a good portion of this regime unless they're looked at as values or projected correctly…they've busted.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If a team likes a player and he's available when they draft then take him. The idea that he was slotted to go later by someone else doesn't matter. If they waited until round 4 someone else may have grabbed him.

So why did SF wait until the 5th rd to draft Kittle? They had a 3rd rd grade on him.

You can "like" a player and understand that there's value elsewhere AND you can still get that player later.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If a team likes a player and he's available when they draft then take him. The idea that he was slotted to go later by someone else doesn't matter. If they waited until round 4 someone else may have grabbed him.

So why did SF wait until the 5th rd to draft Kittle? They had a 3rd rd grade on him.

You can "like" a player and understand that there's value elsewhere AND you can still get that player later.

probably because they had higher grades on guys they drafted earlier

most guys they draft even in 7th round who they go after in FA will have 3-5th round grades . Teams big boards typically only have 100-200 or so players because many players are not a need or a scheme fit

Originally posted by 49ersvsPackers:
How do you guys like your draft so far?

I give it a B.

I like every pick so far but maybe not where we picked them.

How about your Packers? You guys keep adding WRs. Whose getting cut lol?

We are drafting some young football players. These guys are field dawgz! I don't care about measurable I want athletic football players with work ethic on our team.

Improvement from taking a kicker

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If a team likes a player and he's available when they draft then take him. The idea that he was slotted to go later by someone else doesn't matter. If they waited until round 4 someone else may have grabbed him.

And this is exactly how you draft guys like Trey Sermon and Tyrion Davis Price 3 rounds too soon. And a kicker in the 3rd. Or like someone said a punter over Maxx Crosby.

This regime doesn't learn. There were a pile of good players rated much higher than Nick Martin and Upton Stout.

And if they got taken later big deal. There are plenty of LBers and slot corners available.

It's like this regime loses its mind in the first three rounds.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
49ers know very little about "value"

that's how they pick a punter in the 4th round ahead of Max Crosby and CJ Gardner

value absolutely means something and helps you avoid mistakes by reaching but they never seem to learn that.

For me I don't dislike any of their picks. The Williams pick is great imo. Also wasn't a reach.

You can have high grades on a prospect and also understand where he's projected to go…they did it with Kittle.

sometimes they can't get out of their own way. They got a million day 3 picks and are drafting a LBer that's overall graded as a day 3 pick in the top 75. Same at CB.

hopefully this yr is different and the reaching pans out….history shows it's been mostly a disaster.